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CSC : Digital Compact System Cameras - This new category of digital Compact System Cameras with interchangeable lenses was mislabeled for a time as "Mirrorless Cameras" by those forgetting about "Mirrorless" Rangefinder cameras.  Such confusion is easily understandable, since interchangeable rangefinder cameras were only recently introduced in 1932.  hmm.    CSC or Compact System Camera is probably the best category description to date, although I am fond of the old RFF desigation of  CEVIL  indicating Compact Electronic Viewfidner Interchangeable Lens.   This forum is here at RFF because via adapters these cameras offer an inexpensive way to use rangefinder lenses on digital cameras -- in addition of just about every 35mm SLR lens you can think of.  All  offer the photo enthusiast an incredible array of adopted lenses which was not possible before these new digital formats.   This group continues to grow in popularity and new camera models! 

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Old 10-09-2015   #41
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The 10/5.6 is impressive.
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Old 10-09-2015   #42
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If that 10mm is full-frame that'd be the new widest rectilinear lens in existence I think?
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Old 10-09-2015   #43
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What about a manual rangefinder camera that can shoot both film or digital? Maybe with interchangeable backs?
Ok, I still need to have my coffee this morning.
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You mean an M240 but cheaper ?

It's just a couple of new E-mount lenses, and a 10mm in VM:



Roland.
wah wah.

...loved the speculations in the thread, though
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Old 10-09-2015   #45
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Boooo! Those do look like terrific lenses, though. 10mm on full frame, holy moses.
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Old 10-09-2015   #46
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Because they have used the concept of "open mount" since the introduction as cover for the lack of glass, and yet designed the camera the opposite.
Where has Sony said this?
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Old 10-09-2015   #47
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3 full frame E mount lens!

Maybe... just maybe my dream comes true... Sony FE mount internal stuff in one of those Bessa body?!

Cosina can then continue to sell their VM mount and the new FE mount lenses and use on their D-Bessa!
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Old 10-09-2015   #48
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Is that on your wish list, Raid? I could go for that. Let's add a digital XPAN while we are at it!
I am thinking that since technology overall has advanced over the past few years, maybe it is feasible to arrive at a special camera that has no competition so far. I wonder if we have sensors that can handle a super wide camera body or not.
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Old 10-09-2015   #49
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If this was true I would seriously doubt that it would have RF focusing ... much more likely to be EVF in my opinion.
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Just to be clear, there were two different rumors. The lenses were the second rumor posted.
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what is happening to quality of these rumours? wasn't leica suppose bring something new and revolutionary just week or two ago?
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Rumors come out weeks to months before the products. Some never materialize. Leica's announcement is in a few weeks.
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10mm 5.6 is wild. Can't imagine there are many ppl in the world with the skills and use case to utilize it well on 135 but good on Voigtlander for showing they have the design chops to make such a thing! I could see it being very nice on u4/3rds especially where there's fewer ultrawide prime options. Even would be pretty nice on my X-E1 for architectural interiors if it's as distortion-free as the 12mm and 15mm.
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You mean an M240 but cheaper ?

It's just a couple of new E-mount lenses, and a 10mm in VM:



Roland.
These lenses are mainly for video recording on Sony e-mount.

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this new lines are covering an extreme wide angle range and are perfect for landscape and architecture photographers:
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WHAT Voigtländer? The company itself has been gone for 50 years, and so have all successors that took over (Zeiss Ikon, Rollei, the Mandler imperium). Today, it is a empty trademark owned by the largest cooperative of independent German camera dealers (Ringfoto) who have frequently used it within Germany as their house brand, mostly for cheap point-and-shoots, digital picture frames and the like, and have leased its use for higher-end gear to Cosina. If it is not a Cosina Voigtländer, a new digital "Voigtländer" would simply be yet another sub 100€ point and shoot.
Considering that this not a Photokina year, you do have a point that this could be a minor announcement.
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correct me if I'm wrong.

E-Mount = Sony Nex aps sensor
FE-Mount = Sony Full Frame a7(x) sensor

The 12 and 15 are available full frame in M mount. Is the 10mm Really full frame? Are these for cropped Nex sensors E mount.
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FE according to this:

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/offic...-mount-lenses/
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This is interesting.

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Voigtländer continues its VM-Mount digital optimization with the new 12 mm F 5,6 Ultra-Wide-Heliar III. Additionally Voigtländer will also release the new 10 mm F 5,6 Hyper-Wide-Heliar with VM-Mount.
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correct me if I'm wrong.

E-Mount = Sony Nex aps sensor
FE-Mount = Sony Full Frame a7(x) sensor

The 12 and 15 are available full frame in M mount. Is the 10mm Really full frame? Are these for cropped Nex sensors E mount.
Thanks
I am quite certain that they are made for FF. I believe that the mount is called E mount, being the same regardless of sensor, but that E mount lenses made for FF sensors, to distinguish them for those made for APS-C, are called FE lenses
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The press release mentions full frame.
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Where has Sony said this?
Sony's reps have been saying "hey just use your other lenses" from the very beginning. Here is a paid Sony shooter who mislead me regarded the A7r and ZM18 at launch:

http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-le...nt-adapters-2/

Nice to see the new lenses
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Sony's reps have been saying "hey just use your other lenses" from the very beginning. Here is a paid Sony shooter who mislead me regarded the A7r and ZM18 at launch:

http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-le...nt-adapters-2/

Nice to see the new lenses
Thanks... never knew they hoped people would rely on adapted lenses.
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10mm would be awesome, though I'm guessing that without a dual axis level, it could be tough. But easy on an M240 or 246, since that's built-in.

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Sony's reps have been saying "hey just use your other lenses" from the very beginning. Here is a paid Sony shooter who mislead me regarded the A7r and ZM18 at launch:

http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-le...nt-adapters-2/

Nice to see the new lenses
I did searches on the page you link, no mention of the Zeiss ZM 18 f4 Distagon, was it on another page?
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Old 10-09-2015   #65
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Make it smaller than the M240..with tilting screen for video.....and less expensive then Leica..and I'm in..
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10 and 12mm f5.6? Where´s the point?
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Old 10-09-2015   #67
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By the way ...

"Additionally Voigtländer will also release the new 10mm f/5,6 Hyper-Wide-Heliar with VM-Mount."
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10 and 12mm f5.6? Where´s the point?
The difference is quite big - by angle ratio the same as, in degrees double, and by scale four times the difference between a 20 and a 24mm lens.
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That's odd, I clicked on your link and now the voigtländer translation works correctly now. I'm not imagining this, but I haven't looked in a while, I guess they fixed it.

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...and Sony should let Zeiss engineers design one of their camera models.
I think the Leica/Panasonic partnership (Leica Q forward) is a great partnership model within the industry, especially with regards to user interface design and the user experience of form and function in an imaging device.
It will be interesting to see how Voigtlander thinks a digital camera should look like and how it should perform.
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I don't know that it would have to be 24MP, as some suggest, to be popular. If they could do a full-frame with framelines to 25mm, and a finder usable with eyeglasses, I could be happy with 12MP. I would value a pleasing image as much as a high-res one. And RD1 owners value even the 6MP image for its pleasing appearance, so I think that should be a high priority in a new model.
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I guess a full frame sensor camera that takes Leica screw mounts is out though.
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I did searches on the page you link, no mention of the Zeiss ZM 18 f4 Distagon, was it on another page?
That link shows the open mount concept. The same guy was an early reporter of A7r, before we all got one, he had one and reported ZM18 was good in 2013 Blog post. He confirmed this to me directly via twitter.

Was total BS, though maybe he did not know. He should though, having won a pulitzer. He's a great shooter, but he hyped.
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...and Sony should let Zeiss engineers design one of their camera models.
What Zeiss engineers? There were no Zeiss engineers involved in the ZI cameras. The technology in them is Cosina Bessa, the looks were designed by the product designers Henssler&Schultheiss, Zeiss supplied the marketing, branding, lens schematics and a lens orvtwo ...
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That link shows the open mount concept. The same guy was an early reporter of A7r, before we all got one, he had one and reported ZM18 was good in 2013 Blog post. He confirmed this to me directly via twitter.

Was total BS, though maybe he did not know. He should though, having won a pulitzer. He's a great shooter, but he hyped.

People often make a lot of assumptions. He should have known better or he was not picky.

What was the issue with the ZM18?
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the looks were designed by the product designers Henssler&Schultheiss
Thanks, thats interesting. I found their ZEISS SLR study: http://henssler-schultheiss.de/?p=910
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A Contax IVd

What about a Contax IVd
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...=57714&page=20
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Simple niche winner for Cosina: Bessa R(a) or R2a with FF sensor. Nothing else changed. Well, maybe battery and size.
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