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Cool photo. I shoot Lucky too--it's slightly less than $2.00 a roll of 36 here in Korea. I luv it and so does my Korean wife (a slight penny pincher). I'm gonna try it w/ my uncoated Summar and a yellow filter too.
I needed film fast for this week-long event back in 2009 and Lucky that was the cheapest stuff in stock (even cheaper because it was expired).
The negative was scanned with the HP scanjet software, which leaves much to be desired quality-wise.
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Old 06-10-2011   #42
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Elmar 5cm 1934 @F4
Dandelion clocks telling the same time:
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Great images Simon, all of them!
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1940 Summitar: location Ville de Grasse, France: 26 august Liberation day

(btw just got a nice SOOTF in the mail and currently am putting an UV/IR glass of a 39mm Leitz filter in a 41mm Summitar filterring which then will suit the SOOTF so that I can use the UV/IR filter on almost all my old Leica glass since it then fits the Summitar and all the lenses that need a 36mm filter :-)

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Thanks Ron! Your picture has an unmistakable wartime look, and not just the trucks. I also like Erik's photo of the girl on the bed.
Here's another one with the Elmar - my wife applying the bride's make up at a recent wedding.

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Simon--love the picture of point neuf and of your wife applying the makeup.
Point neuf is REALLY excellent--I love the doggie's look--it's like its checking you out to make sure you are OK...:-)
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This is a lovely thread. I am going to come here often to get my dose of poison, as well as save up for a Summar or Summitar for my M3!

Since I am on this, would you all think that its important to match the pre-war glass with a relatively similar film and developer? I think a matching combo will be equally important to achieve 'the look'.

Am I on the right track or did I just confuse myself?
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This is a wonderful thread, so many nice photos, I don't know where to begin

I think the next Xenon that I will be buying is a WW2 one (1942) which already has the experimental "B" coating on it.

I really do miss a Xenon, I will be very happy when I have another one back again.......

I have very few "uncoated" lenses anymore, while all the WW2 issue Carl Zeiss lenses I use are "coated" But, all three of my Grey IIIC K cameras have original issue "uncoated" Elmar and Summitar 50mm standard lenses and in the WW2 kit I have a 1940 Elmar f4/90 that's also "uncoated", I'll be picking up that 90 Elmar to do some vintage portrait shooting soon

I like the everyday feel the Elmar f3.5/50 gives, I have to use it more once the M8 is back from Solms, try to duplicate that 1940's "slide film" look on a "uncoated" lens.........

I'm also looking at buying a WW2 Luftwaffe kit with two IIIC cameras and both lenses on them are also "uncoated" (a Summar and a Summitar 50) ~ I miss working with a really nice Summar, they have a really great look about them, very Leicaisque just like the f3.5/50 Elmar's have.

Keep Up The Great Work People Shooting The "Uncoated" Stuff!

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This is a lovely thread. I am going to come here often to get my dose of poison, as well as save up for a Summar or Summitar for my M3!

Since I am on this, would you all think that its important to match the pre-war glass with a relatively similar film and developer? I think a matching combo will be equally important to achieve 'the look'.

Am I on the right track or did I just confuse myself?
Depends on what you want from the image, I guess.

However, I'd like to see how things work out (thinking of Keith's BRILLIANT pre-war shots scanning threads from a while back!) and will be shooting RolleiRetro100 this weekend. Camera will be a FED-S with FED 50/2.0 Summar clone and FED 100/6.3 tele. Developing will be Rodinal 1:100 stand.

It'll be interesting to see how the combo of uncoated lens, Agfa APX and Rodinal will work out.


Meanwhile, GREAT SHOTS here! Real inspiring!
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Shot this weekend at an international boys and girls soccer tournament at a small town in the eastern part of the Netherlands.

Lens used: nickel 35mm Elmar from 1933 - with factory coated lenses (which was probably done after WWII). These nickel elmars were only made during first three years of production, after that they became chromium. When properly stopped down these lenses are capable of nice color rendering and resolution. Of course they are less contrasty compared to modern lenses. Both shots taken at f 6.3.






here is another shot, from the church of a small town nearby the tournament:

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FED-S, FED 50/2.0, RolleiRetro400 @ 250, Rodinal 1:100

Serial number on the camera is missing. My model camera and the lens were made between 1938 and the time the factory at Charkov was destroyed by the Germans.
Yuri at Fedka.com had my camera and lens CLA'd by Jerry Sorin and I love the image quality it now has.
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Seeing that James Ravilious video again today was inspiring.

Anybody got any more uncoated-lens shots to show?
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Taken while floating in the pool.
1940 IIIB 50mm elmar (it may be post war, not sure). XP2
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It works! thank you Jim! enjoying your portfolio.
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this also with the nickel Elmar 50/3.5 mentioned earlier

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Raid, very nice, however you forgot to mention which lens: the CJZ?
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Raid, very nice, however you forgot to mention which lens: the CJZ?
Thanks, Ron. Yes, it is the Carl Zeiss Jena that Brian adapted to LTM. I use this 50mm lens more than any other.
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Raid; The colours from the CZJ are breathtaking.
Dan; I love the bicycle shot!
Erik; The shot with the kid amidst the trees is lovely.

I gotta go get an Elmar!
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Erik! Very HCB
Great stuff everyone!



Another one from the Harbor Festival a couple of weeks ago. Leica IIIc + 90mm f/4 Elmar (1937, coated)
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Hi guys, finally did my first two rolls of Delta 100 with my Summar (coated). Ilford DDX, Delta 100, 14min, 1:4.

I have mushy grain, low contrast shots. I expected the low contrast shots, but I have difficulty accepting the lack of sharpness even at F8-11 range. Is this normal?

I have shot some at Infinity focus, and yet they are all OOF. Am I doing something wrong, or am I expecting too much of the Summar?

The vintage look is lovely, but the lack of consistency in focus is killing me softly (pun intended).

Your feedback is most welcomed.


Levels & sharpness were adjusted for this one.


F8 or more, notice how its OOF. Normal?


Infinity focus, yet nothing is focused! Or am I wrong?


But I still love my Summar and intend to try more to see if it was a user error. Could it be the lens reacting to the Delta's and DDX?
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I have shot some at Infinity focus, and yet they are all OOF. Am I doing something wrong, or am I expecting too much of the Summar?

Could it be the lens reacting to the Delta's and DDX?
Do you lock your lens when you pull it out?

Is there any haze visible in your lens when you look trough it against a strong light?

Do you use a shade?

The Summar, especially a coated Summar, is stopped down capable of the finest results.

For fine grain high contrast results, the Tmax400 film is the best you can get, but I don't think your Summar is reacting in a bad way to Ilford films.

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Do you lock your lens when you pull it out?

Is there any haze visible in your lens when you look trough it against a strong light?

Do you use a shade?

The Summar, especially a coated Summar, is stopped down capable of the finest results.

For fine grain high contrast results, the Tmax400 film is the best you can get, but I don't think your Summar is reacting in a bad way to Ilford films.

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Yes I lock it, no shade used though. I have not noticed any haze too.

I did a simple test for the contrast/film/grain. I shot the Summar with [email protected], and switched lens to a VC 35mm 1.4. The VC gave much higher contrast, while the Summar retained it low contrast, flat grey tone images. This simple test ruled out film/Developer issues

I am wondering if my copy needs a CLA, to ensure that its 'aligned' for focusing. Would this help?
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I am wondering if my copy needs a CLA, to ensure that its 'aligned' for focusing. Would this help?
In any case a Summar needs a shade. The FLQOO and FOOKH are the best. The SOOMP and the FIKUS fall off all the time.

Of course in comparison a Summar, a lens of seventy years old, will have lower contrast than a modern VC lens, even when coated.

Make some shots from a tripod with precise focussing. When the pictures are unsharp, you'll need a repair.

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"Aging Gracefully #2" using a 1938 Summar on a pre-historic M8

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I went to Rock Werchter festival in Belgium last weekend and managed to smuggle the M2 + wartime Biogon 35/2.8 in on both visiting days. Sadly the shots are waaay out of line in this thread, but I will launch another thread with them soon.

@Mark: that portrait of a classic car would make the designer and manufacturing team all choke up, it's really something! That vineyard would probably love a large print on their office wall!? Lots of traditional skill and purity in that shot, if I were running that vineyard I'd jump on getting this shot for an advertisement etc!
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Thank you, Johan. I am often pleasantly surprised with the Summar & M8 combination. They are 70 years apart in technology, but sometimes they seem like they were made for each other. Here is another pedestrian M8 shot that 1938 Summar seems to bring to life ...


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I (still) love the way the 73mm Hektor renders. It's the sort of 'drop' from foreground to background rendering that amazes me. Sometimes, the foreground is a picture, the background is a classicist painting!
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I found an undeveloped roll from last November in Rajasthan- 1932 Leica II with 1938 uncoated Summar, shot on Plus-X.

I have a thing about doorways / entrances.....
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Nickel Prewar uncoated 50mm Elmar. Shot with a M9. 80 years apart technology. Long live Leica!

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Nice, Rick! This thread started with a 90mm Elmar shot and those are sooo impressing!
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Thanks Johan, Wollukstock offered some great shots.


One more from "Izzid?!". She contacted me recently complementing me on the photos of her band.

Same 90mm lens as above. Film is Ilford XP2 Super, exposed at 300 ISO
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