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Old 02-23-2019   #81
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And here's another 1/2 camera I would never own. Those Sony RX abominations.....No viewfinder, ....

hm..so far, on my Sony RX100iii, I have pretty much exclusively used it's EVF!
( as much as I like Ricoh and would love a GR I also don't like cameras without viewfinder. This, first of all, is due to my bad eyes. I always carry 2 glasses, one for distance, one for close range. If I was to use a camera that had LCD only I'd always have to switch my glasses first. Fortunately the diopter adjustment of the EVF of the RX100 is - just - strong enough for my eyes. This is not a given, others camera's EVFs diopter adj. aren't )
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I fully agree- just put a strap on it. They actually work fine.
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hm..so far, on my Sony RX100iii, I have pretty much exclusively used it's EVF!
( as much as I like Ricoh and would love a GR I also don't like cameras without viewfinder. This, first of all, is due to my bad eyes. I always carry 2 glasses, one for distance, one for close range. If I was to use a camera that had LCD only I'd always have to switch my glasses first. Fortunately the diopter adjustment of the EVF of the RX100 is - just - strong enough for my eyes. This is not a given, others camera's EVFs diopter adj. aren't )
Do those things have a VF? Then I stand corrected.
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What's that old adage? How do you upset people online? Express an opinion and wait.
Alternatively... Present an obnoxious, confused and intentionally provocative opinion, riddled with strawman arguments, as fact, and then tell everyone who doesn't respond in absolute agreement to 'chill'.

Yes, I suppose you are right. That is a good way to upset people online (or in real life).
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Do those things have a VF? Then I stand corrected.

yes, these CAMERAS, besides an EVF got a flash built in too, wouldn't know what's half about it.
this is not necessarily meant personally, but Nick, permit me to say:
From anyone who makes strong, specially if negative statements about anything I'd expect that he first, at least, knows the basics of what he is talking about.. In the end for his own good, since, if not, he simply is disqualifying himself


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that optional grip make it sit very well in my hand!
pushing the button that makes it's EVF pop up turns on the camera, pushing it back in turns it off. Love that feature!
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I like the 1954 Zeiss Contina II. Definitely pocketable 35mm folder, fixed 45mm Novar with Prontor SV leaf shutter.

I also like my Nicca 3F, with CV 25/ f4 "Snapshot," it fits in a coat pocket easily.
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yes, these CAMERAS, besides an EVF got a flash built in too, wouldn't know what's half about it.
this is not necessarily meant personally, but Nick, permit me to say:
From anyone who makes strong, specially if negative statements about anything I'd expect that he first, at least, knows the basics of what he is talking about.. In the end for his own good, since, if not, he simply is disqualifying himself
Fair point. I'll permit you to say it Truth be told, 1" sensor? I don't pay it much mind.
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Fair point. I'll permit you to say it Truth be told, 1" sensor? I don't pay it much mind.

Now your ill informed opinion earlier presented as objective criticism has become a single, simple and declared personal preference, or rather personal reason for exclusion. Fair enough!

Peace!


Untitled
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myself I am still stunned by the possibilities it offers incl. it's IQ


Untitled
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A 1/2 camera is something like the GR.

No VF (though you can purchase one for $250, about 1/2 the cost of the camera)

"Mirrorless" (i.e. no mirror, thus a lack of a feature positioned as "a feature")

No built-in flash

Does it have a real shutter? I'm gonna say "no". If I'm wrong, I'm sure I'll be corrected.

Cropped sensor --- so 1/2 a sensor

=

(One example of a...) 1/2 Camera.
ah, it' one of those "that's not a camera, THAT'S a camera" kind of thing. always fun stuff.

reminds me of a funny experience. sometimes i am asked to speak (shudder) to people about photography and other stuff. one time i was speaking to a sizeable crowd about something unimportant. most of them were focused, pardon the pun, on the fact that i mainly use point and shoots. some without viewfinders in fact. at the end of my alotted blah blah blah time the host stood to organize a question period and started with "when i was a pro wedding photographer there was no women because the gear was too heavy".

not sure why, but it made me chuckle to myself.
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Now your ill informed opinion earlier presented as objective criticism has become a single, simple and declared personal preference, or rather personal reason for exclusion. Fair enough!

Peace!


Untitled
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myself I am still stunned by the possibilities it offers incl. it's IQ


Untitled
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both above taken with Sony RX100iii
Dear Kuuan,

Nice work! Your pictures speak 1000 words and your words in this thread are worth 1000 pictures easily!

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yes, these CAMERAS, besides an EVF got a flash built in too, wouldn't know what's half about it.
this is not necessarily meant personally, but Nick, permit me to say:
From anyone who makes strong, specially if negative statements about anything I'd expect that he first, at least, knows the basics of what he is talking about.. In the end for his own good, since, if not, he simply is disqualifying himself


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that optional grip make it sit very well in my hand!
pushing the button that makes it's EVF pop up turns on the camera, pushing it back in turns it off. Love that feature!
i so want to love those little rx100's. they seem designed for this boys heart. sadly each one i have tried has gone belly up in short order

glad to see it may be a case of bad luck
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i so want to love those little rx100's. they seem designed for this boys heart. sadly each one i have tried has gone belly up in short order

glad to see it may be a case of bad luck
hm..I must have been lucky then! ..well, kind of.. for all is working fine, though:

prior owner(s) must have used it heavily! The small, metal strip of the body, on the left upper corner, is very thin. Too thin one may argue, and that this is a design fault.
If the camera drops that side it might bend in and hinder the EVF to pop up nicely. I think this is what must have happened to my camera. I bent it out again further, this lead to more paint loss. And the "lid" on the EVF fell off. I guess the prior owner, before selling and sending it to me, just pressed it on again. Doing that it would stay on, but not strongly enough for my use and I just keep it off.
Resell value sure dropped considerably. But I like the camera anyway and shall keep it for quite some time. Also it fits to my other cams that all look beaten up. Has advantages too: Being much on the road I don't have to watch much for them not getting stolen



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This photo may show how small it is. Anyone who knows the Voigtlaender Super-Wide Heliar f4.5/15mm and the M-Rokkor f2/40mm will be able to judge.
That floor tile measures 30x30cm


for judging the size by andreas, on Flickr
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hm..I must have been lucky then! ..well, kind of.. for all is working fine, though:

prior owner(s) must have used it heavily! The small, metal strip of the body, on the left upper corner, is very thin. Too thin one may argue, and that this is a design fault.
If the camera drops that side it might bend in and hinder the EVF to pop up nicely. I think this is what must have happened to my camera. I bent it out again further, this lead to more paint loss. And the "lid" on the EVF fell off. I guess the prior owner, before selling and sending it to me, just pressed it on again. Doing that it would stay on, but not strongly enough for my use and I just keep it off.
Resell value sure dropped considerably. But I like the camera anyway and shall keep it for quite some time. Also it fits to my other cams that all look beaten up. Has advantages too: Being much on the road I don't have to watch much for them not getting stolen



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well in my humble opinion, if it's still pumpin' out the goods roll with it
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well in my humble opinion, if it's still pumpin' out the goods roll with it

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Dear Kuuan,

Nice work! Your pictures speak 1000 words and your words in this thread are worth 1000 pictures easily!

Regards,

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oh Tim, WOW, thank you so much for your kind words! Very much appreciated
best regards back!


Untitled by andreas, on Flickr, Sony RX100iii, Saigon 2019


Talking camera straps: After my Pentax *istDs had dropped various times because it's strap caught somewhere while I was walking with it in my hand I took it off and have done so with every other camera since.

I am using a "beltbag", this one: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/147537-REG/Lowepro_LP01241_PEF_Orion_Mini_Camera_Beltpack.htm l It holds any of my cameras with 2 or 3 extra lenses, sometimes 2 of my cameras and if I need more space I add pouches to either or both sides. The zipper case inside it's lid holds SD cards, keys, money... Most importantly, free hands, no weight on shoulders, I hardly feel carrying anything but have instant access to the camera!

This product is discontinued ..are there too little people that are using such..imo simply ideal bag!?
Hm..personal preferences! Camera straps, the best thing for Nick and sure many others. I had bought a second copy, used, of the same beltbag.
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This was pocketable in 1912 and took 6 shots on an E28 roll film. It's a Houghton "Ensignette No 1" in case you didn't know; the large camera beside it is an Olympus XA2...

This was the basic version at a guinea; pay more and you got a different lens and focussing. Lenses were by Goerz, Cooke, Aldis and there was a CZ Tessar at more than six times the price.

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Kodak pocket 60 or the disc....

I wish the folks across the pond would have brought us a Retina version....

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At some point though the older truly pocketable film cams had some horrific iq i.e. Minox). I think what many of us keep coming back to is that there aren’t too many, if any, truly pants pocketable cameras, that you can carry comfortably, while still having great IQ.
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At some point though the older truly pocketable film cams had some horrific iq i.e. Minox). I think what many of us keep coming back to is that there arenít too many, if any, truly pants pocketable cameras, that you can carry comfortably, while still having great IQ.
The Konica Big Mini HG does decently, but in some cases the flash is underpowered (not surprising).


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The Konica Big Mini HG does decently, but in some cases the flash is underpowered (not surprising).
It’s still a little fat for my taste.
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Itís still a little fat for my taste.
It is a bit too tight for jeans, but fits in a jacket, and easily drops into my computer bag to travel with in a pinch.
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Just noticed this... (speaking of the Konica Big Mini HG- this one is a variant)

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...postcount=1209
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At some point though the older truly pocketable film cams had some horrific iq i.e. Minox). I think what many of us keep coming back to is that there arenít too many, if any, truly pants pocketable cameras, that you can carry comfortably, while still having great IQ.
I am puzzled by your comment.
Photos from every Minox 35 model I have owned were quite good.

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Olympus Stylus mjuII fits easily. Sony RX100 fits easily. Both great cameras with great IQ.
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I am puzzled by your comment.
Photos from every Minox 35 model I have owned were quite good.

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At what size are we talking and for what purpose?
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It is a bit too tight for jeans, but fits in a jacket, and easily drops into my computer bag to travel with in a pinch.
I can agree with that.
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A 1/2 camera is something like the GR.

No VF (though you can purchase one for $250, about 1/2 the cost of the camera)

"Mirrorless" (i.e. no mirror, thus a lack of a feature positioned as "a feature")

No built-in flash

Does it have a real shutter? I'm gonna say "no". If I'm wrong, I'm sure I'll be corrected.

Cropped sensor --- so 1/2 a sensor

=

(One example of a...) 1/2 Camera.

I shoot a lot of large format. Now THAT is a camera. No mirror, no flash, no shutter with barrel lenses. Just a box to hold the lens on the front, and the film on the back. ANY 35mm you can identify is 1/100th of a camera.
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At what size are we talking and for what purpose?
Not sure what you mean by that as well...

Here's one of several RFF threads featuring Minox 35 images:

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140057&highlight=minox

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In the digital realm, one pocket camera I have is this LX 5 by Panasonic and still use it though a few years old and hence antiquated in digital camera terms.



Back when I was shooting film for a time I used this baby - a Voigtlander Vito 11. It is tiny, not much bigger than the LX5. No rangefinder built in but Voigtlander did make a tiny accessory rangefinder that could be added without reducing its pocketability noticeably.

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Not sure what you mean by that as well...
We most likely have a totally different idea of what we want quality wise. The best you might be able to get from a Minox negative is about.... AH, I see the problem ... I was talking about the minature minox cameras not the Minox 35. I don`t see the 35 fitting in my pants pocket comfortably.
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We really need a poll as I was thinking all along of shirt pockets...


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We really need a poll as I was thinking all along of shirt pockets...


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We always need another poll!

I might own one shirt with a pocket, none of my dress (2) or business (1) shirts do. I think I have a casual lumberjack style shirt with a pocket?
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Well....pockets vary. Best pockets I have are on a leather A2 jacket.
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I was thinking all along of shirt pockets...

I'd never expect to keep one in a pants pocket.
Too much competition from wallet and potential damage from keys.

A chest pocket - in a shirt, or better yet in a jacket - is more practical.

I have found an inside chest pocket of a coat to be the ideal place.
It is clean, convenient to access and offers a little more protection.

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I have found an inside chest pocket of a coat to be the ideal place.
It is clean, convenient to access and offers a little more protection.

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As an added bonus if I carry two cameras in my inside chest pockets...



If only there were pockets on the upper arm...
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This photo may show how small it is. Anyone who knows the Voigtlaender Super-Wide Heliar f4.5/15mm and the M-Rokkor f2/40mm will be able to judge.
That floor tile measures 30x30cm


for judging the size by andreas, on Flickr
Small? Small???

That thing is huge!





In its hard protective case.



Same 1" sensor as the Sony and a effective FOV of 32mm f1.8. The lens is *sharp*. I haven't tried it back to back with the Sony but my impression is it is sharper.



Not quite as easy to frame with though.

Currently on closeout for $116 on Amazon. If you buy the original version they included licenses for DXO Filmpack 5 ($80ish) and DXO processing software which then upgraded itself to DXO PhotoLab II Elite for no charge. ($199) DXO Photolab II is *really* nice and the Prime NR is the best I have seen.

Or KEH has a couple of used ones for $80 with their current sale.

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