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Old 11-01-2015   #41
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I have been ignored with silver and black Leicas, so, as Frank said above, the camera isn't as determining as the photographer's attitude. But, if it helps in making the choice, black looks incredibly cool.
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Given the best possible attitude (which is rather important) I still think chrome draws less negative attention.

But I do love the look of black.

Yet another First World problem.
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Is there empirical evidence that chrome attracts less attention? Peer reviewed? (Sorry - ducking and gimping away)
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It could be subjective. To me, black looks cooler and more serious, than chrome. That could be a negative when photographing strangers. It's no secret that a big dslr with a long lens is not as accepted when photographing strangers as say, a smart phone camera. An x100 would fall somewhere in between on this spectrum. The question is if there is a difference between black and Chrome.
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Thanks Willie but the link doesn't work, I'll check PopFlash. Oh and btw black for me, I had the silver/chrome X100 before and when the X100 black came out I was drooling over it.

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I will order Monday from RFF sponsor Popflash. Friday I spoke with Alex at Popflash who verbally confirmed this is a Fujifilm USA year-end special.

I hope this is enough information to establish I'm not hallucinating,
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To me GR is the most inconspicuous and less attention getter but I love the Fuji rendering much better.

Taken with my ex-X100

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Thanks Willie but the link doesn't work, I'll check PopFlash. Oh and btw black for me, I had the silver/chrome X100 before and when the X100 black came out I was drooling over it.
That site appears to be blocked here, it's fujix(dash)forum, look for 'end of year specials' under news.
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Is there empirical evidence that chrome attracts less attention? Peer reviewed? (Sorry - ducking and gimping away)
None whatsoever!

This is simply an anecdotal conclusion after using using the Panasonic G1 (black), the X-Pro1, a black X-T1, a chrome Zeiss Ikon ZM and a chrome X100 in public spaces. In all cases a small prime lens was attached. The ZM was the largest and seemed to impart invisibility (except for a few rent-a-cops who didn't know the difference between private and public property). But I did gain access to an event with obvious signage "Professional Cameras Not Allowed" after my camera bag (which contained the ZM, the huge chrome Nikkor 85/2 LTM and the 35 mm Biogon) was inspected by event security.

In different parts of the globe my experiences would likely be irrelevant.

As others pointed out, the photographer's behavior is likely more important.

If one really wants to attract the least amount of attention, one should just use a recent-model smart phone with a camera App that can record TIFFs. I use 645 Pro Mk III for iOS. 645 Pro supports touch spot exposure and focusing; four different histogram modes, focus peaking, and lossless (LZW) compressed TIFFs.

There are countless other excellent quality camera Apps for all brands of mobile devices.
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Willy: Now you are pushing me to buy yet another iPhone camera app? Thanks a lot buddy!
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Not with smart phones too clunky and slow.....besides you will not want to drop it
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I wish they made the 23/2 that's on the X100T for their interchangeable lens cameras. I prefer that FOV, but find the 23/1.4 too big overall. I've been using the CV 25/4 mostly happily, but would love to have two stops back.

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the 23/1.4 is an exceptional lens...i don't let the size inhibit it's use.
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the 23/1.4 is an exceptional lens...i don't let the size inhibit it's use.
If I wanted to carry a camera with lenses that big, I'd probably cart around an SLR instead of the XPro. Give me my tiny rangefinder size lenses or give me death! ...or something

It is a great lens. But currently, I'm probably going to sell it. I just don't use it on a regular basis, solely because of the size.
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If I wanted to carry a camera with lenses that big, I'd probably cart around an SLR instead of the XPro. Give me my tiny rangefinder size lenses or give me death! ...or something

It is a great lens. But currently, I'm probably going to sell it. I just don't use it on a regular basis, solely because of the size.
I ended up selling my 23/1.4 simply due to its size, a decision that surprised me a little as it is a superb lens. I use a "35mm" lens as my everyday carry-round lens and kept finding I was taking an XPro with either the 35/1.4 or 18/2 rather than the bulkier 23mm (and I wasn't regularly using it wide open so didn't miss the extra speed.) Now I have the tiny X100T as a carry round camera which can sit equally well either in my hand or coat pocket and still have the same focal length coverage for my reportage wedding. Admittedly, it's an extra camera body but the flipside is it's also one less lens change.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the 23/1.4 if you don't care about lens size.
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@Rogue: "I wish they made the 23/2 that's on the X100T for their interchangeable lens cameras."

I wish they'd do that, too, but they' never will because it would cut into sales of the X100 series.

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i use the 16, the 23 and the 56...none of them tiny but i don't find them all that big either...and they are not heavy...all 3 lenses plus a camera body and the bag can easily be carried all day.
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I wish they'd do that, too, but they' never will because it would cut into sales of the X100 series.
I suspect you are probably right. More's the pity.

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Not with smart phones too clunky and slow.....besides you will not want to drop it
Clunky... perhaps. But mine is not slow.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they eventually produced a 23/2 WR, as they are doing the same thing with the 35/2.
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@Rogue: "I wish they made the 23/2 that's on the X100T for their interchangeable lens cameras."

I wish they'd do that, too, but they' never will because it would cut into sales of the X100 series.

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This is not practical. The X100/S/T lenses are designed specifically for the unique color-filter array/micro-lens assembly used in those bodies. The distance between the X100 lenses and the sensor is atypically short.
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This is not practical. The X100/S/T lenses are designed specifically for the unique color-filter array/micro-lens assembly used in those bodies. The distance between the X100 lenses and the sensor is atypically short.
Obviously I don't need it to be precisely the same lens. Just a compact 23/2 would be appreciated - to give us a "normal wide" 35mm FOV equivalent that isn't enormous.
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Update

Today a large box of Fujifilm gear goes off to KEH (X-Pro1, 35/1.4 XF, 23/1.4 XF, XT-1 body).

For the moment I am down to one X-T1 body, along with 14/2.8, 18/2, 27/2.8, 56/1.2 and the 10-24/4/ Fujinons.

Yesterday I preordered the 35/2 R XF and will order a chrome X100T when the rebate program begins.
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Is selling to keh a smart thing? They need to resell at a profit, so you get less.
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Is selling to keh a smart thing? They need to resell at a profit, so you get less.
IMO it's just less of a hassle than selling on a forum, eBay, Craigslist, Kiijiji, etc. I will be thinning herd and would love to sell by the lot.
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Is selling to keh a smart thing? They need to resell at a profit, so you get less.
You are correct.

So in my case keep-it-simple-stupid applies. I sacrifice maximizing price for the sake of convenience.

KEH visits my city three or four times a year. I have sold a fair amount of gear to them in person. They have treated me fairly.

As far as I'm concerned KEH earns their profit. I shipped a 18 X18 X18" box full of stuff using a KEH shipping label at no cost.

I have had more camera sales with some hassle compared to smooth transactions. Where I live there were two Craigslist related murders in the past 12 months. As you know auction site fees and policies that impact sellers have become less favorable. I would split PayPal fees with buyers, which is also a cost. I refuse to ship uninsured which means the higher shipping costs and the buyer has to sign. Some of the gear was bought by a LLC I'm shutting down. So the some of the sale-price difference will be offset by a reduction in "capital depreciation recapture" at income tax time.

I am simply lucky the cost of convenience does not impede my photographic goals.
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I detest the term 'preorder.'
Ok, well I ordered the 35mm f2... it'll be delivered today. Better?

Unique Camera had them in stock. Still do... in black.
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Fine.

But it is not redundant. Ordering an item is not formally released for sale is not the same as ordering an item that is for sale. The item was ordered prior to the formal release date.
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The x100's 23mm is like a classic lens. It has it's own little aberrations unique to it, and generally everyone that uses it loves it. The x100 itself is a beautiful camera to use. The 23mm f1.4 is much more like a canon/nikon 35mm f1.4 in use - more 'perfect' in character. Personally I think it's a better lens than either the canon or nikon equivalents, and the clutch manual focus mechanism is just sublime (much nicer than the olympus clutch MF mechanism which almost always has lateral slop in the actual movement).

Honestly, as I'm a 35mm guy, I'd have both. The x100 is just so good at what it does. However, get the 23mm f1.4 if you want 35 you can shoot wide open at f1.4 all day reliably.
Very true. The x100 lens has a particular character. While the 23 1.4 is supremely perfect technically. the 1.4 doesn't even have a lens correction profile, it's so well corrected. it's also sharper both wide open and at f2 vs the x100 lens
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Fine.

But it is not redundant. Ordering an item is not formally released for sale is not the same as ordering an item that is for sale. The item was ordered prior to the formal release date.

I'm well aware of the usage of the term but it still bugs me. : )

Use of the prefix 'pre' would indicate 'before order' or 'in advance of order' which doesn't make sense in context (i.e., 'prepay' = 'pay in advance'; 'prewar' = 'before the war'.)

Praps it's an order for a prerelease product.
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Ok, well I ordered the 35mm f2... it'll be delivered today. Better?

Unique Camera had them in stock. Still do... in black.
They appear to have violated the Fuji embargo date of 11/14. Interesting...
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