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Old 11-09-2012   #1
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Anyone using a Rollfilm back on their 4x5 Rangefinder?

I just finished changing lenses on my Crown Graphic. The old Schneider Kreutznach has a small light leak through the shutter blades so I put my Nikkor in it's place. Tomorrow with some daylight I'll be double checking the focusing bed stop pieces... etc..

I also broke out my Graphic 8 Rollfilm back and will be making a mask for my viewfinder so I can shoot 120 on the Crown.

Anyone else using a Rollfilm back on their 4x5?
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Old 11-09-2012   #2
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yes- i masked off the optical tunnel VF on the crown graphic to use a 6x12 back with, and use the 6x12 back and linhof super rollex 6x7 backs on my tech IV.

The only time I feel at all weird about it is if I use one of the rollfilm backs on the 5x7 camera with a 4x5 reducing back.... although it is kinda fun w/ the 450mm....

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6x7 and 6x9 backs on the Horseman VHR - but really, it is a 120 based RF field camera that allows you to add a 4x5, not the other way around...
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Yes...a Calumet C2 6x7 back with my Zone VI 4x5 Field Camera...
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Do you have a rangefinder attachement for that Zone VI?
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I use a chinese back to shoot 6x9 or 6x12 with my crown/speed, on tripod. Crude, but bulletproof.

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Sure. 6x7, 6x9, 6x12.

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I have rollfilm backs for 4x5 and 9x12. I have used both, more for seeing how I liked them and to make sure they worked, For actual photo use, I think I would be more inclined to use the 9x12. But having a Super Press 23, there is less need for them. I do tend to carry the 6x9 back for the 9x12 though in case of preference for some reason.
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I use a 6x7 back on my Speed Graphic. I've found that the top viewfinder, while accurate for 4x5 framing, is horribly inaccurate with the proper 6x7 mask. The wire frame sights and guess-compensating for the smaller format work much better for handheld use. I also have the GG marked for 6x7 when using a tripod. Anyone else run into this issue with the top sight?
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There are different viewfinder masks for the Graphics, as here:

http://graflex.org/speed-graphic/viewfinder-masks.html
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I have two lever wind Graflex backs for 4x5. One is ostensibly a 6x9 back but it is pretty close in size to the other 6x7 so I don't know if the people at Graflex were challenged with math or not... At any rate, I always keep color neg in one because color neg 4x5 is pricey....

By the way, it is difficult to ascertain whether the backs are loaded or not if you don't use them for a while so when I unload them I turn the magazine insert upside down.

On the list to get one of these days is a Horseman 6x12.
The technique I use on my film holders is if the darkslide is unlocked the holder is empty. If the black side is out, the film is unexposed, and if the light side is out the film is exposed.

The memmonics that goes with that is "Exposed to dark" & "Exposed to light". Where (dark=black), & (light=silver).
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If I'm leaving loaded backs around for more than a day or two, I'll put masking tape on it to mark what's in it. If I take the tape off, it's safe to assume that it's empty - and if it's not, it's my fault.
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I take a loop of masking tape and stick it to the back of the torn-off film box end. Then stick it to the back of the Graflex film magazine. Then, I am sure it is loaded with film.

I use these Graflex magazines with my Sinar Normas, although I have to invert the inner part, which requires taking a file to the "outer shell", to get it to snap shut properly. No big deal, really. It's required to clear the Norma mechanisms.

I prefer the older wind-knob Graflex backs to the lever-wind ones. Much less to go wrong. Bullet proof, really.
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If I'm leaving loaded backs around for more than a day or two, I'll put masking tape on it to mark what's in it. If I take the tape off, it's safe to assume that it's empty - and if it's not, it's my fault.
That's what works for me. I also use that for cut film holders so I know what film is in them. It also lets me know if a holder has been exposed if there is a big X on it.
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I use a Graphic 23 roll film holders on both my Anniversary Speed Graphic and my Pre-annivesary miniature Speed Graphic


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Old 11-19-2012   #17
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Nice Rick

Same lens I have on my converted Polaroid 110A, on which I could mount a Graflok if so inclined. As it is I use it mostly with a Graflex 23, and that and pack film.

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I have several 6X9 backs, Toyo, Horseman, Graflex. I have also a 70mm Graflex back 6X7 for 4X5" that I could part with, I can throw some 70mm cassettes + some 70mm film if anybody is interested to give an offer... PM, please
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does anyone have a 6 by 12 back that they're not using? pm me

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So is that the key to getting the LF camera out more? Roll film back, calibrated rangefinder, masked viewfinder?
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When I started in LF, it was via German 9x12s and one or two came with ancient Rollex backs. That was a hoot, finding they still worked fine (and lighttight) after 50, 60, 70 years.
I find them very handy to rapidly run some film through a body after messing with the lens, bellows, settings of the bed, registration, in fact any excuse at all, really.
I'm in the odd situation now of not having a rollfilm back for 4x5, although I've got an RH50 I mean to convert and run some 120 through. Great, that's another excuse to do it.
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Horseman 6x12, MPP 6x9, Linhof 6x7. Have not used the 6x7 yet. Easier to use a 6x7 camera. 6x12 if you can get them printed in colour, very nice.
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I have several. They are great. There are times i ust dont feel like developing sheet film. The most versatile type maybe the ones where they slip in like a sheet film holder. I like the ones like the graflex rh8 and 12 the best. I started to use them again (hadn't for a long time) after getting my first 9x12 plate camera. A 6x9 roll film back on a plate camera is quite nice..

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You bet, and Polaroid back too. Makes the LF experience a much more familiar hand-held experience.
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Today, I just took delivery of a Universal Back to Rollex converter - a spacer which sits in the UB, held by the slide-locks and allows use of one of these old 6x9 rollfilm holders. Excellent; now I can use these on my Crown.
The converter was a Linhof part and is designed for their slightly shorter UB, so needs a slight Dremel touch, but no biggie.
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Looking forward to see your results with it.
I had to do some slight dremel work as well to put a graflok back on my Combat Graphic and my Miniature SG.

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Great shots there Rick! Do you us the standard Kallart rangefinder or some modification of it to focus these?

I have great respect for anyone who can shoot the Graphic with that RF in quick situations.
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I used the Kallart rangefinder on my Speed Graphic for that shot, together with the small parallex VF on top for composition. I didn't quite nail the focus on the other 7 photos during that demonstration.
It did give me a new sense of respect for the sports photographers and war photographers who had to use one of these things in the thick of the action.

Another one from that roll.



The Combat Graphic lacks an RF, so you're stuck guessing the distance and have to hope the subject lies in the shallow DOF of the long lens.
I haven't quite figured out how to compose with Wire Frame sportsfinder yet.
I used it this last weekend, but only attempted 3 action photos. I didn't want to risk ruining too many images on the roll
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Very interesting to see these shots Rick, very well done!

Somebody knowledgable please correct me, but I suppose most action shots back in the days of 4x5 press cameras were either stopped down a lot in bright daylight or shot with flash, when possible or were shot wide open in available light with lot's of luck + skill and simply not needed to be tack sharp as todays internet people with digital expectations expect them to be.

Remember these shots were for newspaper use (hence there was no need to make the floppy mechanics of the Graphics to work as precisely as todays Linhofs).
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Very interesting to see these shots Rick, very well done!

Somebody knowledgable please correct me, but I suppose most action shots back in the days of 4x5 press cameras were either stopped down a lot in bright daylight or shot with flash, when possible or were shot wide open in available light with lot's of luck + skill and simply not needed to be tack sharp as todays internet people with digital expectations expect them to be.

Remember these shots were for newspaper use (hence there was no need to make the floppy mechanics of the Graphics to work as precisely as todays Linhofs).
Yeah, it was quite common to see wartime pics with long dof, so eliminating errors quite successfully. Rather a usable pic than one that didn't work out. It's something I've always done myself, reasoning the same outcome. Not so difficult now of course, but back then you could always crop in the darkroom but you couldn't go back and re-focus the pic.
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I was told that Press photographers got around the focusing difficulties by using flashbulbs and a consistent f/stop, then shooting from a standard distance. Essentially a 4x5 point-and-shoot program.
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In any case, I enjoy seeing these wide aperture 4x5 shots, be it roll film or the whole film.
It just looks marvellous, so keep em coming Rick ;-)
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Heh, alright....

Some Tri-X,


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Very nice!
The funny thing is, I never had any interest in guns and military topics, but I follow your photography for a while now and your shots always make me want to see more!

I really like the two shots above in post 34!
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Thanks Dirk,

I shot some Ektar and Tmax 100 with the combat graphic last weekend at Fort Veldhuis. Should have some more results by Saturday;


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Got a Rada Rollfilm back for my 9x12cm Voigtländer Avus that I will use occasionally. At the moment I´m on the hunt for cut film holder or cut film inserts.


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