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kshapero 01-14-2019 18:13

Can't shoot manual focus anymore
 
Last November I had a home repair accident where a steel rod hit me in my left eye. My eyesight is back to normal but the muscle in my eye lid was weakened to a point where I can not close my left eye without closing both eyes at the same time. the result of this situation is that when I look into the Viewfinder (I am right eyed), I can not close my left eye on its own. Consequently I get double vision, which make it near impossible to know if the rangefinder split image is lined up. The proof of the pudding is my latest developments pretty much all suck. (Only a few shots with my short tele (90mm) came in focus).

So now I am on the hunt for camera that is auto focus. Guess I'll need new lenses, too. Want to stay with an Optical View Finder also. Bye Bye Nikon and Leica M manual focus lenses and their sweet bodies. Oh yes the doc says this condition usually does not get better. Life goes on. :D

Jamie Pillers 01-14-2019 18:20

Sorry to hear about your eye! I recommend highly the Fuji X-Pro2 with M adapter... problems solved! It has an excellent optical AND EVF. And the adapter allows you to use the M glass (cropped of course).

bmattock 01-14-2019 18:21

Eye patch?

And I'm sorry to hear of your injury.

Beemermark 01-14-2019 18:35

Your situation is somewhat similar to shooting a handgun. For various reasons the proper method is to keep both eyes open while focusing on the gun sights with the dominant eye. It takes effort and training but it can be done (and most good target shooters do so). Can't really explain it but the trick is make the brain ignore the non-dominant eye.

Other than that IMHO any AF camera will work fine. I bought the X-Pro2 because of the optical finder but while I love the camera I find my old X-E2 suits me just as well.

Ko.Fe. 01-14-2019 18:44

If double vision still manageable...

Barnack Leica (and some Canon LTM) has 1:1 RF window and SBOOI is also 1:1.
M3 is very close to 1:1 and it will works this way not only with 50, but with goggled 35 lenses.

In both cases it is done for both eyes to be open during focusing and framing.

Even Nikon FG20 with 50E on it gives true 1:1 and allows both eyes to be open for framing and focusing.

R3M is same 1:1 for 40mm lens, if I'm not mistaken.

"1:1" means "one eye : one eye". Both open.

kshapero 01-14-2019 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. (Post 2861648)
If double vision still manageable...

Barnack Leica (and some Canon LTM) has 1:1 RF window and SBOOI is also 1:1.
M3 is very close to 1:1 and it will works this way not only with 50, but with goggled 35 lenses.

In both cases it is done for both eyes to be open during focusing and framing.

Even Nikon FG20 with 50E on it gives true 1:1 and allows both eyes to be open for framing and focusing.

R3M is same 1:1 for 40mm lens, if I'm not mistaken.

"1:1" means "one eye : one eye". Both open.

R3M is same 1:1 for 40mm lens yes a possibility.

kshapero 01-14-2019 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie Pillers (Post 2861639)
Sorry to hear about your eye! I recommend highly the Fuji X-Pro2 with M adapter... problems solved! It has an excellent optical AND EVF. And the adapter allows you to use the M glass (cropped of course).

Unfortunately that would still be manual focus.

Godfrey 01-14-2019 21:10

Sorry to hear about your eye injury. That's nasty, I'm glad you at least have functional vision back.

I can't help with what AF camera to look at; I'm not a big AF user myself. That should be relatively easy: there are a lot of good AF cameras on the marker today.

On the other hand, I generally keep both eyes open when I'm using my cameras. I find I see better and can focus more accurately that way. That's how I've worked for most of my life. If you wanted to try learning that trick, it might be that you don't need to change anything at all. It might or might not work for you, ultimately, but what you tell the brain to do and practice at ... It can be amazing what your brain can do if you push it. :)

Good luck however you go with this. Overcoming an incapacity, you just do whatever works until it's done. Stick with it!

best,
G

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Originally Posted by kshapero (Post 2861638)
Last November I had a home repair accident where a steel rod hit me in my left eye. My eyesight is back to normal but the muscle in my eye lid was weakened to a point where I can not close my left eye without closing both eyes at the same time. the result of this situation is that when I look into the Viewfinder (I am right eyed), I can not close my left eye on its own. Consequently I get double vision, which make it near impossible to know if the rangefinder split image is lined up. The proof of the pudding is my latest developments pretty much all suck. (Only a few shots with my short tele (90mm) came in focus).

So now I am on the hunt for camera that is auto focus. Guess I'll need new lenses, too. Want to stay with an Optical View Finder also. Bye Bye Nikon and Leica M manual focus lenses and their sweet bodies. Oh yes the doc says this condition usually does not get better. Life goes on. :D


Beemermark 01-14-2019 22:10

Re-reading this consider photography a minor subject. The fact you have vision in both eyes you should consider a miracle. As you get older you'll find vision is impossible to correct to 20/20 (cataracts, etc). So life becomes learning how to adapt. Not just vision but simple things like tying your shoes, getting out of bed, drinking morning coffee without spilling it.

ruby.monkey 01-14-2019 22:54

Can't you cover your left eye? I hear the pirate look will be big this year.

Otherwise, choose between a Contax G and Fuji X-Pro2.

kshapero 01-14-2019 23:28

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Originally Posted by ruby.monkey (Post 2861673)
Can't you cover your left eye? I hear the pirate look will be big this year.

Otherwise, choose between a Contax G and Fuji X-Pro2.

Tried the patch and yes that works but just can't get used to it. The CV R3M (A) intrigues me.

Ronald M 01-15-2019 00:24

Hold left hand over left eye.

Buy a Leica SL or Nikon Z6 or Z7 and use M lenses with adapter Z6 is $2000. Others are more.

Arbitrarium 01-15-2019 00:56

I second the eyepatch suggestion! You'll look cool too.

Wildcard option is a Voigtlander Kontur accessory viewfinder designed to be used with both eyes open. But that's just for framing, not focusing...

The Canon VI-L has a 1:1 finder for 50mm and actually works better with both eyes open.

leicapixie 01-15-2019 02:02

I don't suggest using eye patch.
It could irritate the "hurt" eye..
Try using that eye for focus, can you close right eye?
If not, practice focus with both eyes open.
I mostly use point and shoot digitals, use screen to frame and point focus..
There are many auto-focus out there,esp in DSLR.
The newer models focus better..Canon Rebel, Nikon 3500 etc.
Look at this challenge as new way and door to seeing.
All the best to full recovery.

FujiLove 01-15-2019 02:19

Really sorry to hear about your eye injury :-(

Are you looking for a film or digital camera? I can't help with digital, but if you want an AF film camera with the same quality lenses (or better) than the ones you've been used to, I can recommend the Contax G system. The viewfinder's a bit small, but the system overall is lovely. The AF is relatively slow, but I still find it much faster than manual focus.

willie_901 01-15-2019 04:42

I too have double vision. While it is benign, it is inconvenient. For about 15 years I have use mono-vision contact lenses, left for close up and right for distance. My brain is trained to switch dominant eyes. Perhaps this played a role in my ability to focus with my right eye at the finder and kept my left eye open recently last summer (for reasons I won't detail here).

I own two cameras - an X100T and X-Pro-2.

I use the OVF with both 90% of the time. I adjust the OVF diopter for my right eye. I use the Electronic Rangefinder Window to confirm focus. I invoke AF manually by using the AFL button. I also use the audio beep (lowest volume) to confirm focus. I use only the center focus point. Essentially I focus as I use to focus my film RF cameras - focus and recompose.

I suspect the AFS focus mode would best for you. In this case focus is invoked using a shutter half press. There are AF menu options that move the focus region around automatically. With the X-Pro2 (and X-100F) it is easy to move the focus region manually. There is eye detection. The size of the focus region can be changed. The Electronic Rangefinder can be set to two different zoom settings. I use red highlighting to indicate what's in focus. If you see red, you have focus for the region in the ERF.

There will be a learning curve to set up the AF system to meet your needs. But I believe the FUJIFILM OVF/EVF system will work for you.

Lastly, I use an eye patch (CVS Pharmacy) for some tasks to avoid double vision. I use this mostly when driving. I don't need one with the X-Pro 2/X100T (but now I keep my left eye closed).

olifaunt 01-15-2019 04:42

You can actually use the left eye for the viewfinder. Garry Winogrand was known for doing that, by the way. It is also less obvious to candid subjects that you are taking their picture. I usually use the right eye but as an experiment on one trip I used the left and I found it very easy to do.

davidnewtonguitars 01-15-2019 05:49

I love how just about every disability can be overcome with new gear!
My eyesight is surely failing with age, along with misc. other physical and mental abilities. I would like to buy a used Leica MP. Is there a "linkage" that I can explain to my wife?

Bill Clark 01-15-2019 05:58

I close one eye when focusing. For me, either eye works, makes no difference.

Even the auto focus on a camera can get fooled. In business, especially with each group photograph, I had to make sure the camera was focusing on the faces of the people and not some other object. With my Canon SLR’s, a double check was necessary to make sure what was supposed to be in focus was in focus but when pressing the shutter button part way down it would re-focus, a real pita. It got to the point that I turned off the auto focus as it would be another item to mentally check off, to make sure what was supposed to be in focus was in focus.

I had more than enough to think about and having a beautiful photograph out of focus was a big no no for me.

Dogman 01-15-2019 06:14

Sorry to hear about your vision problems. Since you've apparently been unsuccessful in other avenues, autofocus does seem a logical alternative. For an AF camera with an OVF you either go with an SLR or a Fuji X100 or X-Pro. There might be other options but I'm not aware of them.

Don't worry too much about going to AF. Everyone makes good AF cameras these days. The AF cameras I've used over the last few years have all been able to focus faster and more accurately than I can focus manually.

justins7 01-15-2019 06:23

What about one of those new-fangled autofocus adapters, on a Sony E-mount body? It autofocuses manual lenses:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...BI%3A514&smp=Y

kshapero 01-15-2019 09:18

Thanks for all the suggestions. I read all the entries closely. Now to digest it and make some decisions.

Greyscale 01-15-2019 09:32

Sony A7II with Techart Leica M adapter plus Leica M adapters to whatever other lenses that you currently use.

Greyscale 01-15-2019 09:33

Could you not use an eyepatch on your left eye when shooting, though?

colker 01-15-2019 09:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogman (Post 2861750)
Sorry to hear about your vision problems. Since you've apparently been unsuccessful in other avenues, autofocus does seem a logical alternative. For an AF camera with an OVF you either go with an SLR or a Fuji X100 or X-Pro. There might be other options but I'm not aware of them.

Don't worry too much about going to AF. Everyone makes good AF cameras these days. The AF cameras I've used over the last few years have all been able to focus faster and more accurately than I can focus manually.

The Nikon D500 has the best AF ever. Maybe their film F6 is AF as well. Hope the OP finds a good solution.

raid 01-15-2019 10:00

Sorry to hear about the injury Akiva.
I would use whatever you find acceptable to you.
AF seems to make most sense as it requires nothing else to do when taking photos. No eye patch and no need to cover one of your eyes.

I recently bought a beautiful (used) Nikon D700 for $400. It has AF.

ruby.monkey 01-15-2019 10:06

8x10 is a perfectly acceptable format for street photography, isn't it?

dave lackey 01-15-2019 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by kshapero (Post 2861638)
Last November I had a home repair accident where a steel rod hit me in my left eye. My eyesight is back to normal but the muscle in my eye lid was weakened to a point where I can not close my left eye without closing both eyes at the same time. the result of this situation is that when I look into the Viewfinder (I am right eyed), I can not close my left eye on its own. Consequently I get double vision, which make it near impossible to know if the rangefinder split image is lined up. The proof of the pudding is my latest developments pretty much all suck. (Only a few shots with my short tele (90mm) came in focus).

So now I am on the hunt for camera that is auto focus. Guess I'll need new lenses, too. Want to stay with an Optical View Finder also. Bye Bye Nikon and Leica M manual focus lenses and their sweet bodies. Oh yes the doc says this condition usually does not get better. Life goes on. :D

So sorry to hear that, Akiva.:(

karateisland 01-15-2019 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by olifaunt (Post 2861727)
You can actually use the left eye for the viewfinder. Garry Winogrand was known for doing that, by the way. It is also less obvious to candid subjects that you are taking their picture. I usually use the right eye but as an experiment on one trip I used the left and I found it very easy to do.

For what it's worth, after finally accepting that I am left-eye dominant, I started doing this, and it does make me stealthier!

Plus, since my right eye is behind the camera, I don't have to bother closing it, and I no longer get headaches.

robert blu 01-15-2019 11:31

Akiva I feel sorry about your accident, many accidents happen in an home environment
Wish you to find a good solution.
robert

Dogman 01-15-2019 11:52

Just wanted to toss this out since someone mentioned AF cameras refocusing every time you press the shutter release.

On all the AF cameras I've used in the last few years (Canon, Olympus and Fuji in the main) you can either lock focus with a back button or you can separate the focus completely from the shutter button, using a back button for focusing. The Fuji X-Pro2 (and probably others as well) will also hold the AF point as long as you apply slight pressure to the shutter button between exposures--no refocusing required.

So don't despair. There are ways around various AF problems. It's amazing how well AF now works.

Jamie Pillers 01-15-2019 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by kshapero (Post 2861652)
Unfortunately that would still be manual focus.

Yes, manual focus with your M lenses, but brilliant autofocus with Fuji lenses. I especially like using the back button focusing method for street photography. I set the Fuji to Manual Focus, but then push the back AF button and it snaps to the distance I have the camera pointed at, and stays there until I change it. You can do this using the EVF or OVF.

Having the EVF and OVF in the same camera is the huge benefit of the Fuji XPro bodies, in my opinion. When I want to emulate the experience I used to get with a film rangefinder, I set the Fuji to OVF, manual focus, RAW, and manual settings on aperture & shutter speed.

Pioneer 01-15-2019 13:12

Sorry to hear about your vision troubles Akiva. I hope you are able to find an acceptable solution that allows you to continue with your photography. Autofocus is certainly a useful alternative but there may be others as well.

My M3 does not have a 1:1 viewfinder but the magnification is close enough that I have been able to focus with both eyes open. I have found it a useful skill doing sports photography with manual lenses since I can see what is coming with the left eye.

However, I also use autofocus in these same situations. Both methods can work well once you are used to them.

Keith 01-15-2019 13:36

If you want a system that gives you a balance between film and digital in similar bodies I see Nikon as the best option. An F6 for film and as someone suggested a D700 for digital then start thinking about what you want in AF lenses. This is quite a commitment but if as you said the condition won't improve I don't see too many options that can match this combination. If your current setup is as unusable as you suggest I see little point in keeping any of it.

I'd also be proactive in trying to prove that doctor wrong by persevering and trying to get your brain to adjust to the situation.

Steve M. 01-15-2019 13:39

Do you wear eyeglasses? Maybe you could get those clip on shades that flip up. Fix it so that they flip up and down independently of each other. If it's tinted enough it will allow you to see the rf patch even if both eyes are open. I have prescription sun glasses and they come in handy for increasing contrast. I've worn them at night when I forgot my regular glasses and could still see fine to drive a car or ride my bike.

I'll bet you could use the eye patch idea that others have mentioned, or train yourself to shoot with both eyes open, but the sunglasses work really well for me in terms of increasing contrast.

splitimageview 01-15-2019 14:17

Ouch! sorry to hear about the injury!

Perhaps...Nikon S2 (and up) rangefinders are life size, shoot with both eyes open?

besk 01-15-2019 14:40

I'm 75 with eyes that are not what they used to be. For 35mm photography I have found that using AF assist from my Nikon N75 makes focusing faster and more sure. Recently had my MF 28mm /3.5 AIS lens adapted to use on the camera in addition to my AF lenses.

bmattock 01-15-2019 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by kshapero (Post 2861638)
Last November I had a home repair accident where a steel rod hit me in my left eye. My eyesight is back to normal but the muscle in my eye lid was weakened to a point where I can not close my left eye without closing both eyes at the same time. the result of this situation is that when I look into the Viewfinder (I am right eyed), I can not close my left eye on its own. Consequently I get double vision, which make it near impossible to know if the rangefinder split image is lined up. The proof of the pudding is my latest developments pretty much all suck. (Only a few shots with my short tele (90mm) came in focus).

So now I am on the hunt for camera that is auto focus. Guess I'll need new lenses, too. Want to stay with an Optical View Finder also. Bye Bye Nikon and Leica M manual focus lenses and their sweet bodies. Oh yes the doc says this condition usually does not get better. Life goes on. :D

What if you train yourself to be left eye dominant? You can independently close your right eye, yes?

BillBingham2 01-15-2019 16:07

Nikon S3 rangefinder is 1:1 with some classic great glass and new CV glass in S mount is on sale these days (Cameraquest site). IMHO a wonderful option, best option that loads just like a Nikon F.

Very sorry to hear about your accident. Check into acupuncture, I have no experience with what you have, but it just comes to mind for some reason, just want to say it might work.

Good luck.

B2 (;-<

ChrisPlatt 01-15-2019 16:35

A Voigtlander Kontur accessory viewfinder might work for you.
This ingenious design requires two eyes open for normal use.

Chris


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