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Canon Rangefinders - Peter Dechert and Peter Kitchingman Peter Dechert is best known for his Canon Rangefinder, Canon SLR, and Olympus Pen books, the latter two long out-of-print. He was a monthly columnist for many years for SHUTTERBUG magazine, and has contributed to many others. Most recently he has written about the pre-WW2 Zeiss 35mm cameras, but his interests in camera equipment and optics are many and varied. As a pro protographer and honorary life member of ASMP, Peter is also expert in using the gear! Peter Kitchingman - author of Canon Rangefinder Lens book Peter Kitchingman's 'Canon M39 Rangefinder Lenses 1939-71' book is the definitive source on these very interesting optics. His interests also go to the entire Canon Rangefinder system and beyond.

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Old 01-23-2017   #1
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hello everyone.before i start i know nothing about cameras.i picked up a canon camera in a local charity shop for 5 english pounds.i collect vintage stuff.the camera is made by canon it is in a full leather case and neck strap.it has a code number on top. 21448. written around the lens iscanon camera co. no 21296 serenar 1:2 f 5cm.it has made in occupied japan stamped in to the leather case.hopefully you can help me with this.?
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hello everyone.before i start i know nothing about cameras.i picked up a canon camera in a local charity shop for 5 english pounds.i collect vintage stuff.the camera is made by canon it is in a full leather case and neck strap.it has a code number on top. 21448. written around the lens iscanon camera co. no 21296 serenar 1:2 f 5cm.it has made in occupied japan stamped in to the leather case.hopefully you can help me with this.?
Show us a photo of it.

It could be a llB or something earlier.
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Hmm. Could be a very nice find:
https://www.cameraquest.com/crfs2.htm
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Old 01-23-2017   #4
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What a great find! The serenar 5cm f2 is the early version of the more common collapsible 5cm f1.9. The body is probably the sII or IIb as others have mentioned.
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If the camera has the tri-focal finder lever at the base of the film rewind knob and the slowest speed shutter speed on the top fast shutter speed dial is 1/20 th of a sec. then there is a good chance it is a IIB model.

The IIB was the first bottomloader model Canon to feature the tri-focal VF.
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Looking at your serial number and at Dechert’s book, it sounds like it’s a S-II. The 50/2 makes sense too.

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Proof that the cool stuff is often found by people not really looking for it.

It's a very collectible camera. I would love an S-II to go with my collapsible Nikkor 5cm f/2...
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If the camera has the tri-focal finder lever at the base of the film rewind knob and the slowest speed shutter speed on the top fast shutter speed dial is 1/20 th of a sec. then there is a good chance it is a IIB model.

The IIB was the first bottomloader model Canon to feature the tri-focal VF.
yes it does have1/20th on the dial
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there is a large screw fitting were i assume the film was loaded on the left hand side.than you for all your help
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If you can, supply a picture. That will help us identify your camera. Meanwhile, this may help you:

http://global.canon/en/c-museum/seri...inder&sort=old

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yes it does have1/20th on the dial
The important part is : does it have the tri-focal lever selector at the base of the re-wind knob or not?

This ID feature will tell us if it is a IIB versus an S II or an even earlier model.
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If you can, supply a picture. That will help us identify your camera. Meanwhile, this may help you:

http://global.canon/en/c-museum/seri...inder&sort=old

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hi thanks for that haveing looked it is a s11
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The important part is : does it have the tri-focal lever selector at the base of the re-wind knob or not?

This ID feature will tell us if it is a IIB versus an S II or an even earlier model.
yes it does have small lever.
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If it has the small lever, it's a IIB.

Look down at the top deck, far left side. If you see the numbers/letter "F, 1.5X and 1X," you have a IIB. If there are no numbers/letters, you have a SII.

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If it has the small lever, it's a IIB.

Look down at the top deck, far left side. If you see the numbers/letter "F, 1.5X and 1X," you have a IIB. If there are no numbers/letters, you have a SII.

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no numbers.there is something what i can only describe as a small hollow tube protruding from the body of the camera next to the lense. i will take pictures.thanks everyone
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.....i will take pictures.thanks everyone
Look forward to seeing your pictures.

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"The important part is : does it have the tri-focal lever selector at the base of the re-wind knob or not?

This ID feature will tell us if it is a IIB versus an S II or an even earlier model."



yes it does have small lever.






So it is a IIB, as I surmised in my first answer to your query.

That model was a ground breaking early popular camera for Canon and going by the body serial number you provided ( and the mioj makings) it is an early made one, as the late Peter Dechert said they started the IIB model at 21050 in serial numbering in his Canon RF camera book.
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"The important part is : does it have the tri-focal lever selector at the base of the re-wind knob or not?

This ID feature will tell us if it is a IIB versus an S II or an even earlier model."



yes it does have small lever.






So it is a IIB, as I surmised in my first answer to your query.

That model was a ground breaking early popular camera for Canon and going by the body serial number you provided ( and the mioj makings) it is an early made one, as the late Peter Dechert said they started the IIB model at 21050 in serial numbering in his Canon RF camera book.
thanks for that.this is a huge learning curve.as i do no very little about cameras .thanks for your help
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thanks for that.this is a huge learning curve.as i do no very little about cameras .thanks for your help
Any time, we are here to help out vintage RF camera enthusiasts from the world over.
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hi i have had a closer look. and compered it with the pictures from the canon museum and it matches the s11. not the 11b
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hi i have had a closer look. and compered it with the pictures from the canon museum and it matches the s11. not the 11b
I was getting a mixed message between your 12th and 13th comments.

So an SII it is, an even scarcer camera model than the IIB, you did very well for a fiver, congratulations.
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The camera is an S-II and is reasonably late in the production and would have "Canon Camera Company Ltd" on the top. On the baseplate it will have "Made in Occupied Japan" and may have <CPO> in a red diamond beside it?
The lens is a T4 version of the 5cm f/2 lenses and was produced between 4/1949-8/1949 and would be marked "SERENAR" on the front.
Nice find and for a fiver as mentioned WELL DONE.
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hi thanks for that yes i am live on the wirral uk.how many of the lenses were made?
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Hi
There are FOUR versions or as I call them "TYPES" and yours is a T4.
According to my Official Canon Inc Counter book only 1329 of these 5cm f/2 lenses were produced.
In my book, I hypothesised that about 2008 lenses were produced in this focal length. This was before I managed to purchase the Canon Counter Book with all the production numbers for the screw mount lenses.
It is Rated as a R6 the most common of the four types.
Never the less a nice acquisition and worth keeping.
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