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New to me Rolleiflex, should I send it back?
Old 04-11-2016   #1
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New to me Rolleiflex, should I send it back?

Hello all, I just received my 3.5 Xenotar and while the function appears to be excellent, I'm very concerned about the lens. Please take a look at the photos attached and tell me what you think.

Some I think is reflection, and a little would be the LED flashlight I used, but even still you can see a LOT of marks. I can send it back to the seller. Please advise.






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Old 04-11-2016   #2
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Did you buy it from a store? If so, check their return policy and, by all means, return it. That's a bit too dusty.

Did you buy it off eBay? Same thing: check with the vendor about returns. If there's none... test it. It may be the case that these little flaws have no effect on the image and nothing is lost.

In any event, I'd start saving for a lens CLA or clean-up or something in case I'm unable to return the camera.

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Old 04-11-2016   #3
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It's logical that old lenses have gathered some dust etc.-but this is too much, I would advise you to send it back if you can...The succes-rate of cleaning fungus(???-can't see it clearly) in lenses in uncertain and it will cost YOU time & money.
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I have a zuiko 50 that looks just as bad but it's performance is still very good. Of course it only cost me 5 to get it. If I was you I would probably return the camera, especially if you paid a high price tag.
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Old 04-11-2016   #5
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You guys don't seem to think its pitting or glass damage... thats good. Yes Ebay. I should be able to return it... but cleaning locally could be cheap. No way to test it in the return period of 14 days though...

How do you know its dust or fungus?
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Old 04-11-2016   #6
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I just received a Rolleiflex and I took mine apart and cleaned but it didn't look that bad.
It's the rear shots that has the white spots I worry about. I would ask for more than
14 day's to get it checked out
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Fungus looks usually like this (picture taken from Google)


Specs of dust are more randomly scattered inside the lens.
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Old 04-11-2016   #8
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Three possibilities- dust, fungus, or oil/grease (Yashicas are known for spraying oil on the rear lens element over time, but this can happen to Rolleis).

Are you certain that it is inside? Have you cleaned the back of the lens? Very carefully, of course. Glass and optics can play tricks.

Fungus will usually have some sort of threading or fractal quality to its look. Take a magnifying glass to the spots and see. The things that makes me hopeful is that there is so much of it and it doesn't appear to have major dense areas like you would expect a living organism to have. Random distribution is more often dust or oil. But it's hard to tell form the photos exactly, and my experience with fungus is limited, thankfully.

Both oil and fungus can etch the glass or the coatings. So a cleaning might not solve things.

If you paid good money I would simply return it and try again. No sense going through the cleaning process unless there's a good reason like a great price or such.

As an aside, removing the rear lens group is not very difficult. It's risky but if you are comfortable trying let me know and I can walk you through it. This will also give you access to the back of the front group.
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Yes that what's I used on my Rollei a good lens spanner.
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A suggestion if I may. Make sure that the spaner you buy has rounded tips. The first one I bought had so sharp ends that could easily scratch glass or metal if I was not careful enough.
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You can also grind the tips of needle-nosed pliers to make a lens spanner that will handle the 3.5 Xenotar without a problem. Well, as long as you don't slip and scratch your lens.

Once loosened, a single small screwdriver can be used to rotate the group out. And to put it back in up to the final tightening.

Of course you can easily ruin a lens by playing with metal next to it.
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My 3.5F Xenotar looks like that when I shine a light through it.
It was sent somewhere, and was diagnosed as having issues with the coatings on the inner elements.
If you paid top dollar you might want to return it, but if you got a good price maybe keep it.
My 3.5 Xenotar is still like that and is still probably the sharpest medium format lens I have.
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I would shoot a roll first before starting to take things apart, and see how the photos come out. Or you might ending up making a non problem into a real problem. But if you paid top dollar and are in any way uncertain, by all means, return it.
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Without a doubt I would say yes. Send it back. Some of the spots appear to be fungus. Contrary to popular belief fungus does not just look like spider webbing. It also can look like whitish or gray spotting.
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Thanks guys... appreciate your help even if it means I need to part with my new Rollei....
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Btw I paid $1400 which I think means top dollar? If not... stop me and ill get it cleaned myself.
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That is top dollar. You should get it back. Best of luck!
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Old 04-11-2016   #19
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Ok, just as I thought.

I have sent the seller a "request" for a return, but Ebay seems pretty proud of their money back guarantee. I submitted my claim less than 24 hours from receipt, so hopefully all works out.
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$1400 seems pretty high for a 3.5 Xenotar. Not that they're not great cameras, but for $1000 or less you should be able to find one recently serviced in excellent condition. That amount of dust in the lens, even though it may not be noticable in photos, is unacceptable for the price you paid.

If you get your money back, I'd check a reputable dealer like Harry Fleenor or Igor's Camera Exchange - they should have a great selection of Rolleis for less than what you paid.

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Btw I paid $1400 which I think means top dollar? If not... stop me and ill get it cleaned myself.
For that much money it should be clean, the seller most likely never
put a flashlight through the lens like you did.
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Most definitely return it at that price you paid.

You should be able to find a good user 2.8 for that price.
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For that much money I'd expect a perfect condition 3.5F. Yes do send it back.
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It doesn't matter. 1400 of anything sensible - USD, Euros, GBP, Swiss francs, even Canadian pesos - it should be returned.
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Defects in lenses such as fungus haze micro scratches are common. See if you can negotiate a partial refund or send back. Have it cleaned or recoated. The camera will most likely need to be cleaned lubed and adjusted unless done recently anyhow.
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The seller agreed to a return.

It's hard to believe that I can get something better for $1k (yes USD) less... but that's great to hear. Thanks guys!
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The seller agreed to a return.

It's hard to believe that I can get something better for $1k (yes USD) less... but that's great to hear. Thanks guys!


I didn't know that price is going up that high. I paid 600$ last year for a 3,5f xenotar in fair condition
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Old 04-15-2016   #28
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Well, I may be picky about condition, too. This one looks fantastic, with exception of that lens.
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