HELP wanted with ailing Minolta 5400 scanner
Old 05-18-2017   #1
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HELP wanted with ailing Minolta 5400 scanner

Whilst undertaking an intensive Vuescan scanning session yesterday my Minolta 5400 scanner stopped working. Up to this point it had been a lot noisier than usual during the focussing stage - straining you might say.

The film holder would not eject and seemed to be stuck with the ejection motor whirring away.
Brute force and ignorance got the film holder out,but it could not be reinserted.

Switched off,removed power lead and USB lead,left for 15mintes,then connected them up again and switched on.

Vuescan then tells me that ‘no scanner is connected - so gave up.

This morning 12 hours later,switch on,and scanner is working again.

Is the very noisy focussing operation a factor in the failure ?

Is the scanner overheating - and needing some cooling down time - a factor ?

Any helpful suggestions as to a likely cause would be very much appreciated.
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Old 05-20-2017   #2
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Hi M,

The 5400 has three independent movement mechanisms with three separate motors. I have marked the motors below:



No. 3 is the focus engine. It uses a gear train to move the film holder's carrier left and right. The gears are made out of plastic and are not very resistant. They may eventually break, and create trouble. But what you describe does not seem to be related to this mechanism.

No. 2 is the film holder's transport mechanism. It also uses a gear train to move the film holder itself left and right. The finicky plastic gears use in this gear train can also erode or break eventually. What you describe seems to have to do with these gears. It probably was not a good idea to force the film holder out. You probably damaged one or two of the gears by doing so, and although they work right now, they may give out under pressure.

The gear trains for the last two mechanisms are pretty simple and can be repaired with care if you have the spare parts.

No. 1 is the precision motor for scanning film transport, and is not to be messed with. The scanning transport mechanism uses a very robust drive shaft mechanism, and it is rather unlikely to break down unless under dire circumstances. It moves the whole film holder carrier back and forth.

I think all the three motors are stepper motors, although I might be wrong.

Below is the gear train for film holder transport:



This is located right behind Motor No. 2. It consists of one metal gear on the engine shaft itself, and a gear train including four plastic gears. Unfortunately I don't have a picture with all the four gears, but you see the naked shafts for Gear 3 and Gear 4 here instead.

Gear 4 engages directly with the cavities that you can see on the bottom surface of your film holders. It is actually the pinion for the rack and pinion mechanism that drives the holder back and forth (film holder is the rack). This gear is made from a material harder than the others and yet it is the one that often gets damaged.

I had similar issues with the holder transport mechanism, and finally last night I could change the damaged gear with one that I salvaged from a broken 5400. It was a rather easy fix, but I know it won't last forever. I am also thinking maybe we can 3D-print or cast this piece. I am sure there are plenty of 5400s lying around with that gear broken.

If I were you I would keep my eyes open for a broken 5400 on the eBay to use for spare parts, just in case. I actually got mine here, from a mate who was kind enough to send me his broken scanner.

Hope that helps.
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Old 05-21-2017   #3
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Mszargar...

Thank you very much for your helpful response.

I shall now go and lie down in a dark room for a while,and pluck up the courage to open the scanner up and see your photographs in the flesh !

Whether I'll achieve anything when I get there is of course another matter.

Malcolm.
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Old 05-21-2017   #4
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Hi Malcolm,

Don't touch it if it works properly.

If you have to open it, just do very gently, step by step. Know that the screws with red glue are not supposed to be opened (or you will need recalibration of some pieces with slim tolerance). Take photos of every step. Study the connections of the different parts and the mechanisms in front of you before proceeding to the next step. Getting to the holder transport mechanism requires removing two surfaces (apart from removing the case shell). When removing the second one, be careful not to put undue pressure on the focus mechanism by pushing the screwdriver too harshly on the screws.

And also, have a look at this service manual: http://manualzz.com/doc/1450918/mino...service-manual

It leaves out the kind of repair that you need to do, but still gives you a good idea of what you will be dealing with.

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