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Old 05-03-2016   #1
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do you think cameras hang out and ask each other if their owners have soul?

oh wait...cameras don't talk...
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Old 05-03-2016   #2
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There are some living short, hard working lives with the press or paparazzi but their images are flashed around the world and they recieve no credit. The forgotten ones who languish in closets for years and are ocassionaly discovered by someone that values thier worth. Mostly there are the cameras shuffeled around like so many playing cards while we search for just the right one. Do they care?
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I hear mine whispering late at night but they stop when I come in the room. I'm sure they are being critical of me.....
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A camera's greatest longing is to be rescued from the dark bag in which it spends most of its life so it can fulfill its purpose and celebrate the light. When we pull it from that bag, it certainly doesn't criticize us, it worships us as a god!
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I wouldn't know as I only have one! I need to take it on more play dates so it can talk to other cameras. I keep telling my wife that it's lonely but she doesn't listen to me (this might be part of a larger issue of me talking nonsense though).
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Old 05-04-2016   #9
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oh wait...cameras don't talk...
they don't talk but read you and act! They may fail on you, refuse to work, drop and get broken or not, get away by means of being stolen or forgotten.. or happily serve you.
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I know my cameras laugh at me behind my back.
Don't be so sure yours don't do the same...

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Mine are being encouraged to escape...and I think they are plotting a mass break out.
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No, but mine are constantly grouching about the bags in which they reside, and are continually asking about potential new living quarters.
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Cameras find me.
Keep telling yourself that, Frank.

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oh wait...cameras don't talk...
Ummm ... why do you think more and more of them have WiFi?
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The true story of PJ diminishing.

Once upon the time cameras were hanging out at places called the Newspaper. Because some PJ would drop them all together in same box at the end of their shift. And cameras talked to each other how they were neglected and mistreated by PJ. They would say - these PJs have no soul for us, it has to be stopped. Sooner or later decision came. Cameras were able to hide themselves into the phones. And regular people took over cameras from PJs. Now cameras are living happy in the hands of remaining photo enthusiasts and gear collectors.
But those have soul for their cameras. At least this is what I'm trying to tell my cameras by doing CLA.
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Old 05-04-2016   #17
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The only hanging out my cameras do is when they are on the back of my kitchen chair, ready at a moments notice. And I've never owned a Minolta Talker, so they don't make any noise.

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Joe,

I believe inanimate objects can be endowed with life or spirit. I believe my cameras are happy because they are loved, get used, and are treasured. Know they all get expertly maintained. Basically I give them a home and a sense of purpose.

Meanwhile I work with people that lack life or spirit and are like the living dead void of passion or purpose.

Like a musical instrument I do think some cameras can become better, especially ones that are heavily used. I believe an owner can impart some of their own spirit to their belongings. I call this mojo.

I own a Nikon F3P that was once a real press camera that was owned by the Pulitzer prize winning newspaper "Newsday." I have owned this camera for over 15 years, and it was part of history having been in Kuwatt to cover Operation Desert Storm. This is no generic camera that can be replaced, because there is no other camera like it at this point. I deem that my F3P has mojo that gives it character.

I think it is every camera's dream to become an extension of the owner, and in this manner the camera does have a voice. For me some cameras speak to me, while others don't.

If you are a musician you would understand how your instrument has a spirit, and cameras are no different.

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Joe,

I believe inanimate objects can be endowed with life or spirit. I believe my cameras are happy because they are loved, get used, and are treasured. Know they all get expertly maintained. Basically I give them a home and a sense of purpose.

Meanwhile I work with people that lack life or spirit and are like the living dead void of passion or purpose.

Like a musical instrument I do think some cameras can become better, especially ones that are heavily used. I believe an owner can impart some of their own spirit to their belongings. I call this mojo.

I own a Nikon F3P that was once a real press camera that was owned by the Pulitzer prize winning newspaper "Newsday." I have owned this camera for over 15 years, and it was part of history having been in Kuwatt to cover Operation Desert Storm. This is no generic camera that can be replaced, because there is no other camera like it at this point. I deem that my F3P has mojo that gives it character.

I think it is every camera's dream to become an extension of the owner, and in this manner the camera does have a voice. For me some cameras speak to me, while others don't.

If you are a musician you would understand how your instrument has a spirit, and cameras are no different.

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'If you are a musician you would understand how your instrument has a spirit, and cameras are no different.'

hmmm...
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Not quite sure, but often wondered.
Some people have named their cameras, some just call them names. Wonder if it's the cameras that are called names that are the ones that don't to seem to produce the results their owners crave for!
I have enough trouble remembering passwords let alone have names for my cameras. On second thoughts perhaps I have it all the wrong way round - name my cameras and use these names in passwords!
Life gets more complicated, or I get simpler!
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Soul is all in the owner's / user's mind.
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Not quite sure, but often wondered.
Some people have named their cameras, some just call them names. Wonder if it's the cameras that are called names that are the ones that don't to seem to produce the results their owners crave for!
I have enough trouble remembering passwords let alone have names for my cameras. On second thoughts perhaps I have it all the wrong way round - name my cameras and use these names in passwords!
Life gets more complicated, or I get simpler!
Jesse,

The late BB King named his guitar Lucile after a woman who was fought over. If I remember correctly the fight involved a stabbing where one man died. Also know that Stradivarious gave each instrument that he created a woman's name.

John the moderator generically calls my cameras "Monsters" because I bulk them up with accessories. M6 is Monster-6, and MP is Monster P. Easy to remember.

Know that I favor heavy silver versions of lenses that underneath are brass instead of aluminum. Also all my M's (Monsters) feature Tom Abramson Rapidwinders and Rapidgrips so the closely resemble my F3P mentioned above.

Clearly my cameras have character. LOL.

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Old 05-04-2016   #23
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Cameras do hang out together
This is hilarious and to the point:

http://zackarias.com/for-photographe...ks-into-a-bar/
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Soul is all in the owner's / user's mind.
John,

I agree, but I do think that an object can grow to represent and have imparted the essence of the owner's spirit and can live on. Objects can live on while we eventually die.

Tell me a good photograph is not the projection of the photographer's spirit/soul, even though it just captures a moment. The moment and the image can become immortal.

No doubt that I have bonded with objects in my case.

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I agree, but I do think that an object can grow to represent and have imparted the essence of the owner's spirit and can live on. Objects can live on while we eventually die.
I agree, but there's always a story attached to it. The story is made up by human experience and myth. Look at Garry Winogrand's M4 (https://www.cameraquest.com/LeicaM4G.htm) ... without the story, it's just a worn out M4 that only camera geeks would care about. The average photographer wouldn't.

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Tell me a good photograph is not the projection of the photographer's spirit/soul, even though it just captures a moment. The moment and the image can become immortal.
I think this is something different than a camera. Photography is a language of sorts that speaks to all people (in some way or another). Cameras are not.

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Oh we all have... but the bond is through experience and appreciation rather than soul in my opinion.
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I just want it said that I've finished the screen play and about to sell this conversation to Dreamworks....................

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I think this is something different than a camera. Photography is a language of sorts that speaks to all people (in some way or another). Cameras are not.

John,

You make a good point. Cameras are not close to a universal language like a photograph, but here in this forum many speak the language of cameras.

Even photographs are not totally universal. When an aborigine was shown a photograph of his mother he did not recognize her. In this case the representation of a three dimensional person did not translate into a two dimensional flat image.

Also know that I'm not so sure that I would not get a vibe from Winogrand's M4. Some guitars are special and stand out. I'm sure that also holds true for cameras.

Remember the M6 HM with 0.85 VF'er that I owned. Basically a lemon that also had bad luck. Glad I traded it away. In other words some cameras suck (not all M6 HM, just this one).

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New digital cameras can talk to WiFi networks. Maybe they have their own forums, where they talk about different kinds of photographers they like or hate? They argue with each other about how some photographers are obsolete (or have obsolescence built into them), or are strictly vanity hires (all about status), or are way too expensive for the kind of quality they provide. Other photographers are a dream to work with, and some have excellent bokeh (a Japanese term for how well they perform when they are not focused.) I'm afraid my Retina could not join -- it would be too busy yelling at the neighbor kids to get off our lawn.
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they don't talk but read you and act! They may fail on you, refuse to work, drop and get broken or not, get away by means of being stolen or forgotten.. or happily serve you.
I've never dropped a camera. They have jumped out of my hands in a suicidal fit over the lousy picture I was trying to make.
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Remember the M6 HM with 0.85 VF'er that I owned. Basically a lemon that also had bad luck. Glad I traded it away. In other words some cameras suck (not all M6 HM, just this one).
Well, you did have some bad luck with that one. It happens. As much as I'm not a big fan of the word "soul" ... you do know that I'm picky when it comes to sticking with a camera.
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A lot of mental energy goes into producing a camera... the hopes and dreams of the designers and engineers, and all the other people who contribute to the chain of production, even back to those who dug the ore to make the metal, and drilled for the oil to make the plastic parts. But as a former mechanical engineer, I mostly think of the engineers who came up with ideas and solutions with the goal of producing something we would like to use. Does the product then bear some of the "soul" that went into the making?
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A lot of mental energy goes into producing a camera... the hopes and dreams of the designers and engineers, and all the other people who contribute to the chain of production, even back to those who dug the ore to make the metal, and drilled for the oil to make the plastic parts. But as a former mechanical engineer, I mostly think of the engineers who came up with ideas and solutions with the goal of producing something we would like to use. Does the product then bear some of the "soul" that went into the making?
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I think what you suggest is true. The product does bear some of the "soul" that went into the making.

Sending a man to the moon is a great example of a chain of endeavors that extend beyond an idea, a concept involving hopes and dreams. In an abstract way the soul of the Apollo Program got extended to live in cell phones and home computers that we enjoy today that were the result of the Apollo Program that some argued was a waste of money.

Also consider Apollo 13 and the rescue of three astronauts where the Lunar Module was used as a life raft.

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Does the product then bear some of the "soul" that went into the making?
Certainly... but is it the same as the user feels? probably not. If we go that route... the whole man made world would have "soul."
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My cameras are planning to surry down to a stoned soul picnic.
I have not been invited.

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nah, but they probably question why so many of their owners are assholes.
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do you think cameras hang out and ask each other if their owners have soul?

...I've forwarded your question to the 'photographing chimp'.
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