Sell M2 before or after CLA?
Old 10-02-2015   #1
FrankS
Registered User
 
FrankS's Avatar
 
FrankS is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Canada, eh.
Age: 62
Posts: 19,391
Sell M2 before or after CLA?

So, I bought an M2 with rigid Summicron today. I'd like to keep the lens. My question is, should I sell the body cheaply with the forewarning that it needs a CLA to make the shutter speeds function correctly, or spend more money to get it cla'ed first, then sell it for more?
__________________
my little website: http://frankfoto.jimdo.com/

photography makes me happy
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-02-2015   #2
Robert Lai
Registered User
 
Robert Lai is offline
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,635
You'll never make back the cost of the CLA. Also, most buyers have their own preferred repairpersons. So, don't CLA it.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-02-2015   #3
ornate_wrasse
Moderator
 
ornate_wrasse's Avatar
 
ornate_wrasse is offline
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,212
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankS View Post
should I sell the body cheaply with the forewarning that it needs a CLA...or spend more money to get it cla'ed first, then sell it for more?
As with most questions, the answer depends. There are a few variables that may influence your decision, i.e. how much will the CLA/Repair cost, how you feel about possibly not getting enough money from the sale to cover the cost of the CLA/Repair, whether you need the funds now or can wait for repairs to be made, etc.

That being said, I personally would likely spend the money to get the problem fixed as it will make the camera more attractive to purchase and will also appeal to a greater number of potential buyers. But I would certainly research the costs of a CLA/Repair and make my decision at least partly based on that.

Good luck with the sale, whatever you decide.

Ellen
__________________
Images

www.pbase.com/ornate_wrasse

Leica M9, Leica M6, Leica M3 - 21mm 3.4 Super Angulon, 28mm 2.8 Elmarit, 35mm Summicron, Nikkor SC 50mm 1.4, Carl Zeiss Jena 50mm 1.5, CV 75mm 2.5, Nikkor 8.5cm 2.0

Mamiya 6 - 50mm f4, 75mm f3.5, 150mm f4.5

Fuji X-Pro1 - 16-55mm f/2.8, 27mm f/2.8
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-02-2015   #4
Keith
On leave from Gallifrey
 
Keith's Avatar
 
Keith is offline
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,596
As long as you provide a receipt when selling it I would do the CLA first. Over the years I've bought far too many cameras that required a CLA post purchase.
__________________
---------------------------
flickr
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-02-2015   #5
aizan
Registered User
 
aizan's Avatar
 
aizan is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Torrance, CA
Age: 37
Posts: 4,586
what robert said. the only exception is if the CLA is done by someone with name recognition, e.g., DAG or Sherry Krauter. from what i've seen, that might even add value since it takes a while to get the camera back.
__________________
Ugly Cameras
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-02-2015   #6
Robert Lai
Registered User
 
Robert Lai is offline
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,635
I'm not speaking flippantly. I've had cameras beautifully overhauled by DAG, Gus Lazzari, Harry Fleenor, Krikor, Authorized Photo Service (Nikon), Clarence Gass, Leica USA, etc. I've provided all receipts. A CLA will at most gain you about 25 - 50% of your CLA cost back, if that.

I did it only because I personally feel bad about selling something that's not in top notch shape. However, that's just me. And, I've paid plenty for that feeling.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-02-2015   #7
bucs
Registered User
 
bucs's Avatar
 
bucs is offline
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Manila, PH
Age: 28
Posts: 389
Why don't you try selling it prior to CLA? If no one bites then send it in for CLA
__________________
Nathan
7107
Instagram
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #8
FrankS
Registered User
 
FrankS's Avatar
 
FrankS is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Canada, eh.
Age: 62
Posts: 19,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucs View Post
Why don't you try selling it prior to CLA? If no one bites then send it in for CLA
This makes sense, thanks.
__________________
my little website: http://frankfoto.jimdo.com/

photography makes me happy
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #9
13Promet
Registered User
 
13Promet's Avatar
 
13Promet is offline
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Milano - Italy
Age: 47
Posts: 318
CLA and keep it
__________________
The perfect traveller does not know his destination (Lao Tsu)

www.alessandrosaponaro.com

Instagram: a.saponaro.photography
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #10
FrankS
Registered User
 
FrankS's Avatar
 
FrankS is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Canada, eh.
Age: 62
Posts: 19,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by 13Promet View Post
CLA and keep it
I certainly would if I had more fun money or didn't already have a nice M2, and a few other M/ltm bodies.
__________________
my little website: http://frankfoto.jimdo.com/

photography makes me happy
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #11
Kwesi
Registered User
 
Kwesi is offline
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 497
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankS View Post
So, I bought an M2 with rigid Summicron today. I'd like to keep the lens. My question is, should I sell the body cheaply with the forewarning that it needs a CLA to make the shutter speeds function correctly, or spend more money to get it cla'ed first, then sell it for more?
Sounds like you bought a lens that came with a greatly reduced price camera.
Why not just sell the camera at a small profit with a statement the speeds will benefit from a CLA.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #12
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
 
Jamie Pillers's Avatar
 
Jamie Pillers is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Oakland, California
Posts: 4,030
Frank, you could sell me the camera for a dollar (U.S.) and then you wouldn't have to worry about the CLA... I'll take care of that. :-P
__________________
Talk to a stranger today!

Fuji X-H1; X-Pro1; XF10; Polaroid 250 (waiting for an 'art' project)

Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #13
FrankS
Registered User
 
FrankS's Avatar
 
FrankS is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Canada, eh.
Age: 62
Posts: 19,391
Yes Jamie, I could.

Are you still interested in film?
__________________
my little website: http://frankfoto.jimdo.com/

photography makes me happy
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #14
David Hughes
David Hughes
 
David Hughes's Avatar
 
David Hughes is offline
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,462
Hi,

My experience is that not only the obvious needs doing.

It does give you a problem because you never can be sure how people will react to a sale of a less than perfect camera. A few will buy and expect it to work anyway, most will expect a low price and a few will realise that there's a risk and plan for the known and unknown work. How to get the latter buyer escapes me and has done for many years.

I'll wish you luck.

Regards, David
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #15
Shac
Registered User
 
Shac is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: White Rock, BC, Canada
Posts: 1,099
Frank - does the M2 need it?
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #16
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
 
SolaresLarrave's Avatar
 
SolaresLarrave is offline
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: DeKalb, IL, USA
Age: 59
Posts: 7,476
Shac asked the question I was going to ask myself. Are you sure the camera needs a CLA, or you just think it may need it? Was it the lens cap for the lens you purchased or was it nicely priced?

In your shoes, I might aim for a quick sale: offer it at a low price (figure it out through the market) and warn that it may need a CLA. Recently, I've seen nice looking M2 bodies go for about $600. I'd offer you that much if I hadn't purchased an M2 already.

Although... the M2 and the M5 have a mysterious appeal to me... One because of its wonderful simplicity, the other, because of its extraordinary advances.
__________________
-Francisco
Check out
My Leica M4-2 Blog and/or
My Nikon D700 Neophyte's Guide
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #17
Godfrey
somewhat colored
 
Godfrey's Avatar
 
Godfrey is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 9,076
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankS View Post
So, I bought an M2 with rigid Summicron today. I'd like to keep the lens. My question is, should I sell the body cheaply with the forewarning that it needs a CLA to make the shutter speeds function correctly, or spend more money to get it cla'ed first, then sell it for more?
I agree with the notion that you rarely make back the price of the CLA, so I'd try selling it "as is" first, at a suitable price.

Once I have a camera serviced and working perfectly, I rarely want to let it go...
;-)

G
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #18
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
 
Rob-F's Avatar
 
Rob-F is offline
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The Show Me state
Age: 78
Posts: 5,989
Quote:
Originally Posted by 13Promet View Post
CLA and keep it
If you CLA it and shoot a roll with it, You'll keep it. I know, you already have one. You'll keep it anyway.
__________________
May the light be with you.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-03-2015   #19
FrankS
Registered User
 
FrankS's Avatar
 
FrankS is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Canada, eh.
Age: 62
Posts: 19,391
Sorry, just visiting my parents. I'll be back tomorrow.
__________________
my little website: http://frankfoto.jimdo.com/

photography makes me happy
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-04-2015   #20
FrankS
Registered User
 
FrankS's Avatar
 
FrankS is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Canada, eh.
Age: 62
Posts: 19,391
HI again. I'm back.

The camera and lens have been neglected and unused for maybe 20 years. Sometimes when winding on the shutter, the curtains don't stay and you have to wind on again. When the curtain does latch, and you release the shutter, you can see that the first curtain moves slowly, then the second curtain closes. The curtains themselves and the metal curtain caps are in good condition. I think it's just a matter of gummy lube.

No dents or scratches in the body, just bright marks and a sort of tarnish. There's no rust or indication of water damage. I'm going to get some lighter fluid and isopropyl alcohol to see which will clean that up. There are 2 pieces of chipped vulcanite: the largest is under the lens mount, the other is below the self timer lever. I have not tried the self timer lever. The frame selection lever does not move with the moderate amount of force I have used on it. Paint on rear door has some chips.

Serial # is 1012,xxx which puts it at what year of manufacture?

I'm selling other gear locally on kijiji. I'm raising cash to buy a used motorcycle that I'd like to try to fix up for resale. If successful, I will just keep both body and lens. Then eventually get them cla'ed.
__________________
my little website: http://frankfoto.jimdo.com/

photography makes me happy
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-04-2015   #21
Richard G
Registered User
 
Richard G's Avatar
 
Richard G is offline
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: 37,47 S
Posts: 5,148
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hughes View Post
Hi,

My experience is that not only the obvious needs doing.

It does give you a problem because you never can be sure how people will react to a sale of a less than perfect camera. A few will buy and expect it to work anyway, most will expect a low price and a few will realise that there's a risk and plan for the known and unknown work. How to get the latter buyer escapes me and has done for many years.

I'll wish you luck.

Regards, David
This is the main argument I suppose for the apparently losing strategy of doing the CLA and then selling. This usually doesn't recoup the cost of the CLA in one analysis of it, but getting a fair price for the camera at the going rate for a functioning camera is lost in this view of it. The alternative is selling without CLA for a major loss, potentially more than the cost of the CLA, on the expectation that the camera may need hundreds spent on it, but the possibility it's just a minor adjustment and the new owner is the major winner.
__________________
Richard
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-04-2015   #22
goamules
Registered User
 
goamules is offline
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,802
If badly broken, fix it cheaply (Xosin Ye).
If just dry, or the shutter speeds off, don't CLA it.

An M2 in the second condition (barely working) will sell for about $500-600. If you do a $200 CLA, it will still sell from $550 to 700. You will lose money, unless you write a fantastic ad, and get a lot of bidders.
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-04-2015   #23
Godfrey
somewhat colored
 
Godfrey's Avatar
 
Godfrey is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 9,076
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankS View Post
... Serial # is 1012,xxx which puts it at what year of manufacture? ...
According to Leica Wiki, that puts it as a 1960 production camera.
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...n/index.php/M2

G
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-04-2015   #24
FrankS
Registered User
 
FrankS's Avatar
 
FrankS is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Canada, eh.
Age: 62
Posts: 19,391
Thanks Godfrey! I'm looking forward to see how it cleans up tomorrow.
__________________
my little website: http://frankfoto.jimdo.com/

photography makes me happy
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-04-2015   #25
Contarama
Registered User
 
Contarama is offline
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Tulsa
Posts: 1,249
You bought it without the CLA so maybe someone else would too?
__________________
Art is the ability to make something...even if it is a big mess...
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-04-2015   #26
sc_rufctr
Leica nuts
 
sc_rufctr is offline
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 1,202
I'd try selling as is. Give it a fair go and see what happens.
__________________
Peter

Adelaide, South Australia
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-06-2015   #27
FrankS
Registered User
 
FrankS's Avatar
 
FrankS is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Canada, eh.
Age: 62
Posts: 19,391
Resolution: Body sold pre-CLA (on another site)

This infusion of cash allows me to keep the rigid Summicron lens and have it serviced.
__________________
my little website: http://frankfoto.jimdo.com/

photography makes me happy
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-06-2015   #28
btgc
Registered User
 
btgc's Avatar
 
btgc is offline
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hughes View Post
It does give you a problem because you never can be sure how people will react to a sale of a less than perfect camera. A few will buy and expect it to work anyway, most will expect a low price and a few will realise that there's a risk and plan for the known and unknown work.
Decades old camera is not new, serviced or not, but some people living on their own dream worlds clearly dismiss this simple fact and can turn a week or months of seller's life into nightmare.

Ah, it's sold already. Great outcome.
__________________
MyFlickr
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-06-2015   #29
ChrisPlatt
Thread Killer
 
ChrisPlatt's Avatar
 
ChrisPlatt is offline
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Queens NYC
Age: 58
Posts: 2,825
Glad it worked out for you Frank. Enjoy the lens.
I'm still looking for a good deal on an M2 from 1961.

I always have a newly acquired camera serviced anyway,
so why not buy a bargain with a few repairable flaws?

This also allows me to spread out the cost over time.
I call this my "Bottom Feeder's Installment Plan"...

Chris
__________________
Bring back the latent image!
  Reply With Quote

Old 10-07-2015   #30
Robbie Bedell
Registered User
 
Robbie Bedell is offline
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 60
I am going through this right now. I bought a second Leica 50mm Focotar 2 and it turned out to be dirty inside. I did not feel good about re-selling it that way, so I had it cleaned by DAG. I have been trying to sell it and now am slowing realizing that I will take a loss...live and learn.
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:11.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.