Old 01-01-2017   #41
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Roger,
While I wholeheartedly agree with your M5 assessment, I disagree about the slanted rewind. Sure it can bent, but so can the knob if it is left extended, or end up extended. I used an M2 where the rewind knob would slide up as I put it in the bag. Super annoying. My personal M6 was a bent rewind knob, but it can be straightened with a screwdriver easily enough. I still prefer the slanted rewind.
I also disagree with durability being the reason to return to the M3 type for the MP. I believe they reverted to their heritage and stopped trying to innovate. By the time the MP rolled around Leica we're so far behind technogically that all they could do was fall back on the glory days.

Now back to the OT, tell me what the first best M is and then I'll tell you what the second best is
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Old 01-02-2017   #42
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Just realised, Classic Leica means CL.

So all the others are second best...

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Old 01-02-2017   #43
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Just realised, Classic Leica means CL.

So all the others are second best...

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I can think of plenty of other words that start with 'C' and can go before 'Leica' that counter your 'Classic' claim, but the marketing department wouldn't like them as much so we'll go with what you said
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Old 01-02-2017   #44
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Wouldn't a Leica II be the second, best, Leica?
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Old 01-02-2017   #45
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Right, an M4 thread that morphs into an M5 appreciation fest. There's really no end to the devious ways of M5 owners.

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Old 01-02-2017   #46
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The M4 predates the M2. The M2 is a simplified M4.
I bought my M2 new around 1961 or 62, in a Camera store in Las Vegas. At that time the choice was either M2 or M3. I chose the M2 because I wanted the 35mm finder frame. There was no M4 at that time.

The M2 was produced from 1958 to 1967. M4 production began in 1967 and ended in 1975.
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Just realised, Classic Leica means CL.

So all the others are second best...

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CL was meant to stand for "Compact Leica," the CL being smaller than the M5 that was current at the time.
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No. In fact, its correct name is MCMLXXIII, CL is just an abbreviation
What are you saying? 1973 in Roman numerals? Yes, it was introduced in 1973 (and produced through 1976) but it wasn't named after the year of its introduction. The CL, for Compact Leica, was introduced in 1973 as a lower-cost alternative to the M5 (and M4). Physically smaller and lighter than the M5, it proved to be too popular, cutting into sales of the other models!
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Old 01-02-2017   #49
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The ultimate, best made, best designed and nicest to use, the M3.
Everything after (except the M5) was less in every way.
The fact the M3 was so great, means even the lesser M's are wonderful. The CL and CLE are not reliable. (my experiences).
My M2 purchased never used in 71, requiring a full CLR, to work.
I love the clarity, the clean viewfinder frames, non flare viewfinder.
Warning! My M2 is first batch and no spares, the button rewind, shutters.
My M6TTL is really a good camera, with wrong way shutter dial, terrible 50mm frame and a counter that hates to re-zero.
Yet compared to the plastic, throw away of other makes, it is superb.
The Canons are good BUT screw mount except for those ultra fast 50mm lenses. It is not an M-mount.
All Leica M cameras are special.
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The issue with the M3, and the reason that it is a miss for me, is that it is optimized for the 50mm lens. If you primarily shoot with a 35mm lens you have to use goggles which are a bulky kludge.
But they look super cool
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Right, an M4 thread that morphs into an M5 appreciation fest. There's really no end to the devious ways of M5 owners.

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Indeed. I started the thread wondering why so many people were in love with the M2, when it was obvious (to me, anyway) that the M4 was better in many ways. The "second-best" part was of course to stir the pot by tossing in a self-evident statement that the M5 was undisputedly the best of the M's. 😜😜Cheers,
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M2/m5 or m4/m2???
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M2/m5 or m4/m2???

Redundancy is a very good thing in space flight, not so much in forum topics...

(the M2R is #1 of the meter-less M's followed by the M2)
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I Swapped

My first M was a military M2R I swapped for a Triumph TR3; I saved my summer earnings and bought a new M4 which I still own. The M4 is more convenient and less M3 like, and I do miss the M2R only in that I wish that I had had enough money at the time to keep both.
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CL was meant to stand for "Compact Leica," the CL being smaller than the M5 that was current at the time.
Hi,

My reasoning is that the classic Leica is the Barnack designed version and one of it's main points was that it was small and neat. The post Barnack ones were a bit bigger and the M's bigger still. Only the CL going back to its roots.

I've got a file here with the original 1973 advert that started me down that slippery slope and all the repair bills and you'll be amazed to learn that it says Leica CL but doesn't explain what CL stands for...

Interesting that, as I just read the advert again, I remembered that I was on a bus in London going down Kings Cross Rd to Farringdon Rd and the City when I first read it.

Regards, David

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