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Old 01-27-2019   #81
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Out of curiosity, when did Leica begin to use "standard" 35mm cartridges? I believe that Nagel introduced them in about 1935, so obviously Leica had been going their own way for some years before they appeared.

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Back to home today and by coincidence I will be lunching in London on Thursday near two Leica dealers within easy tube connections. I'm inclined to think a IIIF is a good place to start as a camera to use for shooting.
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Old 01-28-2019   #83
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Lunching with two dealers? You are doomed...ah, just re-read your post.

Yes, IIIc or IIIf are good starting points and comparatively inexpensive. Also, if you are not bothered about slow speeds, good IIfs can be a real bargain.

Condition, condition, condition. Apart from the obvious make sure the second rangefinder image is good and clear.
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As we're all trying to dissuade the OP by showing our LTM beauties.......


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Aargh, appalling sentence editing from me there. Corrected.

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Old 01-28-2019   #86
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Well, the poor OP has had a lot of kit chucked at him...so here is a bit more, maybe he is yet to discover the conversions thread!

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Old 01-28-2019   #87
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Hmmm, I would say that a good starting point would be the classic model II with an Elmar in front. Far less to go wrong, no misplaced 3mm coaxial and so on.


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Hmmm...

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Out of curiosity, when did Leica begin to use "standard" 35mm cartridges? I believe that Nagel introduced them in about 1935, so obviously Leica had been going their own way for some years before they appeared.

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I understand that it was the M cameras that used the slightly shorter Kodak design. I have copies of the Leica cartridges but also two Agfa cartridges for (as I understand it) loading with film packed like a 220. The Agfa cartridges can be loaded with modern 135 innards, but dark loaded and theres not much gain. The older designs will not fit in modern cameras designed for 135.

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Leica II 74510, Elmar 35mm 11-o-clock coupled, SBLOO black paint.


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Old 01-28-2019   #91
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Here's a row of them but I can't have BM'd the page they first appeared on with a list of the heights etc.





I ought to redo the picture with the Perutz and Agfa/Velvet reloadable cassette added and, the pre-war refills, loaded and so on. Here's a taster or two:-











I hope that helps. The trouble is that, every time I look at my website, I see so much work that I wonder how I'll ever find the time to sort it out. And a few people have lifted pictures from it, to add to the fun. I wouldn't mind if they'd ask and acknowledge it but there you are...


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I've been trying out three screw mounts recently. They are growing on me, but I still think the Contax is a better user. The Reid III impresses me with its build. I had not noticed until I had them both together, but it is noticeably heavier than a IIIf or IIIg. It may be the most beautifully made of the lot. The lens is a solid little unit too. For some reason I did the unheard of and left the house with a digital camera yesterday when we walked the dogs, and I grabbed a couple of pics near the Derwent. These will be off to new homes in due course.








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I like the IIIc too, but then only in all black.

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The Starkies do wonderful work.

Someday will need to have them do a gray paint Barnack for me.
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The grey IIIc is very smooth, thanks to the ball bearings of the shutter mechanism.

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miss shooting since my M is at Youxin's ... so I found this Gem
arriving on my Birthday the 1 Feb

Miss 50 Color Skopar will mount her Beautifully


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Well, the poor OP has had a lot of kit chucked at him...so here is a bit more, maybe he is yet to discover the conversions thread!

IMG_1459 by dralowid, on Flickr
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The grey IIIc is very smooth, thanks to the ball bearings of the shutter mechanism.

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thats lovely and l can hear the original posters resolve crumbling as l type
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The grey IIIc is very smooth, thanks to the ball bearings of the shutter mechanism.

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Smooth and cool Erik, smooth and cool
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miss shooting since my M is at Youxin's ... so I found this Gem
arriving on my Birthday the 1 Feb

Miss 50 Color Skopar will mount her Beautifully


Miss Leica II... by Helen Hill, on Flickr
very very nice Helen enjoy, that arrival should brighten up the cold of winter
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thats lovely and l can hear the original posters resolve crumbling as l type
It is indeed lovely. But I have my eye on two or three IIIFs that I hope to fondle on Thursday.
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Miss Leica II... by Helen Hill, on Flickr
I just found the answer to my question I asked you on the other thread. Yes the 50 skopar will work nicely. Enjoy your birthday.
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I like the IIIc too, but then only in all black.

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im seeking a black voigtlander 50 finder for my latest acquisition. let me know of any leads on one. 😀
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Off to London in a couple of hours where I hope to fondle a few.

There are some nice IIIfs around but I'm leaning towards a III as I want something contemporary with most of the old cars I photograph. Any particular things to look out for?
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Check the Rangefinder contrast,
And if both curtains are nice and smooth, no wrinkle, tears or holes.
And see if it works on all speeds, especially the slow speeds
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Thanks! This one has been serviced in the last year, so I'm hoping it's devoid of pain, but that is always a big assumption...
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I picked up a Leica IIIf with 5cm collapsible Elmar last year from Red Dot Cameras, was significantly cheaper than a IIIg, the film loading wasn't as fiddly as I'd feared so I soon got the hang of it (practise first!) and it's a delight to use!

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Lovely Antony!

I ended up in Red Dot Cameras too and bought a black 1933 III with nickel Elmar. It had been serviced last year, rangefinder was bright enough and it was more quiet than a 50s IIIg. Everything else good - brassing but the whole camera is nicely patinated rather than worn.
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Apart from that have a Rolleiflex 3.5F, the odd Minolta XD7, Hasselblad 500cm, a Topcon Super D and an Intrepid 5x4 large format (not the half of it but I am clearing them out, honest).

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Congratulations...I've had mine since 1965, still happy with it!
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Lovely Antony!

I ended up in Red Dot Cameras too and bought a black 1933 III with nickel Elmar. It had been serviced last year, rangefinder was bright enough and it was more quiet than a 50s IIIg. Everything else good - brassing but the whole camera is nicely patinated rather than worn.
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Your wish etc





I'll do some proper film photos later.
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It's looking dandy.

Wonder what the TVB on the advance knob stands for? Ted Von Bunkenhoff?

I always get an urge to buy more of these, especially the III or IIIa since at least the chrome ones are possible to find relatively cheaply, but then I remember the extra lenses needed, the maintenance etc etc.

I love the form factor of the Leica II, but in practical photography situations I prefer the ones with a "diopter". Been thinking of combining a II shell with the rangefinder from a IIIb, but I am not sure that would work. That would be my dream camera.
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Is this bad?
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It's looking dandy.

Wonder what the TVB on the advance knob stands for? Ted Von Bunkenhoff?

I always get an urge to buy more of these, especially the III or IIIa since at least the chrome ones are possible to find relatively cheaply, but then I remember the extra lenses needed, the maintenance etc etc.

I love the form factor of the Leica II, but in practical photography situations I prefer the ones with a "diopter". Been thinking of combining a II shell with the rangefinder from a IIIb, but I am not sure that would work. That would be my dream camera.
Ivor at Red Dot said they'd had a good old speculate about the initials, but had no real idea as to whose or when done - they look mid 20th century to me, but what do I know? It it just a nice little enigma.

So far enjoying it immensely. I took my photos of it with a Nikon D700 and beside it it feels so petite yet so fine and hefty. It will fit my shirt front pockets but they might need some reinforcement!
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Man, look at that giant M3 on the end!
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Thats a whole lot of Steppers!
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