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CSC : Digital Compact System Cameras - This new category of digital Compact System Cameras with interchangeable lenses was mislabeled for a time as "Mirrorless Cameras" by those forgetting about "Mirrorless" Rangefinder cameras.  Such confusion is easily understandable, since interchangeable rangefinder cameras were only recently introduced in 1932.  hmm.    CSC or Compact System Camera is probably the best category description to date, although I am fond of the old RFF desigation of  CEVIL  indicating Compact Electronic Viewfidner Interchangeable Lens.   This forum is here at RFF because via adapters these cameras offer an inexpensive way to use rangefinder lenses on digital cameras -- in addition of just about every 35mm SLR lens you can think of.  All  offer the photo enthusiast an incredible array of adopted lenses which was not possible before these new digital formats.   This group continues to grow in popularity and new camera models! 

View Poll Results: Are in camera art filters a selling point in a digital camera?
What is this dee gee tall you speak of? 5 8.06%
No. I can create any effect I want in post processing. 25 40.32%
I don't care. It isn't like I *have* to use them. 21 33.87%
Yes. They're fun and I enjoy using them. 11 17.74%
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In camera art filters
Old 09-06-2012   #1
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In camera art filters

I just noticed an ad on Dpreview for the new G5. It was advertising '14 creative filters' including cross-process.

Art filters are nothing new in digital cameras. They've been a staple in P&S for years, and they are pretty common on entry level DSLRs. And then of course there is instagram et al on the cell phones.

Personally, I've never found a want for them on cameras (but I do use one on my phone).

So, here's my question to the RFF faithful: are built in art filters a selling point to you in a new camera?
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I've got them on my E-5.
Sometimes I use them, most of the time I don't but they're fun. Better to have them and not need them, then need them and not have them. Life is too short to PP.
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Originally Posted by Mystyler View Post
I've got them on my E-5.
Sometimes I use them, most of the time I don't but they're fun. Better to have them and not need them, then need them and not have them. Life is too short to PP.


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I don't use them much but they are fun, for friends and family members.
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For a while, I tried running my M9 set for B&W preview,jpeg ( DNG is still full RGB ) as suggested by Thorsten Overgaard in his blog, but decided it made things more complicated rather than easier.
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Old 11-28-2012   #6
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It never has been a selling point

But for the rare occassions when the filter can easily give that special effect you wanted… why not ?
Keep the post processing special effect for when you really need the high accuracy to your imagination and use the gimmick when it suffices the need.
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I have never purchased a camera because of built in art filters. I do own a couple of cameras that have this feature, but the filters do not work with raw images. I don't have an issue with the use of built in filters. If you like them, then by all means use them! My LX5 has a large number of selectable presets.

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Old 12-09-2012   #8
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Seems like a good intermediate step between real photography and Instagram or Hipstamatic. Hopefully this will entice some of those poor souls who use their phones to become better consumers.
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I didn't purchase my OM-D because of the art-filters. But the stellar metering and in-camera jpeg processing (art filters included) definitely factored into my purchase. I shoot RAW+JPEG and my camera is usually set to aperture priority and monochrome. That gives me B&W on the screen/EVF as I'm used to composing that way with film... but I always have access to color with the RAWs as well. I don't use the art filters often, but when I do it is usually the grainy B&W mode (the less intense version). I rarely print and almost never print large so I only feel the need to process from RAWs on maybe 5-10% of my pictures.

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Not a selling point for me. I have the Fuji X Pro which has several film simulation settings for color and b&w. Especially for the b&w, I've found the filter settings helpful if I'm out for the day just carrying one body + one lens with all the rest of the kit left at home. Also, I find the Vivid color setting a good match when I'm shooting with some older Nikkor MF lenses. So, I've found good uses for them, but they would never be a major deciding factor for me.
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Most of my cameras work in aperture and occasionally program mode shooting bog standard RAW files. I then decide what effects if any I want in post processing. Although I have once or twice tried in camera effects for the heck of it these photos almost always get erased as they are over done - I can usually do much better than any camera at "prettying up" my images.
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