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What . . . We ain't got no slide projecting forum?
Old 06-22-2010   #1
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What . . . We ain't got no slide projecting forum?

What's up with that? I wanted to talk about slide projectors!

Somebody start one!
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Old 06-22-2010   #2
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Recently picked up a Rollei P350A for $40. Love it. Prefer it over a newer Kodak Ektagraphic III I have.

What do people do with storage? I keep my slides in sleeves, but for ones I want to project now or in the new future, I have them in my 80/140 carousels. With the straight strays what do you use? I noticed Adorama carries a carrying case that holds 6(?) straight trays... looks handy.
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I recently came into possession of my dad's old slides from the 60s and 70s, and my aunt just found a box of old slides of my grandfather's dating back into the 50s (I think). Slide projector research is on my list of things to do! I also bought a carousel and holders at a garage sale this past weekend for $1... LOL
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Agreed, we need such a forum! In the last few months, I have acquired a Pradovit CA 2500 and Color 250. These projectors are built like tanks. There are many choices regarding lenses and condensers, but info is hard to find. I also have straight trays, and means to mount slides into glass carriers (Leitz Dia Proloc). With digital madness in full swing, people are throwing this stuff into dumpsters. For shame.

What are you guys using for projector stands and screens?
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Old 06-23-2010   #5
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Hmmpf. I see we've been relegated to the miscellaneous forum. Leitz projectors thrown in with the bags and cable releases.

I use Ektagraphic projectors, and recently picked up a Leitz RT-300. I also use Hasselblad PCP-80.

I got the Leitz RT-300 after reading a few posts around cyberspace, that it has a whiter light than the Kodak projectors. It uses a dichroic mirror rather than the greenish heat absorbing filter of Carousels, Ektagraphics, and most others. I'm finding that when I do a two-projector dissolve show, with one RT-300 and one Ektagraphic, I don't notice any difference in color cast between them, as the two machines alternate. So maybe it's not a big deal.

The RT-300 runs a little quieter than some of my old Ektagraphics, that like to rattle and clatter. That's good. Two or three of my Ektagraphics (I have six) are just as quiet as the RT-300. I can change a lamp in the RT-300 from behind the projector, without having to flip it upside down or disturb its alignment. That's good. The projection lens has to be inserted into a tunnel. This makes it hard to use my Schneider PC lenses, and impossible to use my large Golden Navitar lenses. That's bad. The RT-300 is larger and bulkier than my Ektagraphics. If I were to switch to all RT-300, I'd build new stands for them, or modify the ones I already built.

Any comments from other RT-300 or Ektagraphic users?
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How interesting. I just donated 20 120 rotary trays to a local thrift shop as I didn't have a projector that would take that large a size. I got them in a large lot off ebay some years ago. They didn't fit my Vivitar projector. I did keep the smaller rotary trays and the straight trays. I need to do more slide photography. I always loved projected slides. I hope digital matches that some day. (runs into bunker, closes vault door)
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I recently gave my carousel projector and 18 trays and projector table away to my local photo store to use as a rental outfit. ScanCafe.com is in the process of scanning all those chromes for me.
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Hey--thanks for this forum!!
I have RT-300s, which I believe were made by Telex for Leica.
Telex did modify the internal optics for Leica.
I have 2 and they do not autofocus very well.
Most of my slides are viewed with an Ektagraphic IIIA, a Leica Color 250 and a Xenon 750.
The 750 is REALLY bright and white!
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Xenon 750: is that a projector? With a Xenon lamp?

I forgot to mention: I plugged my Kodak Ektagraphic programmable dissolve control model 2 into the RT-300 to test compatibility. The Rt-300 started cycling the tray around continuously, even though I was not pressing any buttons on the dissolve control. It does this even with the dissolve box turned off and unplugged!

If I plug in my entre 7903 dissolve control, the projector runs normally.

If plugging in the Kodak control makes the projector advance, then the Kodak box must be wired in a way that is incompatible with the projector. That would have to be true. However: the entre box is compatible with both the RT-300 and the Ektagraphic. And the Kodak box is compatible with the Ektagraphic. (Well duh, Kodak made them both.) Now, you would think that if both controllers work with the Ektagraphics, and one works with the RT-300, then the other one should work, too. But, no. So I will have to trace out all these circuits to see why the Kodak unit won't work with the RT-300.

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I bought a P600 a couple years ago and fixed up a square of matt finish foam board as a permanent screen.I picked up that tip over on photonet.
Always thought that the disadvantage of slides was the setting up.
Now I don`t have to.
The slides (dating back to `73 ) are housed in Leica slide trays.
Mostly K25/64/200.
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Another vote for a dedicated subforum. I mean, come on, surely there are more of us than there are XPan users.
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Rob-F--the Xenon 750 uses a modified Ektagraphic IIIA on a base that contains the 750 watt Xenon lamp and the lamp's power supply.
Really makes for a bright, white image.
Here's a link:
http://www.usedav.com/2774/navitar-x...-lens-and-case

The price they are asking is quite high--you can find them for much less.
Fun to play with!
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Another vote for a dedicated subforum.
Agreed! I need it badly, too!
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Old 06-24-2010   #14
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Hey, I want a better projector! One that does 120...

Yes, a projector forum.
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And yet, another vote for a dedicated subforum.
Three Elmo Omnigraphics (one spare) Kodak dissolve, Tascam 133 (tape deck) and two real nice Elmo lenses.
Abodia slide cabinet with 1500 slides. 6 rolls of unexposed Velvia in my freezer.
A well exposed slide projected in a darkened room on a good screen is pretty nice.
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I have a Reflecta Diamator AF - bought from Ebay for a pocket-money price. To go through my in-laws 30+ year-old slides is a fantastic experience.
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Old 06-24-2010   #17
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Sounds like we have a lot of interest here. when we get our dedicated subforum, I'll tell you about my Dimension 150 Kollmorgen Super Curvulon projection lens.
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Piling on, OK?
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Does this mean I can sell my Bell & Howell Slide Cube projector and retire?
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Okay, well after seeing this thread I finally just went over to ebay and bought a slide projector. I got a Vivitar 3000AF for $15... LOL!

It came today and it works perfectly. I recently came into possession of my dad's old slides (he passed away in 2001) so we're going to have a view party now!

And my aunt just recently discovered a box of slides in her basement with at least 500 slides from HER dad (my grandfather)... so another viewing party there!

I'm so happy right now

BTW... my 16yo daughter thought the slide projector was about the coolest thing she ever saw. She wanted to know why they aren't popular anymore... LOL. Sometimes I swear she was born in the wrong decade. This is a girl who still types (on a typewriter... not electric) letters to her friends after she begged me to buy her one at the thrift shop.

I'm sure the Vivitar isn't the best projector of it's type... but it will get the job done!
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What are you guys using for projector stands and screens?
Here's how I hold up my projectors. It's all home-built from plywood and particle board. This is how my setup looks at the moment. It changes as I experiment or want to look at a show that calls for a change in setup. A difficulty with multiple projectors is that only one of them can occupy the ideal zero degree position: not having to be aimed up or down, left or right. This can be solved with perspective control lenses. At the moment, the top projector in the center stack is wearing a Golden Navitar PC lens, and the lower projector has a Schneider/Isco PC lens. The left and right machines at this moment have Schneider Vario-Prolux 70-120mm f/2.8 zooms.

I'll show what I use for a screen later on.
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Agreed, we need such a forum!

What are you guys using for projector stands and screens?
When I was kid, Cinerama, CinemaScope, VistaVision, and Todd-AO all came out, followed by UltraPanavision70 and SuperPanavision70. I was always fascinated by the idea of curved screens, and I've built a few. As a kid I decided that when I grew up, I was going to show my slides on a big wide screen. This one is in my basement. It's 8 feet wide. I built a curved wood frame and used foam-core board as the screen surface.
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Yes agreed! This is an under-appreciated technology. I've done gallery exhibitions with slides, and there are always very positive comments about the image quality and ambience of the viewing experience.
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Here's how I hold up my projectors. It's all home-built from plywood and particle board. This is how my setup looks at the moment. It changes as I experiment or want to look at a show that calls for a change in setup. A difficulty with multiple projectors is that only one of them can occupy the ideal zero degree position: not having to be aimed up or down, left or right. This can be solved with perspective control lenses. At the moment, the top projector in the center stack is wearing a Golden Navitar PC lens, and the lower projector has a Schneider/Isco PC lens. The left and right machines at this moment have Schneider Vario-Prolux 70-120mm f/2.8 zooms.

I'll show what I use for a screen later on.
That's quite a decent set up. Care to comment on the PCP80?
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The PCP80 in the picture is one of two I have. This one came from the Royal Museum, I believe in Toronto--by way of eBay. It runs very smoothly and quietly. The perspective control allows me to mount the projector lower than the stack behind it, while still projecting a top-quality image. It has a connector in back for remote operation, but the plug style is unlike those I usually see on projectors.

My second PCP-80 came with a remote control for slide changing and focus. It has a connector on the back that is more similar to those I've seen on other projectors. I would probably use it more, but it makes noise while changing slides. I think it's coming from the rubber idler, but I haven't tried to find a replacement for it yet.

Both projectors deliver a bright, high quality image, easily surpassing 35mm, even if the slides were shot with Leica Aspherical lenses. Size matters. The images are shot for wide-screen projection, using either my XPan, or else shot in the Hasselblad and composed and later cropped for the 2:1 aspect ratio I use. It's not quite IMAX, but it is a lot like 70mm Super Panavision for image quality: just about the same film size.

Another thing I like about the PCP-80 is that a spare bulb can be brought into position instantly should the bulb fail during a show.

Although they are branded as Hasselblad, these projectors were actually built by Zeiss, and have Zeiss nameplates underneath.

I'd like to use my two PCP-80 machines together for a dissolve show, but I'm sort of out of room at the moment to be able to set them both up. And I would need a second 75mm lens--not easy to come by without a projector attached.
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I recently gave my carousel projector and 18 trays and projector table away to my local photo store to use as a rental outfit. ScanCafe.com is in the process of scanning all those chromes for me.
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And then... when you want to project or view the slides? I'll be quite a few years I think before 20+ Mpixel digital projectors are widely available. 4096 x 2400 pixels is probably the best anyone here might currently have access to and most people would probably be limited to 1080p or even 720i. There is no beamer or LCD panel that can compete with the image reproduction quality of a used $5 slide projector.

Remember also that your slides are your archive. They are your most effective and cost efficient means to archive your photographic images. Scans are an adjunct but not a replacement.

Its for these reasons (and a few more) than even many digital cognoscenti have their images rendered to film.
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Okay, well after seeing this thread I finally just went over to ebay and bought a slide projector. I got a Vivitar 3000AF for $15... LOL!

Amy, I thought you said you had already bought a Carousel projector. Didn't that one work?

What do you think about a sub-forum for projection? Looks like a fair amount of interest!
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Still waiting for a dedicated projector forum . . .
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I dunno. Are people really that excited about slide projectors?

I gave away my last slide projector a decade ago because I hadn't used it in 20 years. It was a nice Kodak Ektagraphic Carousel fitted with a Leitz lens. Lovely thing, sat unused in its case for so long I thought it might be frozen up. But it worked perfectly when I pulled it out.

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I like the idea of projecting slides, but I doubt I'd go beyond it being an idea.
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For thirty years a shot mainly slides .
When I came back to photography about ten years ago I carried on from where I left off shooting K64 and Fuji.
I bought a Leitz projector with a colourplan lens ,fixed up a white foam board permanent screen ,couldn`t have been happier.

Eighty percent of the slides a reloaded into trays ready to go.
I`ve scanned them all ,of course, but its not the same.

Kodak binned K64 as we know and the cost of shooting the remaining brands just became too high ...for me.

Shame ... its odd that there hasn`t been a renaissance as it other types of film media.
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Anyone into projecting medium format? Got a P11 but the intensity is a bit disappointing.
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I would love to see a projection/slide category. I shoot ONLY slide film (E6, DR5). I live all over the world (moving on average about every 3 years... Turkey being my last destination for 4 years) and most of the countries I go don't even have slide processing available. But slide projection is such a beautiful art that I have always been fine with waiting up to a year to get back home and having them developed. Talk about not needing instant results!

I have a Leica P600 with Colorplan projector and keep all my slides in two separate locations (one with me and another with my sister) just in case one batch gets messed up... it's like my backing up files i guess.
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I have a Leica RT300, but my multi-projector dissolve shows are run on Kodak Ektagraphic projectors, because I use large diameter wide angle lenses that don't fit the RT-300. The latter has a deep well or tunnel into which the lens goes. The tunnel makes the use of some lenses difficult or impossible. I could cut it back, as it's only sheet metal, but first I need to solve some compatibility issues with dissolve controllers that work great with my Ektagraphic projectors, and not with my RT-300.

Let's get the projector forum up and running!
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Let's get the projector forum up and running!
+ 1000 !!!

It is urgently needed!
Slide projection is offering the best quality for bigger enlargements at by far the lowest costs.
This medium is unsurpassed. You cannot get this performance with digital media or with prints from negative film.
Brillance, colour, contrast range, resolution, sharpness, the "three-dimensional-effect" you get with an excellent projection lens:
All at best quality with an excellent slide projector.
And there are so much excellent slide projectors available, both used and new!

This forum would benefit a lot with such a subforum ("competitor" apug does not have one ).
But the German language aphog.de has one, a big success, lots of traffic, very good information, and it attracts more forum members than other subforums there.

A slide projection (including all other relevant topics like slide mounts, screens etc.) subforum would improve rff significantly.
And now, with the new interest in reversal film encouraged by Film Ferrania, Adox and Rollei (for BW slides), it would be the right supporting signal.

Please, Mr Gandy .
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Yes, I am. I am projecting both 35mm and medium format (4,5x6 and 6x6).
I am using a Rolleivision 66 with the marvellous Schneider-Kreuznach AV-Xenotar 2,8/150.
Highly recommended!
Much much better than the P11.
And as you are not satiesfied with the "intensity", the Rolleivision 66 has better brightness and brillance compared to the P11.
The Rolleivision 66 AV is then even a little bit brighter (new condensor system) compared to the Rolleivision 66.
These both projectors are very cheap on the used market.
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I like the idea of a subforum on the topic of slide projectors.

It may also be useful to include topics like the scanning and display of slides on large screen televisions as well.

As nice as a projected transparency looks, I feel a properly scanned slide or negative, post photoshop, can look even better, and not as hard on the slide.
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I am interested in starting a section about the slide medium!
I have some mounted slides from a decade ago, and some more resent, and I am interested in seting a projection system.

I am also thinking that this might be a push to the industry as RFF is a legitimate pole of discussion about film photography!!!
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I use the Hasselblad PCP-80 with the 75mm wide-angle lens to project MF slides I have composed to, and then cropped to, a 2:1 aspect ratio. I modeled it after the look of 70mm Panavision (which is actually a little wider, at 2.21:1). My wife says it's just like being there.
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