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Gave up on the X-Pro 2...
Old 09-14-2017   #1
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Gave up on the X-Pro 2...

I feel it's a great camera designwise. I have to say all the bad things I've read about the "watercolor effect" on foliage are true. I kind of wrote it off when I read about about it... When I started seeing something that didn't look right in my images I started in investigate. Although it doesn't happen all the time it's pretty unpredictable actually depending on the light, lens, aperture... I tried many different RAW processors; some were better than others but at the end of the day the effect is still there. I 100% believe this is because of the X-Trans sensor and the way it handles moire. If they had just kept with the CMOS sensor like in the old X100 and in the GFX there is no way I would get rid of this camera. This is Fuji trying to be "different" and all their marketing tactics ... Sucks cause they really know how to design a camera and make some really good little lenses. I only had the camera for a little over a year. It was meant to be a replacement for my big bulky Nikon D800E as I have a Leica M9. I'm moving to the dark side with the Sony A7r II... not perfect by any stretch, but the image quality is right there with the M9 with native Zeiss glass it's hard to overlook now which I did in the past.
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Perhaps the new Nikon will be more to your preference.

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So many choices...and the Sony A7r III will even be better...
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Some people appear to see it, some people don't. Many, many landscape photographers using that X-Tran sensor with great satisfaction.

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Perhaps the new Nikon will be more to your preference.

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I'm done with bulky cameras really even though the D850 looks like...
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So many choices...and the Sony A7r III will even be better...
I'm sure, but the price will probably be 3K + Sony had a good promo and trade in deal it worked out for me. I'm happy with my decision.
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Some people appear to see it, some people don't. Many, many landscape photographers using that X-Tran sensor with great satisfaction.

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I know, but once you see it.... it starts to bother the hell out of me unfortunately... I shoot a range of everything...
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I tired it... Still there a bit better but still there...
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I had come to grips with the "schmear" on my XP1 and was looking forward to an increased IQ with the 2. I found it more noise ridden and sent it back for that reason. by the time the noise was suppressed the gain in resolution was negated. I'm going to try Capture One again to see if they've got the Xtrans thing down. If they do (My wife has the X-T2) then I'll consider it again.
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I'm done with bulky cameras really even though the D850 looks like...
Rumors speak of a mirror-less Nikon focused way up market from the Nikon 1. I agree on bulky cameras.

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Rumors speak of a mirror-less Nikon focused way up market from the Nikon 1. I agree on bulky cameras.

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Yes, I've read that... I feel based on the lens specs it will probably be m4/3
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Yes, I've read that... I feel based on the lens specs it will probably be m4/3
I haven't looked that deep. While I'm hoping it will be F mount and FullFrame, my pocketbook is not full enough these days for what it will probably cost.

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I haven't looked that deep. While I'm hoping it will be F mount and FullFrame, my pocketbook is not full enough these days for what it will probably cost.

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The lens specs were on NikonRumors I believe not sure how legit it is... only time will tell... I will be shocked if they good with a full frame mirrorless really... I don't think they have a guts to do it..
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I've been saying that XTrans is a massive failure for years but everybody always gave me a bunch of crap about it. CLEARLY Nikon, Pentax, Canon, & Sony have been able to design pro and semi pro APS-C cameras w/o having to worry about Moire. But suddenly Fuji tries to design a sensor that mitigates a non-problem, and makes detail rendition WORSE. True you can use other processors for RAW images, but for a professional workflow this is not an option.

Plus Fuji's line up really just reveals the fact that 24x36 sensors are the best all-rounder solution for high quality imaging. The GFX is nice, but the D850, A7RII, are pretty much just a nice with a lot of other advantages.

Fuji, designs fab cams, fab lenses, great films, but with fatal and inexplicable flaws. I think their best effort is the X100 series. Those do a lot right, and can be forgiven for not being FF.
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I've been saying that XTrans is a massive failure for years but everybody always gave me a bunch of crap about it. CLEARLY Nikon, Pentax, Canon, & Sony have been able to design pro and semi pro APS-C cameras w/o having to worry about Moire. But suddenly Fuji tries to design a sensor that mitigates a non-problem, and makes detail rendition WORSE. True you can use other processors for RAW images, but for a professional workflow this is not an option.

Plus Fuji's line up really just reveals the fact that 24x36 sensors are the best all-rounder solution for high quality imaging. The GFX is nice, but the D850, A7RII, are pretty much just a nice with a lot of other advantages.

Fuji, designs fab cams, fab lenses, great films, but with fatal and inexplicable flaws. I think their best effort is the X100 series. Those do a lot right, and can be forgiven for not being FF.
I'm agreeing with you 100% here.... X-Trans is a massive misconception unfortunately..
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boring photos can definitely make you feel like it's the cameras fault. improving skillset is a more valuable investment.
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boring photos can definitely make you feel like it's the cameras fault. improving skillset is a more valuable investment.

Define boring? "Boring" photographs are the most interesting photographs... Obviously its not the cameras fault... but if image quality is not up to your standard which everyone has a different standard or course... its not inspiring to me... I've photographed with all types of cameras in the past... from Holgas to Digital Hasselblads... I don't switch cameras that often at all... My kit is rather small... Inspiration comes from many places be it looking at other people's work to the equipment you use to create with... Every time I pick up that M9 I'm inspired to make images...
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i'm glad that i have low standards...
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I love mine, but if it isn't doing it for you and your style of photography, then you should change. Anyone giving him a hard time would do the same.
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i'm glad that i have low standards...
Funny, that's what my wife said.....

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I love mine, but if it isn't doing it for you and your style of photography, then you should change. Anyone giving him a hard time would do the same.

I like my Fuji as well but it's only a XPro 1, with digital there's alway's
something we could complain about distortion here, color there. When
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I still like the Fuji system a lot.
Relying largely on jpegs out of the camera these days.
Converting RAW is a time consuming hassle for the 90% + of my images that are never printed.
If I'm doing something destined for paper I use MF film or My canons.
The Fuji has great lenses and a super form factor.
Uploading gorgeous jpegs quickly to mobile makes it go for me.

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fuji 24mp landscape photos printed on 17x22 inch paper look good to me. where does this become a problem?
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aizan, sometimes the foliage looks really strange and is difficult to fix.
I also have had trouble with red tones but no more than other digital systems. (yes, like roses).
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fuji 24mp landscape photos printed on 17x22 inch paper look good to me. where does this become a problem?
Textured surfaces, foliage in certain types of light... mostly contrasty light
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i have committed myself to fuji for awhile now and barring some really bad move on fuji's part, i plan on staying with them.
love the lenses and the xe line and the new xe3 seems made for me...i could not be more pleased.
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I love mine, but if it isn't doing it for you and your style of photography, then you should change. Anyone giving him a hard time would do the same.
All good! Of course seriously who wouldn't... I happy with my decision no regrets whatsoever... Sony/Zeiss is delivering for me.
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And I always thought I was the only one
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And I always thought I was the only one
Low/ high standards... Just keep on photographing
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Wonder if Fuji is working with firmware update to fix this? They usually react when such issues arise on interwebs.
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Wonder if Fuji is working with firmware update to fix this? They usually react when such issues arise on interwebs.
Ah I kinda doubt it... I don't think this is a firmware thing at all... This is a sensor thing..that's been there in varying degrees ever since the first X-Trans sensor
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i have committed myself to fuji for awhile now and barring some really bad move on fuji's part, i plan on staying with them.
love the lenses and the xe line and the new xe3 seems made for me...i could not be more pleased.
What a disappointment to read this. I have been hoping to hear that you were picking up film photography again and thought that, perhaps, revelations such as this thread would move you along! Digital is easy, convenient and even essential to some sorts of photography today, but of all the exaggerated products out there claiming to be the future of photography Fuji has the biggest hype going.

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i'm glad that i have low standards...
Me too. My XP2 and 14/23/35/50 kit is exactly the right digital DV system for me.
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This is one issue that has held me from jumping into the Fuji system (well that and my reticence to buy a whole new system). Even though the lenses and the camera handling are undeniably great, I haven't taken the plunge. After playing with the Sony A7 and A7II for a year or so I ditched my Nikon gear and happily won't look back at DSLR's or big bully cameras (unless the sensors are HUGE). While I don't love the camera handling of the Sonys the files are really nice, and the native glass is really good. And with the Leica lenses they are tiny. I can get by quite well with manual focus for 99% of my work, even with these cameras and most adapted lenses, so I can play with collection of cool old glass from several systems and still have the full frame with angles of coverage and D.O.F. characteristics that I'm used to, and that was the other big decision maker in my mind.

I'm still hoping for a really good, small digital from Nikon or a move to fix the moire issues from Fuji, or for Sony to start making their cameras handle like cameras rather than electronic gadgets, but in the meantime I shoot with what I have and can tolerate. As long as my standards are low enough, I can be happy.
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Apples to oranges, comparing Fuji X to Sony E-mount (with Zeiss glass). Two very different small format systems with different strengths and weaknesses.

One of the perverse aspects of gear discussion is the apparent need to lay negative claims at the feet of brands one didn't choose to keep/use, often exaggerating the perceived fault(s).

OP: I'm glad you like your Sony cam and Z lenses. I respect your opinion regarding Fuji X files. X-Trans watercolor effect isn't exactly new news. Plenty of water over that dam, and long-term Fuji users have long since sussed out how to deal with it.
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Wonder if Fuji is working with firmware update to fix this? They usually react when such issues arise on interwebs.
It is an artifact of the X-Trans sensor, not something a firmware update can address. Some RAW converters handle it better than others. Some photographers are more sensitive to it than others. Some photographers have read about it on the web and go looking for it. The power of suggestion is strong, particularly at high magnifications. Film users would be horrified if they pixel-peeped to the same extent - grain clumps and dye clouds.
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Apples to oranges, comparing Fuji X to Sony E-mount (with Zeiss glass). Two very different small format systems with different strengths and weaknesses.

One of the perverse aspects of gear discussion is the apparent need to lay negative claims at the feet of brands one didn't choose to keep/use.

OP: I'm glad you like your Sony cam and Z lenses. I respect your opinion regarding Fuji X files. X-Trans watercolor effect isn't exactly new news. Plenty of water over that dam, and long-term Fuji users have long since sussed out how to deal with it.
I just posted my experience I thought that's the whole point of threads...? I know its not new news or anything... Yes, I've heard about the Fuji stigma for awhile overlooked it didn't see it in the samples before I purchased... Then I experienced it and confirmed what folks have been talking about in the past... It might be helpful to someone else..
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I struggled with the same issue on the older 16mp sensor and ended up testing every RAW convertor I could find with lackluster results. Having read claims of the issue being resolved or minimized on the newer 24mp models, my interest was renewed; so much so that I was considering a the X-E3 when it releases.

Thanks for the post 35photo - the credit card is safely stowed back in the wallet for now.
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