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Canon Serenar 85 mm f2 lens
Old 11-09-2007   #1
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Canon Serenar 85 mm f2 lens

arrived today in excellent shape. Includes finder,both original lens caps,and Hood with series 7 adapter. Boy, is this thing heavy! It balances just OK on the 7s but not at all on the M2.It's not anything at all like the satisfying length and weight of the CV 75. Any thought or opinions out there.
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Old 11-09-2007   #2
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I did have one and it is a nice lens. But as you said, it is built like a tank! I now have a CV 75.

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I had the f1.8 Canon version in full chrome body and liked it very much but did not use it as much as I should have due to its great weight. Even so I appreciated the build quality as well as the image quality. Eventually I succumbed to the temptation to buy something else and sold it to finance the purchase it. (The canon 1.8 in chrome attracts a particularly high price., the black and chrome version even moreso.) I still regret the sale.
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These are photos taken wide open with a Canon 85mm/1.9:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4754697


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4745861


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4604279


The 85/1.9 is similar to the 85/2.0.
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Old 11-09-2007   #5
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I had the f1.8 Canon version in full chrome body and liked it very much but did not use it as much as I should have due to its great weight. Even so I appreciated the build quality as well as the image quality. Eventually I succumbed to the temptation to buy something else and sold it to finance the purchase it. (The canon 1.8 in chrome attracts a particularly high price., the black and chrome version even moreso.) I still regret the sale.
Not meaning to be picky, just curious:

I didn't know they made the 1.8 in chrome or chrome/black. Only know of the black
one. The 1.5 came in chrome and chrome/black, the 1.9 in chrome only, or very rarely
in black, the 2.0 in chrome only. You sure it was a 1.8 ?

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Is it heavy like the chrome Nikkor 85/2? How is the performance wide open?

The Canon 85/2 is approximately 3 5/8 inches tall when focused to infinity, while the 85/2 Nikkor is about 2 7/8 inches tall when focused at infinity. The type I Canon as listed on the Canon Camera Museum site weighs 556 grams, while the type II weighs 615 grams. I don't have a scale handy, but the Nikkor feels an ounce or two lighter than the Canon. The somewhat lesser weight of the Nikkor coupled with the significantly shorter total length would make it a lot more comfortable while mounted on the camera (reduced moment arm, IIR my physics-speak correctly).

I preferentially use a Nikkor 85/2 in Contax mount over the Carl Zeiss 85/2 Sonnar in Contax mount because it is somewhat shorter than the Zeiss lens, and while the weights are very close, the Nikkor "feels lighter" due to reduced moment arm.

The performance of the Canon 85/2 wide open is quite good in my opinion, with pleasing OOF rendition characteristic of a well-made Planar design lens.
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I really luv mine (85/2), but you don't want to walk around much w/ it--it's a monster or a "big enchalada".
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Cool Some things balance well

Stick the 8.5cm Nikkor on an M5. Bigfoot hardly notices it is there.

My Nikkor-P 8.5cm 1:2 lens weighs 526 grams or 18.55 ounces on Lisa's digital kitchen scale. 18-9/16 ounces on my beam balance. Add 1 ounce (plus) for the UV filter, step up ring and rubber lens hood. 2-5/16" projection from the body flange. Short and stout. The Canon is at least an inch longer? Lever arm indeed!

The C/V 75/2.5 is a bantam weight by comparison.
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Ferider................Yep I am pretty sure it was a 1.8 . Unless I am going nuts I am sure they made both a 1.9 and a 1.8 in chrome. But the 1.8 is pretty rare hence its high price. But I would not totally discount the nuts theory!

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there is also an f1.9 in black.
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Raid, thanks for the super photos. The ones of Dana are good as usual but the one of your wife is stunning with a wonderful 3D effect and beautiful creamy bokeh! And really sharp, thanks again.
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leica M2 fan , love the thelonius avatar. He looks quite young in this photo.
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there are chrome 85/2 (earliest), (later) 85/1.9 based on the same Planar formula, as well as chrome 85/1.5 which aren't much bigger, and shorter in overall length. The chrome 85/1.5 was followed by a a 85/1.5 with black lower focussing and f-Stop ring of similar outline, the chrome parts beeing not polished. Plus, there was a small series of all black 85/1.9 with a complete different mounting, but same lens design as their predecessor.
The last (and probably best) Canon 85mm was the all black 85/1.8 which was a telephoto construction, noticeable shorter overall length (also much shorter and lighter than contemporary Summicron 90/2), kept in production until the end of the screwmnount period, and also available in FL mount.
I've never seen this particular lens in a chrome version. peterm1, I think you talk about the 85/1.5

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I had the chance to briefly try out Mark's Canon 85mm/1.8 (Black). Without making a print, I was unable to see any differences from my Canon 85mm/1.9. Maybe a larger sized print is needed to detect finer differences.

Here are some photos from the Canon 85mm/1.8:

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=629236

Canon 85/1.8 at 2.0: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4754714
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Raid, thanks for the super photos. The ones of Dana are good as usual but the one of your wife is stunning with a wonderful 3D effect and beautiful creamy bokeh! And really sharp, thanks again.
I may be lucky with my example of the Canon 85mm/1.9, but I bought it this way; super sharp with creamy bokeh that a Sonnar user would envy.
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Old 12-05-2007   #16
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These were taken with my 85mm F2 wide open with my Fuji X-E2.











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Old 10-29-2015   #18
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Hi, the 85/2 is a nice lens! it was really sharp but was too heavy to carry around.
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I had a Canon 85 f/2 around 1981/82 that I used on an M3. Yes, it's heavy. But I've never had any issues with the image quality.

I was in Salzburg Austria in June 1982 and the M3 neck strap broke and the M3 with the Canon 85mm f/2 went down onto some lovely old Salzburg cobblestones. The lens was a total loss but I was very surprised to learn that the M3 was fine. I thought that the M3 lens mount would have been knocked out of alignment but the repair shop said it was fine. As was the M3 rangefinder.

My insurance company paid for the loss so I got the very light Canon 100mm Serenar f/4 in place of the 85mm. A nice lens but I sold it in 1988 or so.

Right now I am looking for a Canon 85mm f/2 to use again. If you have one that you want to get rid of send me a PM.
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I do not mind a bit of weight if l am carrying just one lens and body but in a bag with a few lenses well l'm now in my fifties and weight is a concern, (both me and the cameras l carry)

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I had a Canon 85 f/2 around 1981/82 that I used on an M3. Yes, it's heavy. But I've never had any issues with the image quality.

I was in Salzburg Austria in June 1982 and the M3 neck strap broke and the M3 with the Canon 85mm f/2 went down onto some lovely old Salzburg cobblestones. The lens was a total loss but I was very surprised to learn that the M3 was fine. I thought that the M3 lens mount would have been knocked out of alignment but the repair shop said it was fine. As was the M3 rangefinder.

My insurance company paid for the loss so I got the very light Canon 100mm Serenar f/4 in place of the 85mm. A nice lens but I sold it in 1988 or so.

Right now I am looking for a Canon 85mm f/2 to use again. If you have one that you want to get rid of send me a PM.
A very nice chrome 85mm f/2 came up on ebay. I could not resist and I won the auction - $192 :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Cano...vip=true&rt=nc

Even though the seller says it's mint (how can it be? It's a 1951 or 64 years old). I think that there is a bit of haze inside. No matter - as soon as I get it it's going to Don Goldberg for a cleaning and check-up with a CV 90mm M adapter on it. I plan on using it with my M3.

Early 90mm 'crons are way high as are 85mm f/2 Nikkors in LTM. So even with a CLA by DAG I'm still no where near what the 'crons & Nikkors are selling for and they would need a CLA as well. I hope it's as good as the one I had in 1982.

Oh, I will check my strap this time !
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The 85mm f/2 Serenar is off to Don Goldberg for a CLA along with the Canon 28mm f/3.5 Serenar that I just won on eBay.

I can't wait to get them back and shoot some film with them!
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I had the Canon 85mm f/1.9 II from 1958 in all chrome, and the Canon 85mm f/1.9 in black from 1961. I preferred the chrome model, although it was quite heavy, as noted. I found it very easy to use on my Bessa R.

I tended to use my A. Schacht Ulm Travenar 90mm f/2.8, however. Slower, but lighter and faster to get into use, I found. And I really liked the portraits it rendered. I no longer have any of them, however.
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My 85mm f/2 Serenar weighs 586g without caps,shade or filter. It is heavy. But I like the it rendered portraits when I used one back in 1983. This one dates to about Oct-Nov 1951.

It will be interesting to compare it to my 90mm f/2.8 Tele-Elmarit from 1976.
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The comparison needs to be with the 90mm Summicron, but even that is a bit unfair because the Summicron is a few years newer design. I'll break the suspense. The Summicron blows that Canon 85mm away if you are most interested in sharpness. Canon eventually matched or bettered the Summicron with the 85mm f1.8 and 100mm f2 lenses. That would be a good comparison to the Tele-Elmarit.
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The comparison is fair as they are the two 85/90mm telephotos that I have. It's good to know the difference in the lenses you have so you can choose which lens from your bag to use.

Now if I had a 90mm Summicron I would compare it to the Canon 85mm f/2. But I don't. My Olympus OM 85mm f/2 Zuiko will 'blow it away' and if it's just sharpness I want I'll use it.

I spent quite a bit of time looking at the negatives I took using a Serenar 85mm f/2 back in 1982-1983 and decided to get another one. Why? Because I like the way it renders a picture on B&W film.
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