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Old 06-17-2015   #1
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Why would anybody want anything other than an M3

Well the title grabbed your attention, but seriously, why would anybody want to buy anything other than an M3, or maybe an M2 or a iiig?

Those pre-M3 Leicas feel nice and look pretty on the shelf (I have a selection of them), but surely nobody would want to use them for taking photographs, would they? All that squinting through miniscule viewfinders and rangefinders, and struggling to load a film through a tiny aperture would surely only suit a dedicated masochist?

As for the post-M3 Leicas, they're probably still very nice useable cameras but why would anybody want to pay more than 30 for one, because for that price you could buy a Japanese SLR which by the mid sixties had surpassed the Leica rangefinder in almost every way and were equally well put together.

The M3 deserves its iconic status and subsequent inflated market value because at the time it was produced it was outstanding. But by the end of production it had been overshadowed by its competitors, and the subsequent models, although certainly good cameras, have no place in history.

Ok I think I should have upset enough people by now.
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Old 06-17-2015   #2
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Because the M3 is addicting and as any seductress does it leaves you wanting more?
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1:1 viewfinder, whale oil, titanium shutter. Nikon S3 please and thank you.

No question the M3 is one of the most classic cameras of all time. Speed Graphic, Nikon F, Olympus OM-1 also seem to fit the in that category.
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The M3 is my favorite M...

I use my barnacks more than my M3 though More of a personal preference as I've since gotten used to zone focusing and I find barnacks more tactile for some reason. They are lighter too!
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Hmm.

I had an M3 for a bit. It was a nice camera. But I preferred something else, so I sold it and bought that with the money.

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Well the title grabbed your attention, but seriously, why would anybody want to buy anything other than an M3, or maybe an M2 or a iiig?

Those pre-M3 Leicas feel nice and look pretty on the shelf (I have a selection of them), but surely nobody would want to use them for taking photographs, would they? All that squinting through miniscule viewfinders and rangefinders, and struggling to load a film through a tiny aperture would surely only suit a dedicated masochist?

As for the post-M3 Leicas, they're probably still very nice useable cameras but why would anybody want to pay more than 30 for one, because for that price you could buy a Japanese SLR which by the mid sixties had surpassed the Leica rangefinder in almost every way and were equally well put together.
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All Leicas pre-1954 and post 1966

Most of those Leicas up to the iiif look quite pretty but surely only a dedicated masochist would consider using one for actually taking photographs? All that messing around trying to load a film in one, then squinting through two tiny pinholes to view and focus the picture. No thanks! I have a few but they stay firmly on the shelf where they belong.

As for anything post M3, why bother? By the mid sixties even the lovely M3 had become an anachronism, having been bettered in almost every way by cheaper Japanese SLRs.
Any Japanese SLR is for primitives, Nikon included.
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I only have an M3 and it'll stay that way for the foreseeable future...
Fantastic camera.
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Old 06-17-2015   #11
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The M3 is nice but I carry my IIIc and the little 50mm Elmar almost everyday. I can't remember the last time I had the M3 out. Joe
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Old 06-17-2015   #12
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I agree with the OP about Japanese SLR.
I bought for $10 or gifted Free!
Close ups are easy.
No fancy lenses, with extra goggles or tubes.
TTL metering a bonus..OK many no longer function.
Nor does my Metrawatt Leicameter.
It died about 1 year after guarantee.
Yes that and more bonus but..

No camera feels and works with me as does my Leica M3.
I have only had it since 1967, so I gotta be patient..


I traded stuff for a M6TTL in 2000.
It's nice but the viewfinder really sucks in comparison.
My M2 very early model has nice framing lines and similar feel.
It is not an M3.
My M3 is named Ziggy.
Warning. The M3 is very old and glues in viewfinder are now critical. Buyer beware..
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Old 06-17-2015   #13
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Ok I think I should have upset enough people by now.

Anyone who gets upset by internet postings should go for a nice relaxing walk.
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Old 06-17-2015   #14
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Not only do I have a pre-M3 Leica (IIIc), I enjoy taking photos with it and use it all the time. And I have an M2 and M4-2 as well. I understand the quirks abt Leica bottom loaders, but those quirks are far outweighed by the build quality, compact size, and light weight compared to an M, at least to my mind. YMMV.
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Old 06-17-2015   #15
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Anyone who gets upset by internet postings should go for a nice relaxing walk.
I think the OP is doing a little trolling here.
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I think the OP is doing a little trolling here.
No!! Really??

I am glad he likes the M3 cause its a very nice camera and everyone deserves to enjoy using a very nice camera.
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Old 06-17-2015   #17
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I dearly love my M3. But I like other cameras too. There's digital convenience, for one. I've gone for months, while away, using nothing but a large-sensor digi-P&S and my M3 with Elmar-M 50/2.8 and been quite happy. But I like other types of photography that an M3 is a lot less suited to. Long lenses for wildlife; macro; etc. Plus I like playing with and even using lots of different types of cameras. That's often somewhat separate from photography, per se, but that's OK too. Well, I think it is and that's what counts to me.

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I love the M3 because it simply and respectfully does only what I want, when I want, no fuss, no muss, no misdirected autofocus, no fussy hard to work (or access) menu's, no batteries, no crappy tiny dim viewfinder, and it is just so neat to feel like I am back in the early 1960's again whenever I use it.
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M2 for the 35mm frameline.

M6 .58 for 28mm and 35mm framelines.

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MP .58 for 28mm, 35mm, and because it's an MP.
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I love the M3 because it simply and respectfully does only what I want, when I want, no fuss, no muss, no misdirected autofocus, no fussy hard to work (or access) menu's, no batteries, no crappy tiny dim viewfinder, and it is just so neat to feel like I am back in the early 1960's again whenever I use it.
That pretty well describes my K1000 and an awful lot of nice Japanese SLRs from the 60s and 70s.
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because I M4 M2

(not true, actually i prefer Bessa)

M3? seriously? f..ing around with that film loading you call a joy?
And the almost-1.0x viewfinder... WTF? why not 1.00000000000000?
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Why...

You might as well ask why anyone would buy a camera when they've a smart phone...

Luckily I can think of lots of reasons but putting them on a shelf to dry out, rust and gather dust aren't on the list. I guess some people like dusting...

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Well the title grabbed your attention, but seriously, why would anybody want to buy anything other than an M3,
Perhaps some people like to shoot something other than 50mm lenses.
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I gotta admit that after some postings on RFF, I dug like a miner,
found my still like new K1000(China one) in the Pentax box..
I am a hoarder.
I thought as a collector, but I am a hoarder..
Anyway after the post on M3, It's the K-1000 for awhile.
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They are nice agreed .... but I found the M2 to be much more versatile.
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The M3 is the best, but the M2, M5 and MP are nice too.

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I have an M3ds and an M2 ... both are ok.
Don`t know what the other models are like.
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I'm a 35mm FL shooter only hence M2, I have two: 1958 (super smooth) and a 1963 that needs more action to get smoother (got it in pristine almost unused condition last year).
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They are nice agreed .... but I found the M2 to be much more versatile.
Yep. The M2 is like an American Express card: Don't leave home without it.
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I always wondered why anyone ever wanted something different than a Speed Graphic: focal AND leaf shutter, rangefinder AND glass focus, movements and large film, with a rapid loader is not even slow... At the time of the first Leicas speed was not much better, image quality was way worst and price...ok forget about it. Still people eventually moved on...

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I always wondered why anyone ever wanted something different than a Speed Graphic: focal AND leaf shutter, rangefinder AND glass focus, movements and large film, with a rapid loader is not even slow... At the time of the first Leicas speed was not much better, image quality was way worst and price...ok forget about it. Still people eventually moved on...

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Another thing that I'd forgotten, or not even really thought about, or never known, until I was talking with my (now 80-year-old) Dad is that the cost of film was out of proportion to what we now regard as the cost of prints. In Dad's day the film was relatively expensive, while prints were relatively cheap.

Dad's first 35mm camera (a Diax IIb, of which I recently acquired a copy) was chosen because he could get 36 6x4 prints for the same price as he could get 12 (square) prints from the Balda Baldax he traded away. That mattered, once he didn't have access to a darkroom, paper and chemicals (which he had as a student) - the size of the negatives really didn't enter into it for the small prints he was thinking of at the time.

I expect a Speed or Crown Graphic wouldn't have helped much with that.

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Yeah, but you showed an M3 all the same.
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And I don't understand the people that like a 1:1 vf. There is simply no eye relief and it's impossible to have an entire view of a scene
The M3 has no 1:1 finder in the first place. (It is about 1:0.92).

The frame is so thick that it cannot be overlooked (and so you have an entire view of a scene) in the second place.

The great master of composition Cartier-Bresson had M3 finders built into his M4 and M6 cameras in the third place.

Try one, Ned. You'll love it.

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