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The insanity of instant gratification
Old 12-31-2017   #1
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The insanity of instant gratification

I happened to obtain an Olympus OMD EM10-mkii at an offer to good to refuse. But the lens that came with it - an SLR Magic 50 t0.95 - is comically big given the size of the camera. I wanted something small, proportional to the Olympus otherwise what was the point of M4/3?
But as I'm cheap, I didn't want to spend much. I've already had great experience with 7Artisan lenses - their 50 1.1 is genuinely fantastic - so I looked at them. They have a 25mm 1.8 m4/3 lens for $70. This lens is rebadged by quite a few brands so I don't even know if 7Artisans is the actual mfg. Butt still, I like the cut of their jib so looked where to order one.
ebay - $75+, shipping from China. There are some 'local' vendors but looking at the delivery timeframe, it's obvious they are drop shipping them from China too.
I checked Amazon... It was Sunday morning when I did this. They have it in stock with same freakin day delivery! On a Sunday! Dood, no wonder this is destroying the regular retail industry. I was working all day so it was a pleasant respite to hear that knock on my door in the early evening, and there was my new lens.
The lens is really nice. Again shocking given the price. Pixel peeping at 1.8 shows it's worth every penny, no matter who actually made it. Very nice build, smoooth focusing and smooth clickless aperture ring. Enough weighting so it won't accidentally move. Perfect size for the Olympus and it looks great on it.
Came in a nice box, better foam packaging/protection than Nikon provides for their $3300 D850...

Gonna sell on the SLR Magic lens, this is how M4/3 gear should handle!

Back to my point. I wanted it now, Amazon enabled that ridiculous compulsive behaviour. For better or for worse.
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Old 12-31-2017   #2
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nice when a plan come together.
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Intraday delivery... they must have a warehouse near your home.
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Same day Prime delivery is very spooky.

But it will be very weird when, in the not too distant future, you send Amazon an smartphone image of where you want the drone to drop off a same day delivery on your property.
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Old 01-01-2018   #5
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We had that before. They called them 'camera stores.'
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We had that before. They called them 'camera stores.'
Not only did they not have them in stock, they don't carry that product and they don't deliver (I was working and could not get away).

So, no.
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We had that before. They called them 'camera stores.'
But you had to get out of your pajamas.
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Not only did they not have them in stock, they don't carry that product and they don't deliver (I was working and could not get away).

So, no.
I didn't say there were any more camera stores today.

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We had that before. They called them 'camera stores.'
Not around here anymore.
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"Back to my point. I wanted it now, Amazon enabled that ridiculous compulsive behaviour. For better or for worse."

Its the story of our culture and it has become far, far, far worse in the last decade. Not just Amazon and eBay etc influencing buying behavior but in other, far more invidious ways too. We constantly see moral panics washing over society catalyzed by Facebook, Twitter et al.

Someone says or does something that may or may not be problematic (or is alleged to have done so) and there is a twitterstorm with millions of people virtue signalling by denouncing them and dumping on them. That many of these people are brainless and would not know how to pour pee out of a boot without the instructions being written on the boot sole, does not figure in the equation. They are seeking the instant gratification of a moral outrage "fix" by virtue signalling to their "friends" (i.e. In reality, Facebook friends who are actually strangers, not friends at all.)

And of course that this is also being stirred up and utilized by demagogues who use it to promote their own ideological position does not help. It all feels to me what I have read about Chairman Mao's Cultural Revolution in 1966-1976 when, stirred up and authorized by the elites, people were hounded, denounced, brought before kangaroo courts and punished - all done supported by the ignorance of teenagers who wanted to be part of it simply because the victims were member of a class or said something that opened them to attack providing the ideologically addled with a target. Except now we are much more efficient and do it on a global scale using technology. We don't have "people's courts", we have twitterstorms.

We live in weird and disturbing times. Little wonder some of us prefer to view the world through a viewfinder. It gives us the ability to pretend that we are not part of the insanity.
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...We live in weird and disturbing times...
Shure we do.
Nice to order what you want and get it instant.
And then?
Where to invest the "saved" time? Next order?

Questions..

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Next step will be to own a printer that will start printing the item the minute you order it.
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Next step will be to own a printer that will start printing the item the minute you order it.
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Consumers having their orders filled quickly and easily is hardly 'weird or disturbing.' I find it one of the major benefits of a free market society.

Can't think of anyone who would prefer the rationing, shortages, and wait lines of the Soviet Union...or worse yet, the nightmare that is current Venezuela...

The flip side of the same day delivery is the easy returns. Can't mention one without the other...that is a complete offset in case anyone is succumbing to their own 'ridiculous compulsive behavior. '

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That is amazingly fast delivery. People in Hawaii can only imagine something like this :[

To tell the truth, I always liked waiting on something that was ordered. Not too long of course, but a little extra time often gave me time to buy film, chemicals, what not.
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To tell the truth, I always liked waiting on something that was ordered. Not too long of course, but a little extra time often gave me time to buy film, chemicals, what not.
I thought I did too until I heard that knock on my door 5 minutes after I pressed the 'submit' button.
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Consumers having their orders filled quickly and easily is hardly 'weird or disturbing.' I find it one of the major benefits of a free market society.

Can't think of anyone who would prefer the rationing, shortages, and wait lines of the Soviet Union...or worse yet, the nightmare that is current Venezuela...
You live in a very binary world.

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But it will be very weird when, in the not too distant future, you send Amazon an smartphone image of where you want the drone to drop off a same day delivery on your property.
Never going to happen. Obviously it's possible, but it relies on kids not throwing rocks/toilet paper/sausages at the drones or people stealing them to sell them. Which will definitely happen. I saw a video about some sort of six wheeled drone bucket thing that would deliver your parcels to your office etc. The package compartment was locked as though that would stop people from tipping the drone over or pushing it in a ditch or stealing it's tyres. These drone delivery things would only work in a utopia.
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Never going to happen. Obviously it's possible, but it relies on kids not throwing rocks/toilet paper/sausages at the drones or people stealing them to sell them. Which will definitely happen. I saw a video about some sort of six wheeled drone bucket thing that would deliver your parcels to your office etc. The package compartment was locked as though that would stop people from tipping the drone over or pushing it in a ditch or stealing it's tyres. These drone delivery things would only work in a utopia.
Also, liability issues when drones fall on people's heads and property, navigation issues in areas shaded from GPS satellites between buildings, and who wants packages dropped somewhere outside anyway? Only few people have a safe patio or terrace.
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You live in a very binary world.

The flip side of complaining about the benefits of capitalism is extolling the virtues of Marxism
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The flip side of complaining about the benefits of capitalism is extolling the virtues of Marxism
Extremely binary it seems
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Now that I live in Chile, there is no instant anything...unless I buy it at the store.
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bought a shopping cart to replace the broken one. three days or less from China.

good ol Amazon. I tracked the number on the shipping label
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Civilization has been moving toward this for centuries now. Pony Express is replaced by telegraph is replaced by telephone is replaced by email is replaced by facebook..... and on. Mail service is on the brink of collapse, UPS and it's clones are jumping through hoops to give faster and faster service. Not to mention cheaper. I think that the 3D printer idea is just a given any more. I expect to see something of it before I die and I'm 71.
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Mail service is on the brink of collapse, UPS and it's clones are jumping through hoops to give faster and faster service.
United States Postal Service delivered my shipment.
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Mail service is on the brink of collapse, UPS and it's clones are jumping through hoops to give faster and faster service. Not to mention cheaper.
USPS is not on the brink of collapse. It hasn't missed a delivery in my lifetime, and is generally cheaper than FedEx and UPS. It has been losing money for a least a decade, but that just means its low prices are being subsidized by the government. For normal packages, I always use USPS. YMMV.
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The next step will be one delivered on approval after just 3 searches.

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Coming back from China I must say I'm spoiled. Sunday delivery, same day delivery...it's just normal. People do that all the time, for free. You even get real time tracking of the parcel on the phone's map - and phone number of the courier, who will actually answer your call.

We'd better move on guys...
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People do that all the time, for free.
but that's a bit of a problem... because at the end of the day there is no such thing as "free" - it is at somebody's expense...
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It has been losing money for a least a decade, but that just means its low prices are being subsidized by the government.

It's Amazon that is subsidizing a big chunk, and the rest by taxpayers.

Yes, another government entity that should be private.
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Not only did they not have them in stock, they don't carry that product and they don't deliver (I was working and could not get away).

So, no.
i agree. i love the local shop but i have yet to wander in there and find what i'm looking for in stock.
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but that's a bit of a problem... because at the end of the day there is no such thing as "free" - it is at somebody's expense...
B2C giants like JD.com rely on its own courier network - they ship "free" ultimately at the consumers' cost, not unlike Amazon. We can't unsee the country's low wage standard, different working ethnics and fierce competition among service providers contributing to the low cost and extremely efficient (compared to what we have on this side of the pond) shipping - but still, for the millions currently enjoying the service, it just spoils.
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but that's a bit of a problem... because at the end of the day there is no such thing as "free" - it is at somebody's expense...
and part of the price is no more local shops...

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PS And the next time you get something from China or thereabouts calculate the postage for an international delivery. It worries me.
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and part of the price is no more local shops...
When your local shop does not even carry the product, or the only way they can get it is by special ordering it (which you can do yourself), that is not part of the price.
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Good to hear someone has good luck with Amazon. After waiting 10 days for an order from Amazon and the order not even being shipped after 10 days, a nice customer service lady had me cancel that order, re-order with $175 dollar shipping, and then she could change the order to 2 day free shipping. Some of it made it in 2 days, some in 3 days. I'm not finding Amazon that great at actually delivering.
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When your local shop does not even carry the product, or the only way they can get it is by special ordering it (which you can do yourself), that is not part of the price.
Hi,

Well, I think that they never did but they carried a pretty good range of things and kept most people happy. You still needed to go to a specialist for (say) Leica or MF...

And, in those good old days, my local shops might/would have the latest camera and the "kit" standard lens but I had to look around for the better (say f/1.4) lens and the f/1.2's were to order unless I made an expensive trip to the big city. And my local shop carried a cheap and dear range of bits and pieces like lens hoods but never every single make.

These days I blame makers too. I think they want to deal with one or two huge super dealers and ignore the rest. And they make it difficult for the smaller dealers too. Lens hoods are a good case for this discussion, they come in all shapes and sizes and don't just screw in but have to have the lens front modified, and so on. I thinking about my old Fuji X100 as I type this.

There's no reason why the big makers couldn't design things the old way and get the Chinese to supply those nice, cheap lens hoods... And I can think of a lot of other simple ideas that made buying equipment easy for us and easy for the dealers in the good old days.

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Interesting story. Congrats to your new toys.

Instant delivery is something we can here, in rural Germany, only dream of. Here an Amazon "prime" package often needs two days, despite their promise of next day delivery.
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Get with the times boys...i shop using the Wish app...forget ebay
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