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Old 01-05-2016   #1
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Nikon D5 announced

up to "Hi 5 (ISO 3280000 equivalent)" sensitivity.

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Nikon just keeps banging out these wonder machine DSLRs. I find it hard to comprehend how you could improve the D4 but I guess they have to be seen to be trying to. And I guess the real bonus will be the immediate price fall of used D4s and D4s's.

I haven't used my D4 a whole lot since I got it but I know that when I need it there's no challenge it can't conquer.

And oh yes ....... ISO 3,280,000
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i wonder what can we shoot at iso 3M...
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New camera announcements aren't even interesting anymore. D5. ISO 3 Million? Yeah, that's useful for about .01 percent of photographers. Perhaps the ISO in the D6 will be so high we can finally see into our souls.
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And oh yes ....... ISO 3,280,000
I'd shoot that at 1.4 in daylight with an ND filter. Just cuz.
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It would be interesting to put the D5 in a head to head comparison with the new Leica SL. Obviously the Nikon would kick it's butt but it would be interesting to know by how much in regard to AF speed, frame rate, buffer capability etc.
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interesting. they do not even mention the pixel count.
Or did I miss something?
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I don't think you missed anything, I just don't think the megapixel count was listed. I just checked the press release posted on dpreview and it looks to be 20.8mp. Below taken from the post here:

"Exhilarating Image Quality - The Nikon D5 delivers on the promise of stunning image quality with the adoption of a new, Nikon-developed 20.8-megapixel FX-format CMOS sensor. The camera is designed to achieve the optimized balance between the large full-frame sensor size, resolution and the new EXPEED 5 image processing engine. Users can be confident that images will have enhanced sharpness and clarity, faithful skin tones and the unequaled dynamic range that Nikon pros have come to love. EXPEED 5 also helps to enhance noise reduction, letting photographers take full advantage of the D5’s immense ISO range. When paired with legendary NIKKOR optics, the D5 is truly a tool to help photographers capture the sharpest images possible with astounding clarity and radiant colors."
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I'm not quite sure where the constant push for more bells and whistles come from but eventually I get the benefit. I've been a relatively late adopter of the last two Nikon iterations and I wonder if the the D6 will have been out for a while by the time I take up this D5. Perhaps this is one of the perks of needing the versatility of the SLR system - you may not need all of it but someone else does and this just keeps pushing the boundaries and that falls in everyone's favour eventually.
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Cat photo theory: I have a sneaking suspicion that what drives each new iteration of higher iso, low light focus tracking capability and shadow detail contrast is a competition between manufacturers to get the best photograph of a black cat in the dark
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It would be interesting to put the D5 in a head to head comparison with the new Leica SL. Obviously the Nikon would kick it's butt but it would be interesting to know by how much in regard to AF speed, frame rate, buffer capability etc.
Someone will, won't be long.
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i wonder what can we shoot at iso 3M...
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I have to admit it is notoriously difficult to capture my black cat moving around on the dark brown floor. Doesn't warrant the need to throw in six grand though.

I personally have nothing against the uber new techs manifesting within the latest and biggest cameras. They help raise the overall bar higher, and one day we will get to enjoy its benefit the way we take the level of high ISO performance the D3 brought us in 2007 for granted now.

On the other hand, at least both Canon and Nikon had enough wit not to force these beasts upon us customers by actually making a distinction between the pro flagships and the proconsumer high-end models. They don't expect ordinary people going great length to buy the 1Dx/D5 instead of the 5Ds/D810. Nothing lost for any of us, so why not.
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Unlike Apple who abandon the pro users Nikon has never forgotten the photojournalists and pros that made them what they are. Features like ultra high ISO aren't for the average forum member, it's for the journalist shooting action under moonlight. The D5 isnt aimed at the average forum member here. Nikons done a great job of building a wide range of cameras for every level from the beginning amateur to professionals. Canon has done an excellent job as well.
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X-ray, you are exactly right. If you need a D5, buy one; if you don't need a D5, don't buy one. Every professional sports photographer using Nikons will upgrade. You're right about Apple too; ancient Thunderbolt monitor and now an out-of-date MacPro.
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Unlike Apple who abandon the pro users Nikon has never forgotten the photojournalists and pros that made them what they are. Features like ultra high ISO aren't for the average forum member, it's for the journalist shooting action under moonlight. The D5 isnt aimed at the average forum member here. Nikons done a great job of building a wide range of cameras for every level from the beginning amateur to professionals. Canon has done an excellent job as well.
That's it exactly!
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the wider focus spread is going to be an important feature for many and one I've been complaining about ad nauseum. will be interesting to see how far into the corners the points reach

as well the dual slots is smart. choose dual XQD (which totally smoke !) or dual CF (legacy)
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ISO 3 Million? Yeah, that's useful for about .01 percent of photographers.
I'm not so sure that's true. Handheld night shooting with depth of field? High shutter speed / low light shooting. It basically allows you to shoot anyway you like in any situation. Sure, if you only like to be out on sunny days, it is useless... but to me, it is making photography available in a lot more situations.
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if you don't need a D5, don't buy one. ...
Thank you. Not only do I not need one, I don't even want one.
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Features aside, be sure to order an extended warranty with new Nikons as the company will do zero with any issues that develop outside of the warranty (like 15days on a 1000 click D610).
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It would be interesting to put the D5 in a head to head comparison with the new Leica SL. Obviously the Nikon would kick it's butt but it would be interesting to know by how much in regard to AF speed, frame rate, buffer capability etc.
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Now we may want to wait for a Df2 having the D5 sensor and image processor and none of the stupid design flaws of the Df...
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...Nikon has never forgotten the photojournalists and pros that made them what they are.
Well, let's just say Nikon remembered them, after Canon took about a third of their users back in the day. But it's good Nikon seems to have found its legs again. Maybe changes in company philosophy took hold; competition is always good in the market.

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Well, let's just say Nikon remembered them, after Canon took about a third of their users back in the day. But it's good Nikon seems to have found its legs again. Maybe changes in company philosophy took hold; competition is always good in the market.

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Now we may want to wait for a Df2 having the D5 sensor and image processor and none of the stupid design flaws of the Df...

You mean claiming it's just like a traditional mf camera, but sucks at focussing mf lenses? Yeah I used one, and Nikon's own AF F6 is waaay better at focussing mf lenses.
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Now we may want to wait for a Df2 having the D5 sensor and image processor and none of the stupid design flaws of the Df...
While I love the Df and its flaws, I will take an updated Df2 pronto.
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I have to admit it is notoriously difficult to capture my black cat moving around on the dark brown floor. Doesn't warrant the need to throw in six grand though.
Maybe consider an 18% grey cat, probably cheaper
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Unlike Apple who abandon the pro users Nikon has never forgotten the photojournalists and pros that made them what they are. Features like ultra high ISO aren't for the average forum member, it's for the journalist shooting action under moonlight. The D5 isnt aimed at the average forum member here. Nikons done a great job of building a wide range of cameras for every level from the beginning amateur to professionals. Canon has done an excellent job as well.
yes, every Apple I buy is more of a toy than the one before. What the hell is airdrop or the rest of the junk anyway. Apple already did everything a computer is supposed to do. If you are too lazy to master it, too bad.

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yes, every Apple I buy is more of a toy than the one before. What the hell is airdrop or the rest of the junk anyway. Apple already did everything a computer is supposed to do. If you are too lazy to master it, too bad.

Maybe it is about selling the genius services?
I'm still reeling after having migrated away from Apple's Aperture software. Its replacement, Photos, is borderline unusable. And I don't like Lightroom.
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yes, every Apple I buy is more of a toy than the one before. What the hell is airdrop or the rest of the junk anyway. Apple already did everything a computer is supposed to do. If you are too lazy to master it, too bad.

Maybe it is about selling the genius services?
If you're too lazy to master it, that's on you, not Apple.

I've got a '12 MacBook Air that runs OS9 era software in an emulator better and faster than it runs on the Wallstreet G3 PowerBook sitting next to it, at half of the purchase cost and being thinner than just the G3's LCD panel.

I think Apple know what they're doing just fine.
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You mean claiming it's just like a traditional mf camera, but sucks at focussing mf lenses? Yeah I used one, and Nikon's own AF F6 is waaay better at focussing mf lenses.
Yeah, the Nikon F6 has the best viewfinder for manual focusing of any AF camera. Plainly has one of the easiest focusing and best viewfinders of any camera period, especially after inserting one of the optional F6 focusing screens with focusing aids. The focusing is so precise and snaps into focus so decisively. One wonders why this kind of viewfinder couldn't be put into a DSLR. Probably the size of the prism (probably precludes popup flash) and cost.
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"Obviously"?

In image quality?

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I wasn't knocking the SL Roger I'm just curious how the SL would stack up against the D5 on a performance basis ... not IQ. It would give an idea about how much priority Leica have placed in this area. The SL has been aimed at the pro market after all and the D5 would probably be the current yard stick in actual field performance.
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I'm not so sure that's true. Handheld night shooting with depth of field? High shutter speed / low light shooting. It basically allows you to shoot anyway you like in any situation. Sure, if you only like to be out on sunny days, it is useless... but to me, it is making photography available in a lot more situations.
It also usually indicates better/less noise at more commonly used high ISO
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I also don`t think that the D5 will be necessary for the average snap shooter but professional photographer will benefit from cleaner high ISO files and it is good to see that Nikon is still going strong in developing such a technology.
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I'll take superb low light performance over more megapixels any day. I'm debating getting one but it would mean breaking my rule of never buying a new DSLR. But arguably, the D5 is the best qualities of both the D3S and 3X rolled into one and improved upon. That would sort me for pretty much all of my non Fuji photography. Albeit at a price.
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Yeah, the Nikon F6 has the best viewfinder for manual focusing of any AF camera. Plainly has one of the easiest focusing and best viewfinders of any camera period, especially after inserting one of the optional F6 focusing screens with focusing aids. The focusing is so precise and snaps into focus so decisively. One wonders why this kind of viewfinder couldn't be put into a DSLR. Probably the size of the prism (probably precludes popup flash) and cost.
The popup flash isn't the reason (the Df - D3 - D4 - D5 don't have any and nor does the new D500, which is a -good- surprise of some sort).

The only culprits are : manufacturing costs and, moreover, dumb marketing rules.

Otherwise, there is absolutely no reason why the F6 viewfinder couldn't be put into a FX Nikon DSLR.
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It also usually indicates better/less noise at more commonly used high ISO
At this point in CMOS sensor technology, most of the noise is photon noise inherent to the light. The electronic noise (a.k.a. read noise) is rather low. So achieving a higher signal level (an increased light energy to electrical charge conversion) is what makes mega-high ISO SNR possible. Of course the raw data is filtered using digital-signal processing in-camera at mega-high ISO levels as well.

Here's an example of input sensor read noise vs ISO for several cameras.
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