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Have you heard the rumor about the new Fuji MF digital?
Old 05-19-2014   #1
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Have you heard the rumor about the new Fuji MF digital?

Just noticed the rumor here.

I cannot even begin to imagine the cost of such a machine, but a Bessa III footprint with a digital back sounds pretty interesting. Still, it's so easy to get good scans from MF, that for hobbyist like me MF RF still make more sense.
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Old 05-19-2014   #2
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Costs vary widely, with the new Pentax being a steal.... If you have near $10,000 to get the body and one lens. I'd be keen on a hybrid finder, folder or Mamiya 7 size camera!
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Old 05-19-2014   #3
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I did see the rumor... and the rumor about Sony's medium format mirrorless as well. Fixed lens mirrorless instead of RF I would think. I think it'll happen eventually in some form. The A7r / D800e are seeemingly on the cusp of MF resolution already and sensors will just keep getting better / larger.

If either of them can do it under $5000, it'll be good to see. I wouldn't get your hopes up for exotic finders or mechanical RFs though... but hopefully I'm wrong.
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Costs vary widely, with the new Pentax being a steal.... If you have near $10,000 to get the body and one lens. I'd be keen on a hybrid finder, folder or Mamiya 7 size camera!
well, not long ago people shelled out 10K for small sensor body only....
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If they make a digital body where I can put the lenses of the G690BL on then I'll wait and start begging on a street corner.
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D**n! When I saw the title of your post, I thought a Manual Focus Fuji X camera was coming, with some nice small manual focus lenses! Oh well..
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Old 05-19-2014   #7
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Hmmm. Looks interesting. Let's c what reality brings us then

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D**n! When I saw the title of your post, I thought a Manual Focus Fuji X camera was coming, with some nice small manual focus lenses! Oh well..
The curse of being a RF fan...
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Old 05-19-2014   #9
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Intriguing for sure. But I don't see a cost advantage for me since I have a lot of MF film cameras already.

For others, who knows?
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Old 05-20-2014   #10
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Old 05-20-2014   #11
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Bring back some version of the EBC 90mm f3.5 from the GW690 series would sure be cool !
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Old 05-20-2014   #13
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I think the cool aspect of this rumor is that it mirrors the X series development. I think the X100 was an experimental proof of concept. The fixed focal length, OVF/EVF rangefinder esque camera. People loved it and it launched the X series.

Fuji has an awesome history of producing fixed focal length RF medium format camera. They have the know how to produce a OVF/EVF camera bar none, and they could test the medium format waters by producing a fixed focal length MF OVF/EVF camera.

If people bite, maybe you invest in developing an interchangeable lens system.

I think its an exciting rumor. They have the experience to pull this off, and a carry round MF camera with a leaf shutter would be beyond cool.
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Old 05-20-2014   #14
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I'd be really into this camera... if true. I don't use that many focal lengths (28-55mm) anyway. The price is obviously a key element. However, conversely the Sony A7r that I'm currently using already offers ridiculous resolution and a great range of depth of field options for my style of photography... in a small package.
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Old 05-20-2014   #15
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Skip ff and go direct to mf sensor would be awesome .. I hope this ends up reality. I have had my share of Fuji mf film cameras. The gf670 is one I still use today.

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Old 05-20-2014   #16
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The first rumor to get me somewhat excited ... if that is anywhere near the concept of the GF670 with the usual Fuji sense for innovation and balance of functionalities, that would be something. And - also a potential classic, outside the ridiculous renewal cycles of the digital cameras.

Lets see if it is true. I am happy with the Bessa III/GF670. I appreciate the advantages that a larger film area/sensor brings.
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Old 05-20-2014   #17
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Could be a digital GX680 as well They wouldn't have to do more than make a back.
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Old 05-20-2014   #18
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Old 05-20-2014   #19
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Since they build the Hasselblad H cameras (but not the backs) one could say they already have done it. If Hasselblad throws in the towel maybe Fuji picks up from there.
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Old 05-20-2014   #20
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would be really curious to it but me buying it will vastly depend on 3 things: size, focal length and price.

bonus would be if it's going to be a RF but the chances for that is like winning the lottery.

btw my guess is that it will be nicknamed Texas X100
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Old 05-21-2014   #21
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As fun as a Texas X100 sounds, I'd honestly rather Fuji make a camera like this with the 135 sensor from the A7R/D800. The medium format sensor that we're talking about in this rumor is only 33x44, so I'm not sure it'd be worth a price in the stratosphere, when the Sony 36mp 135 sensor is so good and considerably less expensive.

Now, if we were talking a true 6x6 or 6x7 sensor, that'd be a different story, but, as it stands now with the 33x44, I'd rather have a less expensive Montana X100.
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Old 05-21-2014   #22
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I don't like the direction Sony is going with its 44*33 sensor...or at least if they don't quickly release a similar 45*30 variant.

It would also likely be priced at the $6-8k level, which IMO is too expensive for a fixed lens body.
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Old 05-21-2014   #23
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Hmmm. Looks interesting. Let's c what reality brings us then

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Quite. I see/hear lots of rumours. I then file them away in a remote corner of my brain until I see the actual product or hear something from the manufacturer.

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Old 05-21-2014   #24
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While I applaud the speed at which Fuji is putting out products, it also makes me want to be cautious about buying into Fuji at the moment. Im not convinced that they quite know where they are going yet. Perhaps Photokina will clarify things.
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D**n! When I saw the title of your post, I thought a Manual Focus Fuji X camera was coming, with some nice small manual focus lenses! Oh well..
That's why I clicked on this thread...

As for medium format, I like shooting with Biogon formulation lenses and I doubt the sensor array could ever be optimized for such non-retrofocal wides. If so, one day we'd see a digital Hassy SWC (DROOL.) The lenses move so much from near to infinity that there is no way to optimize the microlens array on top of a sensor without having some sort of possibly organic medium which changes the light path with the focused distance to correct for the oblique rays. This is the whole reason I invested in a Nikon 8000 scanner. Specifically so I could shoot with that lovely 50mm lens on my Mamiya 6. A digital equivalent just isn't possible at this point in our digital adolescence.

Sorry for the digression. These arenít the droids I was looking for.

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There are some pretty astounding modern lens designs possible with aspherical elements, especially with a fixed lens, and, with a fixed lens, you can tailor the sensor to the lens. The lens in the RX1 may be the best lens I've used at the 62 degree viewing angle.
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Sounds like it could be interesting, but with FF (and smaller) cameras delivering huge file sizes and some very fast lenses still sharp wide open I'm a little unsure as to who exactly it would be marketed for.
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Old 06-11-2014   #29
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I agree Koven... should be a nice camera to consider if it actaully comes to fruition.
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The Pentax 645 digital is the reason I somewhat understand why don't they have a full-frame single-digit K body yet.

If Fuji and Sony pulls this off, maybe one day we'll see a digital Rolleiflex (TLR of course).

Now that would get me excited about digital again
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The A7r / D800e are seeemingly on the cusp of MF resolution already and sensors will just keep getting better / larger.
Compared to 645, yes they're very close but as you go bigger, digital is no match. Even the cutting edge 80MP FF 645 digital sensors can only match the 6x9 film resolution.

Also, sensors can keep improving but lenses will still be limited by things like diffraction, manufacturing costs and size.


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Bring back some version of the EBC 90mm f3.5 from the GW690 series would sure be cool !
The 90/3.5 is a nice lens on 6x7 and 6x9 but on the small 44x33mm sensor it won't be all that interesting. They'll likely make something faster.


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As for medium format, I like shooting with Biogon formulation lenses and I doubt the sensor array could ever be optimized for such non-retrofocal wides.
The Sony RX1(r) is a good example of a prime lens sitting virtually flush on a digital sensor and producing very good resolution. A lot of point and shoots also have lenses sitting right up close but they have zoom lenses.
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The 90/3.5 is a nice lens on 6x7 and 6x9 but on the small 44x33mm sensor it won't be all that interesting. They'll likely make something faster.
Like an 80/1.9 or 180/2.8? Got some around of those Be prepared! But honestly if they can't at least get 45x60 then they shouldn't even try. There are already 70x70 sensors available out of catalogue so it is possible.
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Compared to 645, yes they're very close but as you go bigger, digital is no match. Even the cutting edge 80MP FF 645 digital sensors can only match the 6x9 film resolution.

Also, sensors can keep improving but lenses will still be limited by things like diffraction, manufacturing costs and size.



The 90/3.5 is a nice lens on 6x7 and 6x9 but on the small 44x33mm sensor it won't be all that interesting. They'll likely make something faster.



The Sony RX1(r) is a good example of a prime lens sitting virtually flush on a digital sensor and producing very good resolution. A lot of point and shoots also have lenses sitting right up close but they have zoom lenses.
Interestingly, the new RX1 is rumored to have the curved sensor Sony has been showing off, which should really be special in terms of falloff and corner resolution. We'll see.
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I think that the camera would use a 44x33mm sensor to keep lens designs smaller and more compact. Maybe f/4 lenses as well?
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