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squirrel$$$bandit 06-08-2009 16:17

Squeegee or not?
 
Pretty simple. I usually squeegee gently with a soft sponge dampened in the photo-flo water, but occasionally I get a scratch. I'm thinking of going without but fear water spots.

Do you squeegee or not?

bolohead 06-08-2009 16:26

I pull mine out of photoflo and give it a little shake before hanging. I have tried squeegeeing and almost always had problems with scratches, etc.

chris91387 06-08-2009 16:27

drip dry. never a scratch after 20 years.

Pablito 06-08-2009 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris91387 (Post 1071291)
drip dry. never a scratch after 20 years.

Same here. Or a water spot.

drewbarb 06-08-2009 16:32

Running film through a squeegee is a terrible idea. Prints, sure. Film? No way.

pesphoto 06-08-2009 16:33

ive even stopped using one for prints. Just hang to dry over the sink and no water spots. I do run two fingers down my wet film. No problems.

Bassism 06-08-2009 16:34

Until recently I did a light finger squeegee after Photoflo. I don't recall any problems with scratches, but I've actually found that I have less water marks if I just shake and hang the film.

gdi 06-08-2009 16:36

I normally wet my fingers and run them down the film and use a Jobo drying cabinet (plastic bag type) but I still get some water spots.

Maybe just photoflo and drip dry would be better.

bmattock 06-08-2009 16:38

Fingers only.

f16sunshine 06-08-2009 16:40

Finger it.

squirrel$$$bandit 06-08-2009 16:44

Wow, I'm the only one. I think my squeezin' days are over.

Keith 06-08-2009 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by mabelsound (Post 1071309)
Wow, I'm the only one. I think my squeezin' days are over.


I've been using a Jobo squeegee for a while now but every time I use it I scrub the blades with a stiff brush under running water for a second or two. Depending on air born dust it can be a better option for getting the emulsion surface tack free in less time and a resulting cleaner negative ... provided the squeegee is used effectively and carefully there is little problem IMO!

Bob Michaels 06-08-2009 17:02

I have always used a squeegee. And I had one little scratch back in 2006. It was the first one in five years. Fortunately it was small enough to clone out in Photoshop.

And I never have water spots and a bare minimal amount of dust spots. My wife of 43 years has many strong points but dusting is not one of them. We have two dogs and keep the windows open about 5-6 months a year so we do have potential for small airborne debris. I think the reduced drying time is very important.

One has to do what works for oneself and ignore the majority.

Thardy 06-08-2009 17:09

I squeegee. Dries much quicker.

Al Kaplan 06-08-2009 17:17

A lot depends on what minerals you have in your water. If you really want clean negatives get a Senrac film dryer. It blows heated air across the width of the film while on the reel. It's a lot easier to blow water across 35mm worth of film than down the 5.5 feet of a hanging film.

The heat is controled by a thermostat, the air is filtered, and it has a built in timer to turn itself off.

newsgrunt 06-08-2009 17:22

Photo Flo, then Kimwipes. Been doing this for years and works like a charm. Used to use a dedicated photo sponge but the Kimwipes are better.

mackigator 06-08-2009 17:27

I gave up the squeegee for good last month as I always got scratches. Now I do a last rinse in photo flow mixed with distilled water and wipe with my fingers. Doing a last rinse with the distilled mix stopped my mild mineral problem and not squeegeeing stopped my scratch problem.

After reading this thread I'm thinking of giving up on my fingers as well!

ItsReallyDarren 06-08-2009 17:33

I let the film hang dry. Haven't bothered with wiping the film down with anything.

benmacphoto 06-08-2009 18:32

After fixing I do a ten minute wash then 1 minute wash using Ilford wetting agent. Then I hang the film in a 6 foot tall film dryer at 90 degrees for 15 minutes. No water spots, and no scratching.

DerekF 06-08-2009 18:33

Hmm I've always used my fingers to squeegee the film after a brief dunk in Photo-Flo because that's how I was taught to do it in my photography course many years ago, but recently noticed some water spots on a roll of negatives I was scanning. I think I'll try without finger-squeegeeing next time... it's always possible to re-rinse later to remove water spots anyway, right?

benmacphoto 06-08-2009 18:41

Re-rinsing will remove the spots, but I would not let spots stay on the film long. I would think it could ruin the film if they are on it to long.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerekF (Post 1071355)
Hmm I've always used my fingers to squeegee the film after a brief dunk in Photo-Flo because that's how I was taught to do it in my photography course many years ago, but recently noticed some water spots on a roll of negatives I was scanning. I think I'll try without finger-squeegeeing next time... it's always possible to re-rinse later to remove water spots anyway, right?


gudlagoba 06-08-2009 18:49

Tried squeegee once but got lots of scratches. Must have been a bad squeegee but I have been soaking with a few drops of Ilford wetting agent and hanging to dry.
I should try squeegee again because I have a dust problem sometimes and shorter drying time will be a plus.

sienarot 06-08-2009 18:52

Finger-squeeg

Bingley 06-08-2009 19:31

I drip dry, following a method I picked up on another thread dealing w/ dust and scratches: after the last rinse, put the reel in a solution w/ a wetting agent (Ilford, in my case), and meanwhile turn the shower on w/ hot water to raise the humidity (I develop in a bathroom). Raising the humidity, and even getting a little steam in the bathroom, reduces the dust (at least, that's the theory). I then take the film off the reel, hang it up, and let it dry over night. Works like a charm.

nikon_sam 06-08-2009 19:43

From the Photo-Flo to the clothes pin hanging in the shower...I do not touch the film with anything...fingers or squeegee...I learned the hard way...

imush 06-09-2009 08:32

Tried it a couple of times when I (re)started developing myself a couple of years ago, but then gave it up. I did have some scratches in those days, but am not sure if they come from the squeegee or just my inexperience in loading the film.

Anyway, I don't see a reason to use it unless you are impatient or otherwise in a hurry to scan/print.

Benjamin 06-09-2009 09:16

Using some wetting agent in the last bath/wash and just leaving them well alone until they're dry has always left me with clean negatives.

I used a squeegee once, awful idea.

BillBingham2 06-09-2009 09:36

depend on how long you wash for.

sanmich 06-09-2009 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by benmacphoto (Post 1071361)
Re-rinsing will remove the spots, but I would not let spots stay on the film long. I would think it could ruin the film if they are on it to long.

As far as I know, spots are only deposit on the base and do nothing to the film on the long run.

sanmich 06-09-2009 10:25

I rinse,
Then leave the film in distilled water for some ten minutes at least, then add a very small amount of foto-flo (and sometimes a bit of isopropyl alcohol), and take care not to have any bubbles, and leave for a few minutes, then hang the film.

I have very few spots, and even when I have some, I just carefully clean them after the film is dry, with a clean microfiber/lens cleaning tissue and alcohol.

From what I know, the emulsion, when wet is much more delicate than when dry. I avoid as much as possible touching it before complete drying of the film.

sanmich 06-09-2009 10:27

I should add that scratching the base is something that can be corected, while scratching the emulsion you get, well....a scratch.

novum 06-09-2009 13:57

Thinned out PhotoFlo diluted with distilled water, just let it drip dry. Rare water spots beats the hell out of scratched emulsions. I must hasten to add that some films are more prone to having their emulsions damaged. Fomapan comes to mind. Tri-X is more robust, as are most C-41 films.

sepiareverb 06-09-2009 14:53

I use Photowipes, no longer easy to get. They have always worked for me, never scratched a film, and by getting the bulk of the water/photo-flo off the film allow it to dry much more quickly than fingers and never with any watermarks.

They now are known as Tidi Products item #911898 (white) or 911900 (blue) 4-ply tissue towels. I cut them in half and use one per roll of film. I know most folks say I shouldn't bother, but when I've run out I get watermarks. A simple thing that makes all the difference for me.

I dilute the Photo-Flo a bit more for sheet film, which I drip dry hanging it from one corner. Same dilution on 35mm leaves marks, I'm guessing the extra length of the film concentrates the stuff as gravity does it's thing.

johnastovall 06-09-2009 14:56

I use my fingers after a quick rinse in photoflow.

visiondr 06-09-2009 17:39

Steam up the bathroom (takes a couple of minutes with the shower on hot) then hang photo-flo'd film in the now dust free room. No scratches, no water marks and no dust.

ed1k 06-10-2009 19:58

Paterson squeegee didn't work for me, but Kindernmann squeegee works fine. It's a pity I didn't buy a few of them... I cannot find a good film squeegee anymore in Toronto. For scanning it is usually not needed, those small spots are below scanner resolution or may be easily photoshoped out; but I do real printing.

JohnTF 06-10-2009 20:44

Had some problems with 220 Ilford, and switched to adding hardener to the rapid fix to toughen up the emulsion, and a rinse in distilled water, then you can wipe or not with generally good results.

The rapid fixes seem to be formulated without hardener, I suspect for better suitability with prints to be toned?

Had a new squeegee, was living in a studio, gave it up after some scratches.

Anyone use a salad spinner with the film obviously on reels?

Regards, John

sniki 06-10-2009 22:19

Never squeegee - even with finger only - again.
Just wetting agent and drip dry.

DGA 06-10-2009 22:59

I use to finger my negs, but occasionally I get drop marks.
I think next time I'll let the film a drip dry try.

Fotohuis 06-11-2009 05:09

Only wetting agent in demi-water. But I hang the film first diagonally to let it dripped off from the perforation. After 5 minutes I hang it vertically with some weight.

No scratches and normally no drying marks. However if you have a clean squeegee and a sturdy film it's not impossible to use it sucessfully. In the press they did it in combination with IPA to have the film dry within 10 minutes.
But in general: Do not touch a wet film emulsion!


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