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Of course, I am aware of this critical point, Bob.
This is why I am taking my time to look deeper into what I need to get.
When the Nikon CoolScan III was still current, I had it, and I liked it for 35mm negatives and slides scans. Now it is obsolete.

The purchase of a good scanner (or two), would imply independence from commercial scanning.
Some folks consider defects essential features.

Flatbeds and 35mm are fine if your primary output is the Web. Or if you're really pick about prints and only want 4x6 prints. I've printed color in a darkroom, so perhaps I expect a lot.
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Note to Self:

Ban Self from all future scanning discussions. Self: Enjoy prints made from 35mm originals and printed up 12" x 18" and viewed from the proper distance.

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Do you recommend getting BetterScanning inserts and glass or do you use the Epson inserts?

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I've had a v700 for quite a while now and am perfectly satisfied with the output in 35mm, 120 and 5x4. It's versatile, easy to use and I'm not looking to replace it anytime soon.
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I myself have a V700, no complains so far.

Though a few buddies of mine have encountered 'haze/fogging' on the glass of their scanners.
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My experience with the V700 has been (how to put this!) 'very positive' with scanning 35mm film - slides and negatives. I have also used it for 120 and of course it is very good for that too.
When I compare the A4 inkjet prints I get from the scans of 35mm - with my wet prints (8x10) from my days in the darkroom - I am content to stick with the modern set-up. To my eye they are as good or better than I could get in the old darkroom. I just did an A4 inkjet print from a well exposed negative of my nephew - head shot, Summitar (1948) on the M4 - and the rendition is superb.
However I found one thing to be critical. And I have a chap on an english site to thank for this tip (it has been mentioned above also). That is to adjust the feet on the Epson 35mm film holder by rotating them until the arrow points to the + sign. It made a world of difference in the clarity/sharpness of the result. After much experimentation I have also decided to let the V700 apply medium unsharp mask when scanning. It seems to give all the snap I want from the outset.
I have blundered about for years to get this far, and I am conscious that there is still much to learn. It's a lonely path. But much, much better than being isolated in the darkroom.
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I myself have a V700, no complains so far.

Though a few buddies of mine have encountered 'haze/fogging' on the glass of their scanners.
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The fogging is true of all flatbed scanners. Something to do with out gassing of the internal parts. Take it apart. Clean the glass. Put it back together again. An annual chore with my Epson Expression 1680.

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As a first step, I just purchased an EPSON V700 scanner. I will try it out first.
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Good! If you learn how to use it, it's all you may ever need.

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So you use the Epson film inserts, Wayne?
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Yes I do. For 35mm (mounted slides & film), 120 (6x6 & 6x7) and 4x5.
I have thought seriously about buying 1 or 2 of the BetterScanning holders. Alas, funds have not dropped from a tree yet.

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While deciding on possible film holder upgrade, maybe consider going to a local framing shop and having some anti-reflective glass cut to fit the Epson holders. Very inexpensive. That will help some with keeping the film flat.
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Thanks for the tip, Gary. Do I need two layers for sandwiching the negatives?
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Thanks for the tip, Gary. Do I need two layers for sandwiching the negatives?
Not if you use the original holders. Two layers degrades (I think) the image. Also, too many surfaces for dust to collect. Also, you can try putting the negs directly on the scanner glass with the AR glass on top.
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I will try wht you have suggested. Thanks.
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Anyone heard of this scanner? The Wolverine F2D8 8 MP 35mm Slides and Negatives to Digital Image Converter.http://www.amazon.com/Wolverine-F2D8...I2U8PUYP8LDJ9V
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I have the Epson 600 with the Better Scanning glass and I am very happy with them. I do not use the Epson frames, I just lay the negatives on the glass and cover them with the Better Scanning glass.

You have to use the "professional" mode and must put all the options off. The software to adapt the histogram is wonderful. There is a densitometer that is very useful.

When the scan is made, the picture should be finished in Photoshop. A little sharpening is enough to sharpen the grain of the film.

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Here are a couple from my V500. I just use the epson standard film holders.


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GOOGLE Ken Lee scanning tips. Ken's tutorial makes all the difference.
That scary moment when you click on a link about scanning. Scary because you might find out you're doing it all wrong. But you click because ... how else will get better?

Result: worth the Google, if only for the peace of mind :-) I shoot color, but if you're into BW the "only scan the green layer" tip is fascinating and not something I'd have ever thought up on my own.
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Get the best your money can afford. V700 is a lot better than V600. If you cannot afford the V700, the V600 will be o.k.
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V600 does 120. V700 does LF.
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V600 does 120. V700 does LF.

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can they do 120 negs?
V600 does 120. V700 does LF.
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i've owned the 600, 750 and now the 850. The 850 is amazing. The holder are amazing (35mm and MF). The scan times are amazing. Get the 800/850.

People don't seem to understand how the MF holders work for the new 800/850. The film tucks under the tabs and is supported very nicely.
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Raid --

Oops... Old thread! I had posted on this a couple year ago!
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Do all versions still work with Windows 10? When I updated to Win10 last year, both my flatbed and my Plustec 7200 negative scanner stopped working. There is no fix or driver to make them work now, they are worthless pieces of plastic. I'm back doing darkroom printing until I pick a scanner. I do want something that can scan at least an 8x10 size negative, if I'm going to spend the money.
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4x5 with V550. Two scans. Photoshop Elements does the stitching. If money is limited it is not the best, but still the option.
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Do all version still work with Windows 10? When I updated to Win10 last year, both my flatbed and my Plustec 7200 negative scanner stopped working. There is no fix or driver to make them work now, they are worthless pieces of plastic. I'm back doing darkroom printing until I pick a scanner. I do want something that can scan at least an 8x10 size negative, if I'm going to spend the money.
Have you tried Vuescan? Vuescan works with it's own drivers under Win 10, the Plustec is even mentioned on the Vuescan pages (https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/plus...film_7200.html. I'm still using my Canon FS4000 on SCSI, using Vuescan.
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I have not tried that. But I did spend about 5 hours reading many pages and trying many drivers and scan techniques, even TWAIN, to no avail. That was about 6 months ago. I just did another search for "Plustek Windows 10" and don't see any new success stories. I think I'll have to pitch this scanner, and buy a new one. Gotta love Microsoft, who we can be sure is working on Windows 11 right now - which will disable even more of our useful hardware.
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Wow, before you "pitch it", give Vuescan a try (you can try before you buy). He supports 115 Plustek scanners, including the 7200 & 7200i (https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/plus...al-information). Otherwise, you can mail it to me and I'll dispose of it.
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I use Epson 700 for half-frame 35 and I'm pleased with the results from it as well as larger sized negatives.
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I am an actual and happy user of a V600. It can scan 120 and 35mm.

I print in A4 size; the V600 resolution is more than good enough from 35mm, even below the scanner max resolution prints are perfect. Results are exceptionally good for 120. I use the native Epson Scan software, and Epson's Easy Photo Print for printing (I use a L210 because of the ink tanks, and it works wonderfully for me).

The V700 is better than the V600 and can also scan LF (I believe up to 4x5), but I do not have extensive experience with one.

A good holder and taking care of dust are important.

None of these flatbeds would set you back too much; in your position I'd start with a V700 and learn to use it well. You can always use a professional scanning service if you need it, once in a while.
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I'm in the camp of dedicated scanner for 35mm. I have the old ED5000 Nikon and I hope it work for a long time. When it will die ...hmm I'll go full probably...
For 120 film (and Polaroid/Impossible) my V600 makes a decent job, it depend on what size you plan to print.
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I am an actual and happy user of a V600. It can scan 120 and 35mm.

I print in A4 size; the V600 resolution is more than good enough from 35mm, ... snip
That's about my experience. I'm very happy with 12x18 print from 6x9cm MF film with scans from the V500. That's roughly 6x the linear dimension of the film.

Your A4 from 35mm will be about 8x. Close enough.
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So, I was practicing last night with wisdom of green channel and else, which was mentioned here. To be honest, if negative is good, it makes no difference at all. At least with my trusty V500 in professional, yet, auto exposure mode. Well, even with bad, barely readable negs, my V500 and its native software does it for me.
And the only reason to use VueScan is if no other good software was provided. The software I have with old Plustek and new PacificImage was awful.

Keeping negatives in the book to get them flat is most effective solution to me, instead of taping film and fingers grease to scanner glass or dealing with "better glass".

Take it easy and straight with Epson and it will take care of your negatives.
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I use a V500 for both 35mm and 120. I use a Better Scanning tray (120) and a BS glass (35mm). I don't use a 3rd party software. I use the Epson software and use Swift!'s method for color and I also use his method although simpler for B&W. Then post processing is just a matter of levels.

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That's about my experience. I'm very happy with 12x18 print from 6x9cm MF film with scans from the V500. That's roughly 6x the linear dimension of the film.

Your A4 from 35mm will be about 8x. Close enough.
I wasn't happy with the quality of 6x9 (6x) black and white prints of scans of 35mm from a V700, so I ended up getting a film scanner. The V700 scans looked mushy to me. Perhaps prints from color negatives which have more amorphous dye clouds would be acceptable.
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I think that being satisfied or not from the scans (in this case from a flatbed) depends very much on how large you desire to print, given that you have a good (properly exposed and developed) negative. The "book trick" suggested by Ko.Fe works well!

If you plan not to print large it could be worthwhile to spare money on the scanner for the common stuff and in case of need a large print to have it scanned professionally.

Just an idea...

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FWIW, I've owned an Epson v700 for a few years now. Also owned a Nikon 9000ED a couple of years ago. Sold the Nikon, kept the Epson. 'Nuff said.

The Nikon was a terrific machine, but when I did A-B comparisons between the Epson / Nikon, the difference wasn't that significant. For a cost-to-benefit ratio, I couldn't rationalize keeping the Nikon. Plus, the Nikon software was a pain to use.

I don't have any complaints about 35mm on the Epson v700. Once you get the proper tray height (and maybe some ANR glass) the results are pretty decent. Again, it takes some trail and error to get the results you want.

Here's a 35mm scan done at 1200dpi on the v700. Zenit 122 with Helios-44M lens, and Fomapan 400. Plenty sharp enough for me.

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