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Old 11-20-2015   #1
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Leica X-U?

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I'm surprised this isn't being discussed more. For one the unconventional flash placement seems quite interesting... I wonder how it works in practice? Red eye?

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Why not? Capturing the over $10,000 market takes a lot of work.
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I am beginning to wonder if they know who their market is anymore. They seem to be turning into every other camera company. New announcements every three months or less.

Maybe someone let the bookkeepers into the back room.
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Have to give them credit for finding an un-tapped niche - the large sensor water resistant outdoors camera.
A lot of good atmospheric shots go missed because of adverse wet or dusty conditions.
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Not sure of the sensor size but a nice , APSC sensor would be nice .... Not much out there unless you want to bag or box your current camera ....

I have looked into a water housing for my MM and only came up with this
http://www.outex.com/

It will certainly be cheaper than a 5DMK 3 and a water housing

A photographer friend shoots this type of stuff here in Hawaii .. I can see a place for a nice water proof camera such as this new Leica if they take it serious and it's not made for poolside splashes ...

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I'm surprised this isn't being discussed more. For one the unconventional flash placement seems quite interesting... I wonder how it works in practice? Red eye?
Red eye underwater?
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Old 11-23-2015   #10
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Red eye underwater?
There's a first time for everything!

It's unconventional no matter how it's used -- on land I would think red eye could be an issue; underwater you usually want your flash as far away from your lens as possible so you don't light up all the particles/microorganisms (looks like snow). I'm curious to know their reasoning and ideal usage...
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X-U? Using the name "Nikonos" sure makes sense now!
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Seems like an ideal camera for hiking through the rainforest (where I live) and camping trips. Carried a GRD into the forest once; took it out, and it promptly died in a light drizzle. A friend had his DSLR and couldn't take any photos at all -- the high humidity fogged up both lens and viewfinder the minute he took the camera out of the backpacj.
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This may make a real splash on the scene

Wish they had some rough specs to drool over...
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Looks like it's coming. The front ring reads 1:1.7/23 so most likely 35mm (equivalent) F1.7 with APS-C sensor. I am a fan of 35mm fov but that's an interesting choice for an outdoor camera. Maybe conversion lenses will be available?

Would be interesting if Leica will introduce underwater housing with it. Without one, you can't really take it to scuba diving regardless of waterproof depth reading of the camera itself.
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This, I never thought I'd see . . . Leica X-U
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This, I never thought I'd see . . . Leica X-U

A Leica that can be used, as sold, underwater. Wow, never thought I'd see that.

Now it can only be used in shallow water, like for snorkeling, but still, that is underwater. It wouldn't survive to the depths we dive with scuba gear, but a Leica that can be used (without a housing) underwater, never thought I'd see it.

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It's ugly but I like it. The price is a tad too high but the lens seems to be good and the Sensor is big. If I had the spare cash...
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The things going for it..
- Leica
- apsc sensor
- the lens

A tad expensive is certainly a tad of an understatement..

It's direct competition though a 1'inch sensor is the Nikon 1 AW1 at around 900-1k plus it's a csc. I would expect the image quality to be better on the Leica.

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Don't know what the market is for this but it's pretty cool.

Would consider picking one up used in a few years at half price. If it was already out and depreciated I'd think about getting one for an upcoming trip to the Andes depending on the image quality. The sample images aren't exactly breath taking or ironically underwater.

It looks like they introduced a desert camera.
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A Leica that can be used, as sold, underwater. Wow, never thought I'd see that.

Now it can only be used in shallow water, like for snorkeling, but still, that is underwater. It wouldn't survive to the depths we dive with scuba gear, but a Leica that can be used (without a housing) underwater, never thought I'd see it.

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It is bloddy expensive compared to a GoPro or one of the other underwater cameras, the flash is too close to the lens to prevent a blizzard obscuring your subject, and it is basically an X at double the price. I don't see it selling - at least not to me.

edit - and did you ever try to use an LCD screen underwater? - not a very nice experience...

Oh- and the focal length is rather long. Under water 18-21 works better than 35.
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pretty cool! apsc sensor in what i think of as an all weather camera. i'll get one on sale.
almost like a digital version of my Nikonos V
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I don't think it is positioned as underwater, snorkeling camera...
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That is a terrible location for a flash if it's meant for underwater use... bad backscatter.
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As an underwater photographer going down to 48ºF 100 feet of water, anything less of full housing, lensport and optical fiber flash sync system won't cut it.

That said...

Maybe, just maybe, Fuji HD-M equivalent can happen as part of X series, becoming the modern day Nikonos...
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Now that would be nice

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Interesting. Maybe the perfect camera to put in my sea kayak.

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I heard the Nikon version was the F-U.

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Interesting. Maybe the perfect camera to put in my sea kayak.

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And I think that's exactly the market it's aimed at. As an "expedition camera" it'd be perfect for kayaking, rainforest trekking etc. If you drop it or you capsize well just pick it back up and move on.
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As an underwater photographer going down to 48ºF 100 feet of water, anything less of full housing, lensport and optical fiber flash sync system won't cut it.
Well as it's rated to 15metres (about 45 feet) I'd say it definitely won't cut it at a depth of 100 feet.
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Well as it's rated to 15metres (about 45 feet) I'd say it definitely won't cut it at a depth of 100 feet.
If that's rated like wristwatches are, then it's probably good for washing dishes or being rained upon. Static pressure at 15m is one thing; moving around increases the effective pressure even at shallow depths.

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Just buy a underwater housing for what you already have and be done with it.
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The problem with the flash is that underwater you will get a lot of "snow" reflection of floating particles right back into the lens

regarding the "tough" aspect I would not want to drop that on the lens - seems like it would be the weak point depending on how it's bonded to the body

nice to have APS-C size sensor

Would I buy it ? Never, not enough value for me - I've had a great time with my Oly TG-2 and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it (or the newer TG-4) for rough environments.
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Not sure of the sensor size but a nice , APSC sensor would be nice .... Not much out there unless you want to bag or box your current camera ....

I have looked into a water housing for my MM and only came up with this
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http://waynelevinimages.com/featured/
On LUF (German side) there was a report by a beta tester - owner of a dive shop. He took the camera down to 15 m - even in very cold water, barely above freezing and was quite enthusiatic,
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