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Old 09-09-2016   #1
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RIP Plus-X

So I've already posted some images but I've finished my last roll of plus-x in 35mm. I have to say I couldn't have gone out with a better roll. Just thought I'd share the images that really are going to make me miss the stuff.

A little backstory. I was asked to shoot my father's truck and was planning on a fuji 690 at golden hour shoot. Ended up losing track of time and the light was far too dark for the film I loaded in the 6x9. I ran back to my bag and pulled out the 35mm and snapped a few quick ones at dusk, within 5 minutes the light had fallen and we were finished. These are my frantic run around shots I managed to quickly snap in that period.

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Old 09-09-2016   #2
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Super nice images. Very classic.
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I don't know what you're talking about! The truck is parked on a street!

Great shots, cool truck. I came to film photography too late to use plus-x (or Kodachrome), but it looks nice.
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Old 09-10-2016   #4
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Very nice. Appropriate send off to a legendary film.

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Nice Pete! Yeah, I miss Plus-X too, but not enough to shoot up my last roll yet. Maybe when I'm eighty, I'll load up the S2, and give it one last fling.

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Lovely shots. plus X really is wonderful. i managed to come into serious photography just in time to shoot several rolls of PX and a single roll of Kodachrome.

PX may be gone but there are tons of good black and white films out there. be not mournful but rejoice!
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Old 09-10-2016   #7
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Plus was the most beautiful film created. Problem is not enough people thought so.

A home darkroom is needed to show off the best properties.

People go for tri x which is a dismal film in my opinion.
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I like both. I will be migrating over to tmax for the next brick, 400 not 100. Finding 400 to be a more versatile speed than 100.

I'm glad that the images are liked, I'm quite fond of them myself.
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Nice looking Pete your dad has. Love the twin stacks. Shot my last roll years ago. Good stuff I like the Arista EDU 100 & will play around with that. but it's not Plus X though.
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Old 09-24-2016   #10
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I just found 6 rolls in my freezer today.
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I have about 70 rolls in my film refrigerator. I savor it.
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Old 09-24-2016   #12
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Stocked up a few bricks as well as 100ft a year ago. Recently shot about 10 rolls. Fantastic film, even given the fact that I'd shot Acros in the past. Wish I've discovered it earlier.
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Wish I had some more, was my favorite film. Now it'seems FP4. Hope Ilford keeps making that for a while.
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ORWO UN-54 in Perceptol 1:1 will cure your woe.
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Nice looking Pete your dad has. Love the twin stacks. Shot my last roll years ago. Good stuff I like the Arista EDU 100 & will play around with that. but it's not Plus X though.
Thanks gb hill.

There's something special about plus-x that I'll miss.

I have one roll left in 120. I'm waiting for a special moment to finish it. But plus-x in 120 vs 35 I find is a completely different beast.
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I bought what Adorama said were their last two bricks of 35mm Plus-X a few years ago and have been shooting it sparingly since. Most of what I've shot has been through my Nikon F2 with a 2.1cm lens mounted.

I took most of my film photographs in Fallujah, Iraq on Plus-X back in 2004. I burned through 17 rolls in one day which was a record for me. Yes, yes, I know that is low for some journalists but I was also automatic rifleman 1 in my squad.

These days I shoot TriX and I'm migrating away from 35mm, hoping to concentrate on more contemplative composition with a 4x5.

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I found that Tri-X and Plus-X give similar "bitey" tones. I usually turn to Tri-X as an alternative to Plus-X to get that look in terms of tone.

The look changes when you factor in speed difference. I find that images shot at F4 1/1000 in bright sunlight look much different than F8 1/1000 with that difference in DOF. But if you shoot in those conditions where you can match the settings the results are quite similar.
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Any opinions/suggestions for the current 35mm film of similar speed closest to Plus-X in appearance, without resorting to exotic developers?

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Old 09-26-2016   #19
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I still have 2 bricks of plus-x in the freezer.

I think fp4 is a good substitute.
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Old 09-26-2016   #20
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Plus-X is and will be my first pick for a resurrected emulsion.
FP4 is a wonderful film unique from Plus-X yet close.
TMax100 in Perceptol 1:0 is very close.
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Old 09-27-2016   #21
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Any opinions/suggestions for the current 35mm film of similar speed closest to Plus-X in appearance, without resorting to exotic developers?

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ORWO UN-54 in Perceptol 1:1 will cure your woe.
Or is Perceptol exotic? I've not tried ORWO in ID-11/D-76, but would expect a Plus-X-ian rendition there as well.
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Old 09-27-2016   #22
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Some say fp4+ but I haven't shot enough of either to say for sure.
Discussions and consensus vary.

I like Acros at 100 in rodinal 1:50, but it may look a bit different.

Yeah u can get plus-X bulk on eBay from the last cine rolls, I recently secured 24 feet and yet another 100ft bulk from there.

As long as it has been stored cool, it will keep for a very long time, I add them to the 15 rolls I managed to get hold of in 2011 from various stores.
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Old 09-27-2016   #23
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See this is the challenge: Plus-X looked a certain way yet like all films was flexible in how that look came about with different developers and dilutions.
The films today have their own Look and of course the same applies to developer types and dilutions.
Acros in HC-110 will look like Acros in HC-110. Not like Plus-X in Microdol-X 1:0.
Like I said; TMax100 in Perceptol 1:0 is close.
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Okay, let me rephrase.

Which widely available 35mm BW film currently made gives "Plus-X like" results, preferably in HC-110, my most often used developer?

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Try Delta 100, which has "punchy" tones and high sharpness. I like ID-11 as the dev, but I'm sure it would be fine in HC-110. I have used the Ilford equivalent called LC29. Sample pic from M2/Biogon:
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It's very strange... Here in Lima usually nobody was too fan of Plus-X, everybody said that FP4 was a "better" film, and FP4 was all the rage for a medium speed film.

Then Plus-X was discontinued and i was surprised to see in forums that it was so missed.

Personally i think PX was a better film than FP4, but i like Delta 100 and TMX better.
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Okay, let me rephrase.

Which widely available 35mm BW film of similar speed currently made gives the most "Plus-X like" results,
preferably developed in HC-110 (my most often used developer), and that both scans and prints well?

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Okay, let me rephrase.

Which widely available 35mm BW film of similar speed currently made gives the most "Plus-X like" results,
preferably developed in HC-110 (my most often used developer), and that both scans and prints well?

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Sir.

There is no definite answer, that's the answer, I recommend that you check out threads like these, there are many many people who has asked the same question and many have also tried various replacements and share their experiences:


https://www.flickr.com/groups/673774...7627295896876/

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...hreadid=155786

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...d.php?t=102278

http://photo.net/black-and-white-pho...g-forum/00aSZR

http://www.apug.org/forum/index.php?...-kodak.131196/

http://silverbased.org/plus-x-kodak-woes/

Trough google, you will find even more discussions regarding this and it seems that the conclusion differes from person to person, but I can see that FP4 is mentioned a lot.
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Yes we understand the question!!!
You don't seem to understand the answer.
Like I said! TMax100 (a commonly found film) and Perceptol 1:0 (an Ilford version of Micrdol-X again very commonly found) try this combination since to me it looks and feels close to Plus-X. Try rating the TMax100 at 64 or 80 for more shadow detail and it helps give a Plus-X look to the highlights.
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There is no definite answer, that's the answer, I recommend that you check out threads like these, there are many many people who has asked the same question and many have also tried various replacements and share their experiences:
Indeed, I'm sure there have been similar threads here and at APUG and p.net etc.
But I thought folks at RFF might like to discuss "what's most like Plus-X" here in this Plus-X thread.

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Yes we understand the question!!!
You don't seem to understand the answer.
I added a bit to make my query more specific to my own preferences. Is that okay?
Also I thought there might be more than one "answer" er, opinion.

Man, this is one tough audience...

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Again; here's the deal; When you use X film in Y developer; it will look like X film in Y developer. Trying to make X film look like K film when using Y developer just means it now looks like

X film in Y developer.

If you want X film to look like the old and gone K film you have to tinker with using Z developer instead of Y developer.
Thats the no B.S. version; a shortcut if you're sharp.

The Kodak Medium speed film widely found processed in Perceptol 1:0 looks close to what a common Plus-X look would be. The spectral sensitivity is slightly different which adds to the difficulty in trying to match. The Perceptol suggestion is not in deference to your commonly used HC-110, its just you'll probably get closer to a "Plus-X Look" with something other than the commonly used HC-110. HC-110 and Plus-X was often used and I used some for some very expired 120 Plus-X Pro but ultimately found DK-50 1:1 suited my ideas for that batch of film. Perceptol is a version of Microdol-X which was often used with Plus-X particularly at 1:3 which would also be a good idea to test to see if TMax100 can look like Plus-X. You might want to try a light green filter for this as well.
Do be a good chap and show us some sample to see how it works. I still have one or two rolls of Plus-X I might shoot as a test against Tmax100.
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Plus was the most beautiful film created. Problem is not enough people thought so.

A home darkroom is needed to show off the best properties.

People go for tri x which is a dismal film in my opinion.
Agree with all this. Plus-X had the most beautiful tones, excellent sharpness and not enough grain to worry about. To my eye Tri-X does not look as sharp and does not have the same kind of gradation while TMX is completely different to both of them.
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Do be a good chap and show us some sample to see how it works.
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Well then your extra assignment for that is comparing FP4 AND Tmax100 in Perceptol 1:0
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Just get the ORWO UN 54 and a couple of packets of Perceptol. Not that difficult.
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Well, simply responding to the original post, I really miss Plus-X. I have a few rolls left in the freezer, and probably should stp hanging onto them and just shoot!

I also never really got on with HP4. Don't know why - it could be just me, but I find Plus-X a much easier film to shoot and develop.
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Plus-X was beautiful.

The closest film in terms of tonality and spectral response is TMY-II. You can shoot it at 200 if you develop in Perceptol, D23, or other speed-reducing developers.

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Just get the ORWO UN 54 and a couple of packets of Perceptol. Not that difficult.
Simple you say? What USA dealer sells ORWO film by mail order?

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Simple you say? What USA dealer sells ORWO film by mail order?

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Thanks for the link.

I won't buy 100 feet of a film I've never tried based on a single recommendation.
Too bad it's so expensive by the individual roll.

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Not that difficult.
But ORWO is making it simpler than I knew:

http://www.orwona.com/orwo-un54-100a...tography-film/

You don't even need to spool it up, and I bet you could head over to Brooklyn and just pick up a few rolls.
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