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Of course I tried (Panasonic DMW-VF1) framing was ok on longer distances, but I shoot quite often < 2m and then its getting critical with the vertical framing. I used it with center AF as there is no other way with AF active, missed a lot of shots where I had to react fast and no time to focus in center and then recompose. Also, I need an OVF at least with diopter correction, not sure if the OVF from Leica or Zeiss have this, never tried because of the price.

As I said, still don't get why Ricoh is not offering an EVF as they did with some other cameras before, it's no longer rocket science in 2018/2019.

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Admittedly i am curious as to why they havent designed a hotshoe EVF. If there was anything in the newest model that would have attracted my wallets attention it woukd have been that.
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Admittedly i am curious as to why they havent designed a hotshoe EVF. If there was anything in the newest model that would have attracted my wallets attention it woukd have been that.
Same here, would buy it in a heartbeat and even pre-order, something I never did before.

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The hotshoe contacts alone would not be enough for an EVF. It will need an extra data port below or in the shoe. Refer to the cameras with such design and compare it to the GR III to see if the later, in which the space had become so constrained that they had to omit the flash, has the space to accommodate such a port and remain "pocketable". No camera that could equip a external EVF could fit in your jeans' pocket (unless it's a very large one), and it's no coincidence.

People want this, people want that, and what makes it funny is that, they also want it small and cheap. But what's on the designers' mind must had been about shedding off anything that's not mandatory (still want the flash though). I have a feeling that the digital GR/GRD were always built around the idea of framing with a screen, because as a digital camera it will have one anyway. Its interface is excellent because it fully embraces what it is.

So if you want an EVF, buy a camera with an EVF. It's that simple.
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Panasonic LX7
Olympus XZ-1/2

Pocketable and can sport an EVF

Perhaps folks like the handling and interface of the GR series and other cameras aren't the preferred choice? Maybe not so simple?
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Panasonic LX7
Olympus XZ-1/2

Pocketable and can sport an EVF

Perhaps folks like the handling and interface of the GR series and other cameras aren't the preferred choice? Maybe not so simple?
GR is APS-C, both these cameras have small sensors.
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I used to use the accessory finder, the GV-2, with mine that came in a package deal when I bought the GR I think. But in practical use, it just makes it more cumbersome and I got used to using this camera with the screen as viewfinder. The accessory finder mostly stays home.

It does make me feel a little less engaged with the photographic process, but the compromise for a small pocketable camera with a great sensor is a worthwhile tradeoff. The viewfinder on the original GR film camera wasn't that great for anything more than quick framing anyhow.
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Don't know you pockets Godfrey, but serious? I tried it with the Fuji X-F10 just for fun, and that was no fun to put it in the jeans pocket. And the CL without lens is even 4mm thicker than the Fuji and 10mm more than the GR. Sounds not dramatic on paper but makes a huge difference in real life. The GR slips easily in any pocket, even my small T3 needs definitely more attention because its thicker than the GR.

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GR is APS-C, both these cameras have small sensors.
Another reason why i prefer the GR. With that said, not sure how much bigger the ports and such would need to be to accomodate an EVF with APS-C sized sensor?
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I used to use the accessory finder, the GV-2, with mine that came in a package deal when I bought the GR I think. But in practical use, it just makes it more cumbersome and I got used to using this camera with the screen as viewfinder. The accessory finder mostly stays home.

It does make me feel a little less engaged with the photographic process, but the compromise for a small pocketable camera with a great sensor is a worthwhile tradeoff. The viewfinder on the original GR film camera wasn't that great for anything more than quick framing anyhow.

Im not in the 'must have a viewfinder or no deal' camp. In fact, i find using a screen quite liberating and in some circumstances, safer. I can keep an eye on what's going on around me.

There are occasions though, where i wouldn't mind the EVF.
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Since we've kinda floated off course a bit, I'll ask if anyone here uses the GR 21mm (equiv.) conversion lens? I have one, it's actually very good optically, but I haven't used it in a year or more. It makes the GR too bulky for pocketing.
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Since we've kinda floated off course a bit, I'll ask if anyone here uses the GR 21mm (equiv.) conversion lens? I have one, it's actually very good optically, but I haven't used it in a year or more. It makes the GR too bulky for pocketing.
I've used an wide-adapter accessory lens like that with the Panasonic LUMIX G 14mm on the Olympus E-PL7. Yes, it does make the camera a bit bulky ... but eh? It's a lot less bulky than some of my other ultra-wide cameras, like the Hasselblad SWC...
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Available for pre-order!
https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/02/21/...for-pre-order/
https://www.slashgear.com/ricoh-gr-i...ions-21566757/

$899 MSRP, 24MP, 3-axis stabilization, hybrid phase/contrast AF, touch screen, closer minimum focus, and smaller form factor (similar size to the pre-APS-C GRD IV). Loses the on-board flash, though, for those aspiring Bruce Gilden street photographers.
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I've never pre-ordered a camera before, but I'm in on this one.

Have you seen an expected ship date?

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FWIW, B&H's pre-order page says expected availability March 18, 2019:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...al_camera.html
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I can't believe it actually arrived... about a year or so too late really. Still cool to see a new one and looks like a great little camera.
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...Loses the on-board flash, though, for those aspiring Bruce Gilden street photographers.
Just in case, BG is using hot shoe connected flash.

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Just in case, BG is using hot shoe connected flash.

https://youtu.be/kkIWW6vwrvM
Fair enough. Carry on, aspiring street photographers!
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I can see myself getting one by the year end.
The IBIS will be an asset for those atmospheric film noir night time city shots.
In the meantime, there is Fred Lyon’s book.
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I really like my original GR1, so getting a decent digital version would be a natural step.

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I will definitely buy one when they have it in stock. Wish Ricoh could make GR to the full frame version in the future.
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I can't believe it actually arrived... about a year or so too late really. Still cool to see a new one and looks like a great little camera.
and it only took them 10 years to add image stabilization!

maybe it'll just be another 10 years to add an EVF?
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and it only took them 10 years to add image stabilization!

maybe it'll just be another 10 years to add an EVF?
I believe the GR Digital IV circa 2011 had image stabilization, so not quite 10 years.
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/engli.../features.html

But a non-auxiliary EVF or even OVF would be awesome.
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and it only took them 10 years to add image stabilization!
maybe it'll just be another 10 years to add an EVF?
...and they kept selling like hot cakes.
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Arrival date just a little too late for my winter trip. I was all set to pre-order, but will wait so it isn’t sitting on my front porch for a week. I will miss the flash, but will likely shoot yet another GR till it falls apart. One of my all time favorite cameras, whatever the generation. I am rarely seen in a city without one.

I hope my current II can last this trip, a year ago my previous II lost the flash after a tumble and I got a somewhat battered II to replace it thinking the III would be out in the fall. Maybe one of those close out IIs would be a good move. I’d have one with a flash for nighttime that will last for a good while...
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and it only took them 10 years to add image stabilization!

maybe it'll just be another 10 years to add an EVF?
We might never see another GR after this... and they aren`t adding the EVF, ever.
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With a fixed lens a simple built in OVF would be fantastic.

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I believe the GR Digital IV circa 2011 had image stabilization, so not quite 10 years.
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/engli.../features.html

But a non-auxiliary EVF or even OVF would be awesome.
Adding stabilization dropped the estimated battery life from close to 400 shots in the prior model down to 200 with the new one. Just imagine how much more it could drop with an attached EVF.
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Speaking of optical finder....


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With a fixed lens a simple built in OVF would be fantastic.
The days of built in OVFs in P&S style cameras is over.
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How big an improvement is this over the GR II?

Personally I'd pick up a GR II at half the price if I didn't already have one. When It breaks (which it eventually will) the GR III will be down to $400-600 which seems a bit more reasonable for a fixed lens camera with a finite lifespan.

I'd give up on the wish for a finder and a longer lens, history shows that you are sure to be disappointed. Try the auxiliary finder if you must but I would bet you end up using the screen. It's just not really that type of camera.
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I'm surprised people are demanding a built-in OVF or even an EVF. The GR series has always been about smallest possible size with the best possible picture quality. OVF/EVF would make the camera bigger, and most people are not bringing a camera this size to their eye anyway. As someone else mentioned, a hot-shoe OVF works well if you feel you need one. I have a Voigtlander 28mm viewfinder that I've used on my GR Digital IV and my GR and it's great for visualizing a photo.

It looks like Ricoh had to compromise between a built-in flash and IBIS. They chose IBIS.

My GR is the camera that comes with me most of the time--I appreciate its size and great picture quality, and I value the control it gives the photographer in the photo-taking process. I think the new sensor on the GRIII, along with Bluetooth (being able to sinc with a phone in order to share pictures quickly), makes this a good upgrade. I'll probably get one, sooner rather than later.
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Ricoh isn't doing themselves any favors with the folks doing early reviews:

https://www.thephoblographer.com/201...gr-iii-in-nyc/

The photos look horrible. Not the camera's fault, but they really need to get these things in the hands of some better photographers. This is the second one I've seen in the last day with just really crappy photos.

Not exactly highlighting the IBIS or new sensor
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Ricoh isn't doing themselves any favors with the folks doing early reviews:

https://www.thephoblographer.com/201...gr-iii-in-nyc/

The photos look horrible. Not the camera's fault, but they really need to get these things in the hands of some better photographers. This is the second one I've seen in the last day with just really crappy photos.

Not exactly highlighting the IBIS or new sensor
Totally agree with you. I absolutely hate that site. Just a garbage review with some equally bad images. Doesn't really matter though. This is a niche camera and those who need it will buy it.
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Those are some pretty horrid "sample" images. I downloaded a few raw samples posted at DPReview and they look pretty darn nice running through Adobe camera raw.
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Ricoh isn't doing themselves any favors with the folks doing early reviews:

https://www.thephoblographer.com/201...gr-iii-in-nyc/

The photos look horrible. Not the camera's fault, but they really need to get these things in the hands of some better photographers. This is the second one I've seen in the last day with just really crappy photos.

Not exactly highlighting the IBIS or new sensor
I'm not sure how much control Ricoh has over who does reviews, but I agree the early ones are not good. Most seem to be done by tech-centric sites (e.g. The Verge, Engadget, Slashgear, etc...). In other words, tech reviewers, not photographers.
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I don't understand why any mention of GR always brings out gritty **** processed pictures on the internet. It's an amazing camera that makes colour photos that most of the time look better than any Canon/Nikon/Sony/etc. Them idiot reviewers gotta stop processing their photos.
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Ricoh isn't doing themselves any favors with the folks doing early reviews:

https://www.thephoblographer.com/201...gr-iii-in-nyc/

The photos look horrible. Not the camera's fault, but they really need to get these things in the hands of some better photographers. This is the second one I've seen in the last day with just really crappy photos.

Not exactly highlighting the IBIS or new sensor
I see nothing wrong with those pictures. I see more crap on RFF on color side and this famous photog book full of pingunes is worse bw comparing to bw in review.
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I don't understand why any mention of GR always brings out gritty **** processed pictures on the internet. It's an amazing camera that makes colour photos that most of the time look better than any Canon/Nikon/Sony/etc. Them idiot reviewers gotta stop processing their photos.
I think itís because it is (wrongly) associated with Daido Moriyama who hasnít used one in many, many years.
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I don't understand why any mention of GR always brings out gritty **** processed pictures on the internet. It's an amazing camera that makes colour photos that most of the time look better than any Canon/Nikon/Sony/etc. Them idiot reviewers gotta stop processing their photos.
Because reviewers are rarely great photographers.
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Blame Daido Moriyama.

None of these guys have realized that he's moved on to color (and other cameras, I hear).
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There's additional image samples posted by Ricoh.
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan.../ex/index.html
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