Leica IIIC black ?
Old 02-17-2020   #1
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Leica IIIC black ?

I have been hunting around for information about black/grey Leica's ... why, because I will be getting a hold of a parts camera that has a black top.



Black/grey top cover (I am a bit confused about the grey ... is it black?), with nickel knobs. It has a slow speed dial on the front. Black curtains. Serial number places it as a IIIC 1950.


I have not seen much about a IIIC like this ... I am not sure if this has been repainted ... ?
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Old 02-17-2020   #2
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I’d venture it’s likely a repaint

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Old 02-17-2020   #3
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Pretty sure Leica never produced a black-paint IIIc.
Grey Leica IIIc cameras were only produced between 1942-1945.

I don't think I've ever seen any IIIc cameras with nickel buttons/bezels/dials.
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Old 02-17-2020   #4
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IIIc in black were made by special assignment, but only a few.

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Old 02-18-2020   #5
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Erik,

Did you have a black IIIc made from parts?

To the OP, we look forward to pictures, they'll give us a much better idea as to what it is.
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Old 02-18-2020   #6
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Erik,

Did you have a black IIIc made from parts?

Actually I did; I bought the parts many years ago from remains of the inventory of Leitz Canada.

Probably they had a long time ago an assignment from a customer to make a black IIIc; I suspect that they made two pieces of all the parts to be able to use the extra ones when a part became damaged. Damage to parts often occurs when building black cameras.

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Old 02-18-2020   #7
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Thanks for the info ... I hopefully should have it in hand in about a week or so.
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Old 02-18-2020   #9
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I know of at least one more black IIIC (eyes left, folks).

Well, what else do you do with a 1950 model that has 'chrome acne' (the story goes that Leitz couldn't get nickel and plated the brass directly...)?

Beautiful job done for me by CRR Luton (Peter Griseffi). "Like one of those Swedish Air Force IIIGs" was the request. He de-chromed and powder coated it - and it still looks like new.
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Old 02-18-2020   #11
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Erik ..... your collection of cameras and your photography never ceases to astound and amaze
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Old 02-18-2020   #12
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Thank you, Mish!


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Old 02-18-2020   #13
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Erik,

I completely agree with Mish.
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Old 02-19-2020   #14
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Thank you very much, David!


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Old 02-19-2020   #15
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Were there any clones made like this ... ex. Zorki ?
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Old 02-21-2020   #16
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Are there any telltale signs of a repaint?
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Old 02-22-2020   #17
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Are there any telltale signs of a repaint?

Usually the quality of the paintwork, above all the lettering.


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Old 02-22-2020   #18
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Looking at your first post, a IIIc does not have nickel knobs (well it shouldn't have)
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I could be wrong about the nickel ... I am basing it on the only picture that the Seller provided.



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Old 02-22-2020   #20
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Yes, this is a IIIc and yes, it looks like black and nickel. I've never seen such a thing before. The rangefinder focusing lever has no knob on it, so it is a post war IIIc and not a wartime grey IIIc. Maybe the color of the picture is shifted and is it a wartime grey IIIc with a post war rangefinder focusing lever.

I wonder if there was ever a slow speed knob on this camera.

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Old 02-22-2020   #21
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Were there any clones made like this ... ex. Zorki ?

Like this?



It's a late 1954 FED but I guess done fairly recently. The logo with white paint would have been a nice touch but I can't complain...

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Nice looking FED.


Erik, I will have a better idea about the colour in about a week ... and will check the paint job for signs of repaint.
Maybe this was put together from various bodies ?


For the military grey model ... how grey is it vs black ... will the vulcanite covering also be grey?


Hmm, I wonder if Shinichi Nakamura's book has one of these ?
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For the military grey model ... how grey is it vs black ... will the vulcanite covering also be grey?


Yes, the vulcanite covering is also grey, but it is gray painted, the vulcanite itself is not grey. Only grey IIIc's in good condition show this grey painted vulcanite clearly.

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I wonder if there was ever a slow speed knob on this camera.

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You can see the vertical bar that controls the slow speeds so yes, it may or should have one. Regarding the knobs I was told that if you strip the chrome off chrome ones you can come to layer of nickel before you get to the brass. It's a possibility.

Looks black to me and crate construction looks IIIc.
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Yes, the chrome plating was over nickel
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This is becoming a very mysterious camera!!
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I got the package early ... and sadly, it is just repainted IIIC ... and definitely not a factory repaint.


I think the previous owner tried to make their own special black Leica ... though I am not sure if the black paint has been applied directly over the chrome, hmmm.
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Old 02-25-2020   #28
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Post some pictures anyway, it will be of interest!
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Ok, I will assemble it for show.
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Old 02-26-2020   #31
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So...it begs the question, what to do with it?

If it were me, I'd do nothing until I was able to collect the missing bits. From the pictures I'd say two round bezels, the rangefinder lens (that is a fine wedge), the rewind lever, screws for the lens mount etc etc...don't know what is absent within. Curtains and ribbons?

Sacrilige possibly but I wonder how much of this you could get from scrapping a Fed?

Having done that it would time to strip the black paint and decide which way to go. This shouldn't be too hard on the metal components but a little experimentation with paint stripper and vulcanite might be needed. Alternatively just recover it.

After an age of parts hunting and re-assembly you'd have something that in reality wasn't worth the effort BUT it would indeed be a satisfying project!

The knobs are chrome.
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Old 02-26-2020   #32
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When you can find the missing parts from a wreck it could become a nice user. Black cameras are nicer to use because they are more discreet.


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I have the rewind lever, screws for the lens mount, the viewfinder lens is cracked but still usable as the window is smaller than it, some screws missing in various places.
It is just brass under the black paint.

Both shutter curtains have to be replaced.


Hmm, interesting point you brought up about using FED parts ... I wonder how much of it is compatible ?
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Hmm, if I remove the black paint ... this will have a brass top and bottom ... hmm, too shiny ?
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On reflection I think a Fed would be more useful for parts for a II or III, the IIIc is, as you know, significantly different. Anyway you have more bits that I thought.

I think shiny brass is a bad idea. What I meant was to strip it and then repaint in your colour of choice which might well be a black or greyish colour (though pink would make an interesting change). The finishes that are not high gloss are often much more resistant to wear and can look better.
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Several technicians sell parts from wrecks. I'd approach them first and look on ebay for a wreck...


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