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Vignetting nikkor 24 2.8
Old 03-15-2017   #1
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Vignetting nikkor 24 2.8

I'm experiencing strong vignetting from f8 down with an original 24mm 2.8 lens. I'm using a standard (jessops) 5mm thick filter and dedicated HN-1 hood. I'm wondering if the Nikon L37 filter will reduce the problem presuming it's thinner in depth. Any other users out there willing to share any experiences/solutions?

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Old 03-15-2017   #2
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Does it vignette without the filter but still using the hood?
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I've seen no vignetting with this lens and the HN-1 hood, but haven't used it with a filter yet. You may want to try it with a thinner filter, but some of them (like Hoya) might not have threads to attach the hood.
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5mm thick? That's enough to stop a bullet, including the one that tore through jim_jm's Leica!
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5mm thick? That's enough to stop a bullet, including the one that tore through jim_jm's Leica!
Ha! I was referring to the ring not the glass.
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I've seen no vignetting with this lens and the HN-1 hood, but haven't used it with a filter yet. You may want to try it with a thinner filter, but some of them (like Hoya) might not have threads to attach the hood.
My environment is not conducive to having no filter and the front element is quite exposed without. Will try to find a thinner example. Any one know the correct pitch of the threads?
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Any regular 52 mm filter will work - just less than 5mm thick. I've never had the problem you describe but then never used such a thick filter.
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Any regular 52 mm filter will work - just less than 5mm thick. I've never had the problem you describe but then never used such a thick filter.
That's what I thought. It just happened to come attached with the lens. I'll try a thinner one. Any ideas on thread pitch?
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I have noticed corner vignetting when shooting skies with a filter and the HN-1 hood. No vignetting with either the filter or the hood alone. All my quicks tests were done at f8 on a late model non-AI version, but it is the later NC multi-coated version. I believe all are the same optically.


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I have one Nikon 52mm filter. The ring of it is 3.9mm thick.
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5mm thick? That's enough to stop a bullet, including the one that tore through jim_jm's Leica!
That's actually a Nikon F, surprisingly they are not 100% bulletproof as some might believe.

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I have one Nikon 52mm filter. The ring of it is 3.9mm thick.
This should negate the problem. Do you have the model number?
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I have noticed corner vignetting when shooting skies with a filter and the HN-1 hood. No vignetting with either the filter or the hood alone. All my quicks tests were done at f8 on a late model non-AI version, but it is the later NC multi-coated version. I believe all are the same optically.


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Yes, mine is also a late NC with scalloped focus ring. I''m currently using it without the hood as a test.
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My Nikkor 24/2.8, #572430, with a L1A filter on front and hood has never shown any of your problems that you talk about.
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My Nikkor 24/2.8, #572430, with a L1A filter on front and hood has never shown any of your problems that you talk about.
Is that a 5mm deep ring on the L1A?
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Is that a 5mm deep ring on the L1A?
Overall depth measurement with thread: 6.24 mm
Ring depth without threaded portion: 3.77 mm
Also lots of times I use the Nikon Rubber Hood to, as it is shallow and 3 inch wide.
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Overall depth measurement with thread: 6.24 mm
Ring depth without threaded portion: 3.77 mm
Also lots of times I use the Nikon Rubber Hood to, as it is shallow and 3 inch wide.
Thank you very much. It seems I need a La1 or similar then as my filter is 5mm without the thread.
Just to confirm, have you been using the Hn-1 hood with the La1?
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Thank you very much. It seems I need a La1 or similar then as my filter is 5mm without the thread.
Just to confirm, have you been using the Hn-1 hood with the La1?
Yes I have, but lots of times the rubber one is in the bag already.
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Yes I have, but lots of times the rubber one is in the bag already.
Excellent, thank you for your help.
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There is no particular model / catalog number on Nikon filters. Just the color designation.

These filter rings seem to vary all over the place. I checked the odd collection of 52mm filters I have. The thinnest is a Petri with a 2.5mm thick ring, but no threads on the outside to accept a screw in hood. An unnamed Japanese filter at 4.4mm, but another one at 5.0mm. A Tiffen filter measured in at 5.5mm.

The thickest filter I could find at about this size is a Canon 55mm filter - 5.7mm.
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Megido, could you post the serial # on your lens? Not all 24/2.8 Nikkors take that hood #.
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Yes, mine is also a late NC with scalloped focus ring. I''m currently using it without the hood as a test.
I see now were you have the "NC" lens. I noticed on Nikon's site for this lens that the L37c Black Rim is called for in filter use. I might add, that I have the L37c on my 28/2 which takes the same hood as the 24. The measurements on the L37c are exactly the same I gave you above on the L1A filter.
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Megido, could you post the serial # on your lens? Not all 24/2.8 Nikkors take that hood #.
Certainly. # 383881
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Certainly. # 383881
Thank You, but I figured it out very close when I went back and read that you had a earlier style lens. Also, I did read on their site too; that in some cases where the filter is too thick it could push the hood out that little bit further to vigneting. Having that much thicker filter in your case adds up to maybe the problem?
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My guess is yes. I've had a Nikon filter on from the day I got the lens, along with the standard Nikon metal hood and no vignetting that I've noticed.

My read is that the distance you care about is more to the total front to back without internal as that is where the lens hood will stop.

Thin is much better, provided they are strong. I just have purchased Nikon filters over the years and never had problems.

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My guess is yes. I've had a Nikon filter on from the day I got the lens, along with the standard Nikon metal hood and no vignetting that I've noticed.

My read is that the distance you care about is more to the total front to back without internal as that is where the lens hood will stop.

Thin is much better, provided they are strong. I just have purchased Nikon filters over the years and never had problems.

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Thank you all. I will purchase a L1A or L37 filter and report back.
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