using the Summaron f/3.5 35mm
Old 11-21-2010   #1
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using the Summaron f/3.5 35mm

Picked up this fine little lens (1954 version) from an RFF member months ago but am finally getting around to squeezing some darkroom time into my schedule. Here's a sample with FP4 (flatbed scan of a wet print). A couple more shots are at my flickr account.

I like the depth and contrast of the result. But for all I've read about the magic of the f/2.8 35mm Summaron, I'm wondering if someone can explain what I'm missing? (Besides half a stop.)
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Old 11-21-2010   #2
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I've used them both. They are both first rate lenses. Both nice and compact, but the 35/3.5, at least in LTM, is extraordinarily compact - a wonderful lens, particularly at home on a Leica bottom loader. For use on an M3 (or even an M2, M4), nothing is finer than a Summaron 35/2.8 with eyes (OK maybe a Summicron 35/2 with eyes!).
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Old 11-21-2010   #3
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I have a 1954 M-mount f3.5 version as well. filed down so it brings up the 35mm framelines on my M4 and M2.









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Old 11-21-2010   #4
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It's one of my best and strangely, least frequently used lenses. Maybe it's the slower max aperture (which is not an excuse since I hang out at f/5.6 usually). I'm just not sure. It's so compact that it should always be on my camera. Maybe this coming week...

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Old 11-21-2010   #5
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I like this little lens. I have had one for a few years now and am now beginning to use it with my M8 and have found that it renders very nicely. A traditional rendering found in lenses of that era (early-mid 1950s.) Unfortunately mine needs cleaning, having developed the haze that many lenses of this era have, so I have no photos to post till after I have it cleaned.

In fact, the haze is not always a problem - it can be ignored in soft even lighting and may even add a nice flare element in some situations where there is bright lighting in the photo, but it is never the less on the whole, a limiting factor till I get around to having it serviced.

The only other slight issue is that mine is one of the early ones made for an M3 and so is not designed to bring up the correct framelines in any M camera. I may have that rectified when I have the lens cleaned.

I also own the thread mount version (which is clean and free from haze) and now that I think of it will put it on an adapted to see how it works on my M8.

In short persist with it, I am sure you will like it.
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Old 11-21-2010   #6
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Yes , absolutely. This lens is strangely under-hyped. "Classic rendering", yes, if that means razor-sharp with fine tonality.
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Old 11-21-2010   #7
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Recent shot with a 35/3.5 LTM Summaron. Color print film. I think mine was made in 1952.

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Unfortunately mine needs cleaning, having developed the haze that many lenses of this era have, so I have no photos to post till after I have it cleaned.
Mine is the last generation screwmount, for the IIIg. It looks like the M2 version but is LTM. If yours is constructed like mine, it is the easiest lens I've found to clean.
Two prong spanner will remove a retainer in the rear and the lens optics module will come out of the focusing helical. After that, you can take the rear lens group off with a spanner and clean the haze out from the element surfaces that are adjacent to the aperture blades.

One of Leica's sharper lenses. It's great on the digitals because of its low contrast but high resolution. Just a fantastic lens all-round.

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Old 11-21-2010   #9
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Thanks everyone for the encouragement and great samples from this little lens. I was fortunate to get a well-cared-for one from a fellow member, with the grinding for the 35mm frame lines already done. I will push it more in the coming year and enjoy the results.
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Old 11-21-2010   #10
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I like using mine. I have a 35/3.5 with goggles. It works fine on the M6. The goggles just de-magnify the 50mm frame lines it brings up into 35mm.
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I have the small LTM version of this lens, like it a lot.



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Old 11-24-2010   #12
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It's a gorgeous lens. Congrats. I have screw mount LTM and the F2.8 M mount as well. Living under the sun here both are adaptable to most situations. I love them both. Have fun !
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Old 11-25-2010   #13
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I like mine, although, I seldom use it, as a modern 35 Cron or Lux is just more practical.
When I got mine, I did a one day mostly with the Summaron lens through Shanghai.
I love, that it is really sharp in the middle (mine is welded wide open ;-)) and has this strange softly edge thing, "framing" the image.

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It is fine even for some low light shots in urban areas with some last backlighting and pushed film or ISO1250+ with the M8.

It works great for scale focussing, as the minimum focus is more useful for up close candids at 1m or slightly more too.
This makes for great quick shots.
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Very nice shots menos -- shows the utility of this lens in confined spaces.
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Old 11-26-2010   #15
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It's one of my best and strangely, least frequently used lenses. Maybe it's the slower max aperture (which is not an excuse since I hang out at f/5.6 usually). I'm just not sure. It's so compact that it should always be on my camera. Maybe this coming week...

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I agree, this is a great little lens. I plan on using my Summaron more in the near future.

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Old 11-29-2010   #16
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Very nice shots menos -- shows the utility of this lens in confined spaces.
Thanks David ;-)
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Old 12-06-2010   #17
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I have posted this above (scanned with a canoscan 8800f):



a friend was kind enough to scan the negative on a hasselblad imacon at his school. this is shot while walking, so there probably is some motion blur in there.


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the original file is 8869x6026px, huuuuuge .tif and a 30mb jpg.

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Old 12-06-2010   #18
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GREAT Simon.... Tres Atmospheric & SHARP !
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GREAT Simon.... Tres Atmospheric & SHARP !
thanks helen. this tiny lens is astonishingly sharp, especially for its age. mine is from 1954!
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I like this one a lot, very nice !


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I have posted this above:


a friend was kind enough to scan the negative on a hasselblad imacon at his school. this is shot while walking, so there probably is some motion blur in there.
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Old 12-07-2010   #21
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@ Simon, that shot is a brilliant catch!
@ CNPhoto, that is some serious low light shooting there with the little Summaron ;-) Nice concert shot!
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summaron 35mm f3.5LTM
This tiny lens is my first leica glass when i shifted to RF because it was the only 35mm leica lens that i could afford. Its still with me and very happy with it.
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Old 08-31-2013   #25
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Old 08-31-2013   #26
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I have the ltm version and use it mostly with my M2. It is a perfect paring IMHO...great lens!
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Old 08-31-2013   #27
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I've seen this before, Erik....and I still really like it!

Chairs, chairs, everywhere.

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I have Helen's 35/3.5 LTM and it really is just a wonderful little lens. I should use it more, but my 35/2.8 C-Biogon (which used to be Semilog's) has become my go-to daylight 35.

But oh my, the Summaron is lovely.

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Old 09-01-2013   #30
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This thread made me take out my lens this morning. Thanks.
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Old 09-07-2013   #31
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The summaron 3.5 in Ltm gives that typical old style Leica look in b&w. I never parted with that lens since its so tiny and therefore very nice to take with you when traveling
and it gives me just that little more sharpness that I like compared with the even smaller 35mm elmar...

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Picked up this fine little lens (1954 version) from an RFF member months ago but am finally getting around to squeezing some darkroom time into my schedule. Here's a sample with FP4 (flatbed scan of a wet print). A couple more shots are at my flickr account.

I like the depth and contrast of the result. But for all I've read about the magic of the f/2.8 35mm Summaron, I'm wondering if someone can explain what I'm missing? (Besides half a stop.)
When I was first shopping around for a 35mm lens for a IIIA, the summaron 3.5 was the only one I could afford. So I bought it. Research at that time unearthed many threads claiming superiority of the 2.8 version.

I can't comment from experience as I do not own the 2.8 version and we all know that the Internet does not lie -- don't we?

Wonder if any of us have experience with both to address the OP's explicit and implicit questions?

I'm curious myself: Does the 2.8 version bring some magic to the table that the 3.5 does not?

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A Couple From Me

Leica IIIf, 3.5 Summaron, the 2.8 it ain't, but with the small package IIIf it's near perfect:



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35 summaron LTM w/ M9


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Ive set up some macro shots with extension tubes with the Summaron f3.5 lens at f16..and its nothing less than ..astonishing..
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A Comparison
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A Comparison

I recently bought a 1952 Canon 35mm 2.8 Serenar from a forum member, and I have posted shots from my 3.5 Summaron. For comparison here is a shot from this lens of the same period and construction. Even though it is claimed to be a 2.8, that is a tad optimistic (like most Japanese lenses, even today, ever buy a late model CV?). This is followed by 1949 35mm 3.5 Nikkor, an Elmar rather than Planar design. Note the distortion.




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Old 05-26-2014   #39
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I have the f/3.5 LTM version also. It is a nice lens. You just can't work quickly with it.

Double Parking (some Summaron 3.5 street shots) by Fogel&#x27;s Focus, on Flickr

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I've used them both. They are both first rate lenses. Both nice and compact, but the 35/3.5, at least in LTM, is extraordinarily compact - a wonderful lens, particularly at home on a Leica bottom loader. For use on an M3 (or even an M2, M4), nothing is finer than a Summaron 35/2.8 with eyes (OK maybe a Summicron 35/2 with eyes!).
How do you find the goggles on the M3, David? Do they reduce the clarity of the VF or ability to focus? I'm trying to decide between an M3 and an M2 at present and think the f/3.5 Summaron would be my primary lens combined with occasional 50mm.
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