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M8 - What´s the worst that could happen?
Old 08-26-2015   #1
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M8 - What´s the worst that could happen?

Thinking of getting a used M8 now. I know of the shutter issue (workaround: not shooting continously) and the "coffee stains" (ok if the screen remains readable).

What´s the worst that could happen?
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Drop the camera into a lake?

In all seriousness, the camera could stop working for whatever reason. You send it in. You get a repair bill. You get it fixed or you don't.

Still good cameras.
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You pays your money and you take your chances.
On that note, has anyone had an M8 serviced by Leica recently? Cost? Parts availability?

Either way, you will soon part with your money. Not much different than buying a used car, motorcycle, or anything else. The best part about cameras is they are cheaper than a lot of hobbies. Safer too!
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The worst that can happen is that it cannot be repaired economically.
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Thinking of getting a used M8 now. I know of the shutter issue (workaround: not shooting continously)
There is no shutter issue that I know of. I sometimes use continuous.
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It'll keep working forever ... and you'll be stuck with it!
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It'll keep working forever ... and you'll be stuck with it!
I could always drop it into a Lake, no?
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Every thing breaks or needs maintenance service eventually.

I don't know about Leica. I do know that just about anything that I send a camera to Canon for costs a minimum of $250. You just have to decide if it's worth fixing when you get the bill.
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It'll keep working forever ... and you'll be stuck with it!
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Elegant!

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Every thing breaks or needs maintenance service eventually.

I don't know about Leica. I do know that just about anything that I send a camera to Canon for costs a minimum of $250. You just have to decide if it's worth fixing when you get the bill.
Nothing is 250$ at Leica, a lens cap maybe. But thanks.
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The worst that can happen is that it cannot be repaired economically.
Are there any common issues with the M8 you know of?
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Most of the issues with the M8 actually came with it .... IR problem (magenta blacks), very loud shutter, below par high ISO performance and the occasional freeze. As much as my M8 annoyed me when I had it I loved it's form and when they eventually got it right with the 240 it was a no brainer, I had to get one.

I'm sure if you buy one you'll like it provided you can live with the above mentioned issues .... nothing ventured nothing gained.
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The ones you mentioned are documented but not common. Third party batteries tend to work incorrectly/display incorrect battery usage on the small display on top plate. I had a camera shut down on me with a third party battery mid shutter cycle. Popped a fully charged genuine leica one in, no problems since. They're expensive but its the one thing I'm not risking on my M8.

Research the best SD cards for the M8. I wouldnt put a 32gb card in as the camera was developed around the time when smaller cards were the norm.

Other than that, it's an 'issue free' camera. Quirky, but no issues.

At 1500US or less you're getting a camera that cost U$5500 new (6,500U$ in today's dollars).

A second to none ccd sensor at low ISO with an optical rangefinder. Not a bad deal.

If you havent yet, go shoot one, listen to the shutter. It's quite loud. The m8.2 less so.
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From what I understand parts are still available for the M8, except for the screen.
So if the screen breaks, you'll be stuck with whatever settings you have on the camera at that time.
Otherwise, it's still a joy to use.
And the prices on them lately are very reasonable.
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It really matters not one bit what it was. Nor what it cost when new. The OP wisely asks what is the worst that can happen. There are two scenarios among many that seem relevant.

1. The camera dies and you lose $1500. If that is no big deal for you, buy it. That is all there is to it. To me, it is a hell of a lot of money so an M8 is not for me.

2. The camera will need repairs that will increase your overall cost substantially and you go back to #1 above.

It's just money and only you can decide what to do with yours.
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Picked one up on the classifieds here and it's been working like a champ. The experience and resulting images far outweigh the risks for me. My only real concern being the shutter (original 1/8000); I rarely use the rear LCD for settings or review.
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An integral part of this camera can not be replaced or repaired. So, the worst that could happen was described by benmacphoto.

The most likely worst-case scenario would be accidental breakage of the LCD screen. In that case you would have to search for a donor camera to switch screens. This would be inconvenient.

Otherwise, there the worst that could happen is no different than any other used digital camera purchase from that era. People buy DLSRs from this time period all the time. The M8 is no different at all in terms of risk.

I'm not sure parts for Canons/Nikons/et al from 2006-2009 are available either. By contrast, one can buy a used DSLR from many sources for next to nothing. So the frustration level could be lower if you can find someone who will swap parts between old DSLRs.
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Just received one a few month ago, and only thing needed is the UV/IR
filters which isn't to bad, other than that mine has only taken around
2000 shots and been working great no problems. I love it that the
first time in my digital history that when I point focus, shoot the pictures
come out amazing sharp, if it's off it's me not the camera, and so far
there has been no problems I think the nit picking about this camera
has been a bit hard on some sites which I don't think it's been fair.
I just think no camera is perfect even the other big bang digital wonder
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Another worst-case scenario: you'll love the M8, then you'll want to upgrade to an M9. Then you'll think about getting a M 240. Your wallet will miraculously get thinner and thinner...
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Are there any common issues with the M8 you know of?
Not really. Judging by forum posts the original 1/8000th shutter has fewer problems than the newer 1/4000th, but both are pretty reliable and can still be repaired. The high ISO story is more of a saga, but it comes down to: If you use recent Photoshop/Lightroom versions and expose liberally it gives excellent files up to ISO 1250, usable to ISO 2000 ad if you do the uncompressed trick as described elsewhere in the forum the noise goes down even more.
There are no specific breakdown things.
One thing that all digital cameras have in common is a stuck/dead pixel or pixel row. Cause: Neutron strike from cosmic radiation.
Usually it can be handled in postprocessing.
A sensor can be remapped by Leica (reports on cost vary from free to reasonable)
A rangefinder that needs adjusting can be done quickly and for a small fee by any competent camera repairman or even in DIY.
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#1 Worst that can happen if you buy an used M8 and something breaks within 1-3 years? Pay a hefty repair bill. Estimated total cost, say $3,000 (used camera price + repair cost)

#2 Worst that can happen if you buy a used M8 and something breaks within 4-8 years, and there's no more repair parts? Cost - $1,500, and you're left with no camera. If you're desperate and still in need to shoot a digital rangefinder, get a used M240 for $2,000 (used price in 4-8 years). Total cost = $3,500.

#3 Worst that can happen if you don't get an M8 and go for an used M240 today. Cost = $4,000.


Some crazy assumption and estimation here, please take it with a grain of salt.
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So far so good.

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The bottom plate isn't latched!

Nice M8.
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The bottom plate isn't latched!

Nice M8.
Well seen.

Here is a quick shot taken with the M8 and Nokton 1.1 two hours ago.

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Very nice M8 and nice picture, you'll find when using it and you find out the things
you can and can't do with it (which isn't much) it's a great camera and out
of all the digital camera's I have with that blasted autofocusing with plastic
housed lenses the pictures always look sharp, if not it's my fault and not the
camera, good luck with it.

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Very nice M8 and nice picture, you'll find when using it and you find out the things
you can and can't do with it (which isn't much) it's a great camera and out
of all the digital camera's I have with that blasted autofocusing with plastic
housed lenses the pictures always look sharp, if not it's my fault and not the
camera, good luck with it.

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Thanks Range, I like what I ve seen so far. The body is a «bella macchina» compared to almost anything digital.

Sensor resolution is acceptable at 10 MP which is about what I was able to get out of black and white film. Much cleaner though and hassle-free.
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I thought I made a mistake when I picked up an M8 in 2011. I didn't bond well with the camera and sold it, now nearing the end of 2015 I've just purchased another one. Good choice!
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Be sure to check the Leica forum for a good way to increase the ISO with minimum noise. In short, you shoot raw files with the ISO set at 160 and let Photoshop take it up three stops. Works like a charm for me, but I use it for newspaper work, not large prints. A great set; enjoy.
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WARNING: There is a grave risk of taking good photographs with a smile on your face...

Btw, if you want to shoot colour you should get B&W 486 filters for your lenses.
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I've been using my M8 for a few months now,

The shutter is loud, in a very confirming way, comparable to no other camera I've used. The sound has grown on me, and I rather like to hear mine clunking away.

It is a good deal heftier than a film M, a bonus for big mitted manly men like me

I had some doubts about the M8 when I was saving, about the longevity of it's electronics and build, but those worries have been put to bed. The M8 is a very robust and worthwhile tool, I would not hesitate to grab one at today's prices.

I paid around 1k$ USD for my body only, then another 35$ on generic batteries and a handful of chargers to keep me juiced up.

FYI, I purchased the 1800mah batteries from Japan, and they've been stellar! Lasting days of shooting without missing a beat. I've yet to have one crash randomly, and the battery indicator has been accurate down to 1 bar in camera. Mine are DTSE and are branded for the shop that sold them.

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I purchased the 1800mah batteries from Japan, and they've been stellar! Lasting days of shooting without missing a beat. I've yet to have one crash randomly, and the battery indicator has been accurate down to 1 bar in camera. Mine are DTSE and are branded for the shop that sold them.
Can you provide more info on the batteries? Vendor's name? P/N?

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Heres the link:http://m.ebay.com/itm/271964393673

I believe I made an offer of 30$ and they accepted, but at the listing price, I wouldnt even try dickering over a 1$. The seller will not accept lower offers (i just tried again haha)
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This actually hapened to my sister: she dropped it into a lake, took it out, dried it.
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Worst so far,

I need new leatherette

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At current prices, and working well an M8 has to be the deal of the century for image quality. I had one and was peeved with it's drawbacks (noted above) and moved on. Looking at the images that I took and the money I've spent since, I'm sure I am a fool. Work within it's limits like you would any camera and it's a wonderful tool.
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Maybe the worst that could happen to an M8 is the resale value drops so far it's just worth more to keep and use! I sold my M9 to get a 240 but kept the M8...
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The worst that can happen? The absolute worst? The unique sensor that Leica uses in the M8 could, if conditions are right and if struck by sufficiently energetic photons, begin a chain reaction where protons and anti-protons cancel each other out violently, rapidly creating a singularity that will consume all matter and energy in the universe.

But I'm pretty sure that's fairly rare, and Leica will fix that under a special goodwill program.

More likely is you'll meet supercilious M9 owners who will say, "I thought about the M8, but I wanted something full-frame ..." in a condescending tone.
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The worst thing it could happen is the following:

the camera was tinkered with by a sadistic person with terroristic tendencies, it has an explosive charge that will detonate randomly. A certain day you tell your wife/girlfriend/mother "take a picture of this strange lake with my camera" and she says "no, I don't want to," but you insist madly until she does. And the camera explodes, but it doesn't kill her, instead leaves her blind with agonizing headaches and chronic excruciating pain, and she will moan and suffer and blame you until she is more than 100 years old. And you will live that long and see her suffer all the way through.

The chances are very small though.
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