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I've made a huge mistake...

The OP of I've made a huge mistake... thread
requested its deletion, however he brought up some interesting points.

Feel free to continue discussing the issues if you like.

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Most of the interesting points were made by others surely. No longer available to consider of course.
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The OP of I've made a huge mistake... thread
requested its deletion, however he brought up some interesting points.

Feel free to continue discussing the issues if you like.

Stephen
it's strange.
i still think that the OP should not have the rights to delete a thread, which contains contributions of many others
Is it possible that once requested, only messages of OP are deleted while others are remained?
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These situations can be difficult and best left to the mods.
Its unfortunate if you put a lot of effort and thought into a reply and it then disappears but that`s life,
If you only deleted the OP contributions it would leave the post without context .
I`m all too familiar with drafts being struck through .There was a time when I drafted for UK members of parliament including the PM (before age overtook me).
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Can anyone refresh me as to what this thread was about? Did I miss anything?
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Can anyone refresh me as to what this thread was about? Did I miss anything?
Buyers remorse after extreme case of GAS, exacerbated by it involving expensive new Leica gear, an M-A and an APO Summicron 50mm.
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The OP of I've made a huge mistake... thread
requested its deletion, however he brought up some interesting points.

Feel free to continue discussing the issues if you like.

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?!?

Surely in this day and age posting to an online forum is not without consequences. Ironic to read that others here also frequent other similar forums (and called this out) A simple name change and another forum post ... innocuous as it appears. Seems the same poster has not requested same elsewhere.

We all make mistakes (we regret) some do not have the opportunity to “request deletion” and hope it’s all blows away ...

I for one do not like to see (or) read about the mistiming of an individual misadventure.

Posters here too have been dealt an injustice.
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Reddit only removes the identity of the poster without removing the post. It seems a fair compromise.
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Why did the original poster have buyer's remorse? What was wrong with the M-A and 50 APO?
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Why did the original poster have buyer's remorse? What was wrong with the M-A and 50 APO?
They cost a lot ... or something
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Why did the original poster have buyer's remorse? What was wrong with the M-A and 50 APO?
For 10 years, the OP wanted a new Leica camera and lens. He splurged on an M-A and 50 APO, brand new.

Upon reflection, he feels the 50 APO lens is too expensive and is not the kind of lens he really wants. He really wants a lens that is more suited for portrait work.

Then, the total cost of the M-A and lens is $14,000, and he doesn't believe he can comfortably carry around such valuable photography gear.

Replies ran both ways: send the camera and lens back and get something cheaper, or, keep them both and be proud. Then there were the half-and-half replies: keep the M-A, return the lens and get a "lens of replier's choice." And a few replies that could be construed as critical of the OP and anyone who posts buyer's remorse on forums.
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Why did the original poster have buyer's remorse? What was wrong with the M-A and 50 APO?
He claims he impulsively spent way more money than he ever dreamed of.
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....Replies ran both ways: send the camera and lens back and get something cheaper, or, keep them both and be proud. Then there were the half-and-half replies: keep the M-A, return the lens and get a "lens of replier's choice." And a few replies that could be construed as critical of the OP and anyone who posts buyer's remorse on forums.
Thanks for the summary. I can guess how some of the posts probably went. I think this must be the same poster who has been asking a lot of (half-informed) questions about the M-A and various lenses over on the other popular forum. I'm not very surprised by the outcome – the narrative always had a whiff of a slow motion car crash in progress.
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I think this must be the same poster who has been asking a lot of (half-informed) questions about the M-A and various lenses over on the other popular forum. I'm not very surprised by the outcome – the narrative always had a whiff of a slow motion car crash in progress.

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Labeling as trolling is lovely?
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What does this mean?
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BTW I don't think there were any personal attacks towards the OP. Just a lively discussion.
I can certainly think of one that stood out in that way.
But, you’re right, overall they were mostly helpful, or tried to be helpful.
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Okay, that seems fair. People have different thresholds of what they deem 'acceptable' for expenditure and walking around. It's a matter of what you're used to, and whether you worked your way up there, or if it was a crazy anomaly. There's no such thing as a mistake unless you've spent way more than you can afford.

When I bought the M9, it was the single most expensive thing I'd ever bought, but heck, I carried it everywhere and still do, often with lenses totalling near the cost of the camera again. About a year before the M9, I bough the Canon 5D Mark II, which was a big jump in price from the sub-thousand dollar digital compacts I bought in the past. But darn, I carried that thing every day, until I caught the Leica bug.

As for a M-A and APO Summicron: a brand new M-A should be your camera for life. You should never need to buy another film camera, barring theft, accidental destruction, or a change in photographic direction. The APO Summicron is an incredible lens, but if you want a 50 for portraiture, might I suggest the gorgeous Zeiss C Sonnar 50mm f1.5 (optimized for f1.5) or the Voigtlander 50mm f1.2. Both are sharp wide open, but have a lovely 'rounded' look which is very pleasing and flattering in portraits. The Sonnar is my favourite portrait 50, moreso than the Summicron-M. Yeah, I've taken some great portraits with the Summicron, but the Sonnar is just smooth and lush with faces. You can easily sell the APO Summicron and recoup a good chunk of your money, and get a secondhand Zeiss C Sonnar, a Voigtlander 40mm Nokton and a Zeiss Distagon 35mm f1.4 with what's left. All three produce super portrait images when handled right. See relevant threads in the appropriate RFF subforums.
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Sherlock Holmes would trace back the request for deletion to EddieJ's post....


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Surely in this day and age posting to an online forum is not without consequences. Ironic to read that others here also frequent other similar forums (and called this out) A simple name change and another forum post ... innocuous as it appears. Seems the same poster has not requested same elsewhere.

We all make mistakes (we regret) some do not have the opportunity to “request deletion” and hope it’s all blows away ...

I for one do not like to see (or) read about the mistiming of an individual misadventure.

Posters here too have been dealt an injustice.
Let's see if the OP posts again, and again, asks for deletion of his post using whatever handle. I suggest 'Regret'.

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I’ll try one more time.

In original thread OP was accused for trolling by several rffefers.
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I was unsure what the OP expected from his thread. I did not say much in my post other than I would return what he bought if that was possible.
Different individuals have different wishes.
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I feel like I missed out on something, like an outsider who arrived too late to the party.
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The almost religious fervour of almost fanatical love of all things Leica, stating his feelings of not happy! Deleting the post was grossly unfair to all the replies..
Why in all the years the OP never tried any old M with any old 50mm?
A way cheaper dip in the sacred pool..
I have on occasion advised either for or against a Leica M Rfdr for a newbie.
It's not for everyone.
IMHO i like my M3 and really old 50mm..
I hate look of aspheric lenses..

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?!?

Surely in this day and age posting to an online forum is not without consequences. Ironic to read that others here also frequent other similar forums (and called this out) A simple name change and another forum post ... innocuous as it appears. Seems the same poster has not requested same elsewhere.

We all make mistakes (we regret) some do not have the opportunity to “request deletion” and hope it’s all blows away ...

I for one do not like to see (or) read about the mistiming of an individual misadventure.

Posters here too have been dealt an injustice.
I've been puzzling over this entry: I don't know if it is meant to be critical of the author of the thread, or supportive of him and critical of those who posted in response to his remarks.
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I was unsure what the OP expected from his thread. I did not say much in my post other than I would return what he bought if that was possible.
Different individuals have different wishes.
I thought he was looking for support in resolving his discomfort. It didn't occur to me at the time that it could be a troll.
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The almost religious fervour of almost fanatical love of all things Leica, stating his feelings of not happy! Deleting the post was grossly unfair to all the replies..
Why in all the years the OP never tried any old M with any old 50mm?
A way cheaper dip in the sacred pool..
I have on occasion advised either for or against a Leica M Rfdr for a newbie.
Some people have the less common combination of wanting 'the best' while never having used it before, plus the disposable funds to accomplish that dream. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't.

As I said earlier, nothing is a 'mistake' unless you've bought something you cannot afford. But then, a desire to see things through is also necessary. If I bought a Lamborghini, I'd honestly be overwhelmed by the potential for speed, but I'd hope that I have the intention to learn all about it. For the now deleted OP, maybe he essentially bought a Lamborghini after only owning Toyota Camrys, and didn't have enough desire to learn to drive it effectively.
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There is some interesting analysis here too. Then when this thread is deleted I wonder how the discussion of it will go in the next thread about the huge mistake over the huge mistake over the huge mistake.
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Reddit only removes the identity of the poster without removing the post. It seems a fair compromise.


Agree with that. That way, any info/constructive contribution would remain and help others.

Don't really think deleting post would be a good option.

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I thought he was looking for support in resolving his discomfort. It didn't occur to me at the time that it could be a troll.
Was it determined in the end that it was a troll?
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Makes asking further questions a bit tricky, knowing many are likely to side-step thinking it could be a waste of time replying only to have their response deleted (again).
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Why did the original poster have buyer's remorse? What was wrong with the M-A and 50 APO?
They were to be his first Leica. He reportedly had chosen a 50mm 1.4 asph for good portrait effect and then got caught up in the glam of the 50 APO.

Then the mushrooms wore off.....
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I feel like I missed out on something, like an outsider who arrived too late to the party.
You did, but don't worry, there will always be another one...:-)
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Finally .... a Schrödinger's Thread, after all these years!
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I've been puzzling over this entry: I don't know if it is meant to be critical of the author of the thread, or supportive of him and critical of those who posted in response to his remarks.
Both.
Always a 2 way exchange.
To sides to every coin.
Takes 2 to tango.
Yada, yada, yada ....

In some ways we all have extended ourselves monetarily and/or by performance. The internet as I see it is a wealth of information, some good some not so good.

Today we live in a world of the content creator.

We filter according to our cultural bias.

I recall the time when we would go the public library use microfiche and call cards to seek out a/the book/periodical gather the required information and read, gather the evidence, write notes before speaking. Or seek the advice of a mentor, someone knowledgeable in the area, dare I say it a master craftsmen (in our case photography).

Today’s filter is Google. Unfortunately everyone is in a hurry, Insta likes, YT subs, Patreon supports, followers/following etc etc.

So as I posted. If one reaches out to admit a mistake, a possible failing, buyers remorse ..... then one should be prepared to accept and/or be eloquent in their response. Be it posted and even requested deletion by the mods.

The written word is mightier than the sword.

In the digital age our footprint is always there. Once posted it cannot be deleted.

In the end a/the mistake is made so we can better ourselves. This is where the learning takes place. To share the mistake *online and then hide behind the keyboard is like tantamount to the boy that cried wolf.
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Unless I've made a huge mistake... the OP ended up with the 50 Lux ASPH and the 50 APO, then invited everyone to "flame away".
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Was it determined in the end that it was a troll?
No, I don't think so. I'm not quite sure why it would be a troll, but looking back on it, maybe it borders on absurd that someone would drop that kind of money on a first Leica experience--especially since he's a portrait photographer, not a dentist, lawyer, or heart surgeon. I could see that possibility, that he just made it up. It didn't seem that way at the time, though. I took him seriously.
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Finally .... a Schrödinger's Thread, after all these years!
You mean Schrodinger's cat? So he is both a troll and not a troll, until we look to see which he is? But wouldn't he have to be a very small particle for that?
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Unless I've made a huge mistake... the OP ended up with the 50 Lux ASPH and the 50 APO, then invited everyone to "flame away".

TBH I can imagine owning the 50 Lux and 50 APO, although I don't, and would consider owning both a little superfluous. But that's me, I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone owning anything, as long as it doesn't harm anyone, including themselves. Flame away? That sounds a little odd.


Dropping that much money on a first Leica does seem unusual, but as I said earlier, some people have the fairly uncommon combination of a desire to own the best and the disposable cash to get it. I spent the price of a decent secondhand car on my RF gear, although my savings took a massive hit to make that happen. Proportionately, it was out of my range of affordability, but my M9 and lenses have given me endless joy and some professional return over the last nine years. Can the OP say that about his M-A and lenses? Only time will tell, unless they were trolling us.
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