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Old 01-12-2011   #1
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Leitz 5cm Summitar V 5cm Elmar

Which do people prefer, Leitz 5cm Summitar coated or the 5cm Elmar for use on their Leica III
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I love my Summitar. I am very happy with it as the only lens I own for my IIIf.







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very nice William, I particularly like the last shot of the deli
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another Vote for the Summitar
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Elmar. Smaller.

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very nice Helen, very nice indeed
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I must admit Roger the IIIf with Elmar is a very fine ' slip it in your coat pocket' street shooter
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Old 01-12-2011   #9
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Okay, My Leica III has the coated Elmar on it.

William's IIIf has my old Summitar on it, coated and with the nice aperture mechanism.

My IIIf's have Collapsible Summicrons on them.
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its this man's Work on flickr that FLOORS ME.... all 3 pages are w/ his SUMIITAR
OUTSTANDING ...drool

here is the Link...Enjoy !
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another Vote for the Summitar
Helen, this is fantastic (and good, too).

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That url should have a / instead of a ' between photos & lesged.

And yeah, Les has some insanely great work from his time in Italy.
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Cheers ^ Thank YOU LXmike

Mighty Kind TOM...Much Appreciative
I was just LUCKY one night on a walk home
to turn a Corner and there was Con Ed working on that Gas Line
I did a Few with the Summitar and another few w/ the 21SA

Wiewisiii: I corrected the Link ...Thanx !
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I agree Helen, beautiful. I have enjoyed the Summitar when I have used it never used a classic Elmar (I use the Modern version).

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its this man's Work on flickr that FLOORS ME.... all 3 pages are w/ his SUMIITAR
OUTSTANDING ...drool

here is the Link...Enjoy !
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Les is a friend. He usually is found at nelsonfoto.com/SMF
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Old 01-12-2011   #16
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I would take either one. I have a pre war uncoated Elmar and a post war coated Summitar and find both sharp enough. The uncoated lens naturally suffers more from flare. The Elmar is darn near 2 stops slower. Both are collapsible and make the camera just as pocketable. If you need the speed then go Summitar otherwise I don't think it matters too much. Kind of a hard choice from where I sit.

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Helen, thanks for that link: wonderful photos!

To the OP: This is a tough question to answer, since a lot can depend on the particular samples of each lens. I've got a coated Summitar and a coated Elmar 50/3.5, and I had an Elmar 50/2.8. They were/are all wonderful lenses. But if I had to keep only one, it would be the little Elmar 50/3.5. It's combination of sharpness and lower contrast works beautifully for b&w landscapes, and my sample isn't too shabby for color either. I think the Elmar is also more flare resistant than the Summitar (you really do need a hood w/ the Summitar). But the Summitar is a beautiful lens, particularly stopped down and w/ b&w.
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Thumb's up for the Summitar:



Elmar 50/3.5:

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Steve, that's a stunning landscape with an Elmar - my hat is off!
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It used to be the Summitar for me but the (coated) Elmar became slowly my favorite. It is smaller and I think a little bit better at f/4.0 compared to the Summitar at f/4.0 As others have mentioned, a IIIf w/ Elmar 5cm 1:3.5 is very pocketable and fun to use !
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I've had both and both were excellent performers.

If I had to choose one it would be the Summitar though - simply for f2 and the fact that when changing aperture (with a hood on) I never got thumb marks on the glass.

Can't really go wrong with either though.

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Thanks, John.
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its this man's Work on flickr that FLOORS ME.... all 3 pages are w/ his SUMIITAR
OUTSTANDING ...drool

here is the Link...Enjoy !
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Helen et al,

I agree that these are stunning photos.

Not to take-away from the qualities of the Summitar ( or the photographer ), since these pictures all seem to have been taken over 50 years ago, I am curious as to what film was used, as this may be a significant contribution to these terrific photos...
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So, seeing that the OP framed the poll in terms of use on a Leica III, I voted for the Elmar, which is a perfect match for my IIIc. I prefer using the Summitar on my M2 or Canon P.
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I don't have a Summitar but I found the 50/3.5 Elmar I have to be quite nice.
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This is the Elmar with some fuji film. I like how the Elmar renders colors but it did flare on me on a few shots in all this light. I need to shoot this lens a lot more than I do.
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Both wonderful lenses. The Summitar edges the Elmar in sharpness (at least at wider apertures), while the Elmar is amazingly compact and light. Get the Summitar if you plan to shoot frequently below about F4 or so.
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The elmar is worth it on a IIIc/f whatever simply due to the size. If you can live with the slowness, the annoying aperture 'ring', and the lack of common filters, it's a great compact lens. If i'm going somewhere during the day and it's going to be bright, I toss the IIIc in a pocket with the Elmar, significantly more compact than any other combination I have. I've only shot about half a roll with my elmar, here are a couple examples



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I'm a comfirmed Summitar fan, it's a lens with two characters.. wide open and stopped down. It's never disappointed.
Often I use M-Elmar's (2.8 or 3.5) and occasionally an uncoated ltm. The 3.5 M-mount is a great lens, although the ltm is awkward but on the plus is no thicker than a body cap.
Both Summitar's and Elmars are still good value, buy one if you don't like it sell it and get the other, users are not hard to find.
Red scale Elmar is probably the peak of it's series.
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And really, an Elmar doesn't need to be coated......
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Thats a very interesting point of view michael, an Elmar does not have to be coated.............it would be intrested to see results that compare coated and uncoated
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I have three 50mm f3.5 Elmars. The 1933 lens is very prone to flare. Use a hood and do not shoot into the sun. The colors are also a bit more muted than my 1948 coated Elmar. The coated Elmar is a great all round lens but both my 1933 Elmar and the one on my 1929 Leica I can deliver lovely results. I have not tried them with black and white but I want to. On my M6, my favorite 50mm is a f2.8 Elmar. Small and Wonderful. Joe
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I have three 50mm f3.5 Elmars. The 1933 lens is very prone to flare.
These old lenses often suffer from fogging. When the uncoated Elmar is clear as a bell, it is almost as good as a coated one. The same is not true for Summars and Summitars!

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Summitar. Although I never shot with an Elmar
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its this man's Work on flickr that FLOORS ME.... all 3 pages are w/ his SUMIITAR
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here is the Link...Enjoy !
www.flickr.com/photos/lesged/
I'm a bit confused. It seems to me that 'Summitar-Zen" has only the following pictures taken with his Summitar.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lesged/tags/summitar/

He seems to have used other lenses in the rest of his pictures, as some notations suggest.
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I'm a bit confused. It seems to me that 'Summitar-Zen" has only the following pictures taken with his Summitar.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lesged/tags/summitar/

He seems to have used other lenses in the rest of his pictures, as some notations suggest.
Oh Dear... Quite right about your Confusion
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The flickr site has changed
And A Huge Majority of his work with the Summitar is missing
Most prewar / post war Italy
If i remember correctly
It was Stellar

Wonder why he got rid of it..???
His present work dies nothing for me ;(
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Get both! That's what I did. And while your at it, get a Summar and Summarit too.
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He still has the pictures under the link:-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lesged/...with/76323335/
Glad you found these. The Summitar is my favorite LTM lens, and I too have wondered about it vs the Elmar. The jury is still out, though...
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