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KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-24-2019 10:09

[New test photos released] Leica Summicron 35/2 Eight Element copy made in China
 
Hey guys,

A week ago, one of our forum member harryjiang created a thread sharing the exciting Leica copy project, which is the Leica first version 35mm f2 replica. Personally, I am very excited when I heard this news because I love classic Leica lenses. I have three Summicron 35mm f2 V1 in my collection. So I really want to compare the replica with my original Leica Summicron. Then I get in touch with the people who started this project. Unfortunately, I cannot get my hands on the prototype of the Summicron 35/2 replica since I am not living in China right now. But he is very kind to share some information about the project with me and send me some test shots taken with this lens. He wants me to share these photos on RFF and to seek some real opinion here. Please feel free to comment.

Here are the pictures taken with Leica monochrome + the Summicron 35/2 replica prototype at f/2 wide open.

I've been told that all the test photos were just slightly adjusted on Lightroom.



Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr



Enjoy the photos. And we are looking forward to your opinions.

Best regards,
Kevin




The first batch 8-element Replica:

Use flint lead-glass like the original one (Note: Supply will be limit since flint lead-glass is hard to find now even in China)
Two types of single coating like the original one (Multi-coated as special request with extra cost, + $100 )
The lens body is crafted in brass
Each lens will include brass made front and rear lens caps. The lens will also be stored in an aluminum alloy container (All metal, no plastic will be used in this project.)
Three paint options: Black Paint / Chrome / Brass
Free engraving service for each lens(Numbers/Alphabet, 8/9 spaces)
Retail price will be $499 + shipping (There will be an extra cost if you have a special request that requires extra labor cost. Please understand.)



NOTE:
The buyer will need to fill out an official purchase form (include all the necessary information, lens options, custom engraving, etc.) when the lens is available for purchase
The maker cannot reserve any specific serial number for you, as this is hard for them to manage.
LTM version will be released approximately three months later. It will also come with an LTM-M adapter. (The closest focus of the LTM version will be 1 meter, as the original one.)
The replica lens hood will be sold separately. Asking for around $20/each.
The replica viewfinder will be sold separately. Not sure of the cost yet.
There will be two paint options for the viewfinder and lens hood, original or black paint.



*My PM box is 100% full now... In case I missed any of your messages, please send it to the following email address:

Email:
[email protected]


Kevin


Leica 8-element Replica Engraving Example by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

Steve M. 07-24-2019 10:22

Those look fine. Not sure I care for the look of the lens on the camera though. It would be nice to see some shots at f2 too. I don't shoot a digital camera, nor shoot anything below a 50 lens, so take that into consideration, but why is everything so in focus if the pics were shot at f2.4 according to the flickr info? Where's the bokeh?

KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-24-2019 10:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve M. (Post 2901626)
Those look fine. Not sure I care for the look of the lens on the camera though. It would be nice to see some shots at f2 too.

Thanks for your comment. All these shots are at f2 wide open.

Steve M. 07-24-2019 10:26

OK. Flickr shows f2.4. Probably not enough to make a difference.

KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-24-2019 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve M. (Post 2901628)
OK. Flickr shows f2.4. Probably not enough to make a difference.

Yea I noticed that too. But he told me all these photos taken at f/2.0. This information got confirmed with the test people.

Colin Corneau 07-24-2019 10:42

I kind of like the look of that lens. I own a v1 35mm Summicron and this looks just like it...liking the look of the picture samples too, even if there's only so much one can tell from downsized JPEGs on a website.

It IS China...they're all smoking! :D

DKimg 07-24-2019 10:49

Looks pretty cool. What would be the price point with this lens? Any shots on film too?

KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-24-2019 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colin Corneau (Post 2901631)
I kind of like the look of that lens. I own a v1 35mm Summicron and this looks just like it...liking the look of the picture samples too, even if there's only so much one can tell from downsized JPEGs on a website.

It IS China...they're all smoking! :D

You could click on the photos to see the larger detail on Flickr. Ignore me if you already did. : )

Glad you like the samples.

KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-24-2019 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by DKimg (Post 2901634)
Looks pretty cool. What would be the price point with this lens? Any shots on film too?

I will let him know the request. Will add more pictures to this thread when I have them.

So far no specific price point for this lens. He told me he want to make it affordable for most of the people. But the production will be limit. By the way, he put tons of effort on the glass and coating that been used on this replica.

Erik van Straten 07-24-2019 11:02

The shots are made with the lens wide open, you can see that from the bokeh. Maybe f/2.4 is the "T" (true) opening.

The shots are technically very good in my opinion. How much is this lens? I want one, I love this prototype.

Erik.

KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-24-2019 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erik van Straten (Post 2901638)
The shots are made with the lens wide open, you can see that from the bokeh. Maybe f/2.4 is the "T" (true) opening.

The shots are technically very good in my opinion. How much is this lens? I want one, I love this prototype.

Erik.

Thank you Erik! Will let you guys know when he decide to release the price.

jnalepa 07-24-2019 11:17

These look great, and I love the look of the lens on the camera! I would be very interested in buying one too.

If there are some film photos taken with it, please share.

As mentioned in the other thread, having it available in LTM mount would entice even more buyers.

CharlesDAMorgan 07-24-2019 11:24

Very very nice indeed.

KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-24-2019 11:38

I’ve already told him that many people wanting the LTM version. He heard you guys’ voice and said it is possible. But may take time to make this happen though. He is very busy working on this project now.

brbo 07-25-2019 00:15

Is this lens RF-coupled down to 0.7m?

kiemchacsu 07-25-2019 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erik van Straten (Post 2901638)
The shots are made with the lens wide open, you can see that from the bokeh. Maybe f/2.4 is the "T" (true) opening.

The shots are technically very good in my opinion. How much is this lens? I want one, I love this prototype.

Erik.

last time it was mentioned to be around US$500,00
not sure about the actual price when released.

lawrence 07-25-2019 02:15

Too much bling for me, would like M-mount in black.

Noserider 07-25-2019 03:19

Black paint not too glossy and a bit thin so it brasses out fast yes please. I think it may be challenging to keep it a limited run, what with LTM and a few different finishes. I'm very interested in this replicated glass. What is next? Noctilux 1.2? 1.0? Probable?

Erik van Straten 07-25-2019 03:32

The original Summicron 35mm f/2 v1 was not made in black paint, only in black chrome. These black 35's are very rare and expensive.


Erik.

lawrence 07-25-2019 03:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erik van Straten (Post 2901750)
The original Summicron 50mm f/2 v1 was not made in black paint, only in black chrome. These black 35's are very rare and expensive.
Erik.

So this is the perfect opportunity ;)

Erik van Straten 07-25-2019 03:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrence (Post 2901751)
So this is the perfect opportunity ;)


I wrote "50mm f/2", but it must be 35mm f/2, of course.


Erik.

Ko.Fe. 07-25-2019 04:07

Lens needs to be tested at both aperture ends. Closed aperture, against the brick wall.
This will show if centering is correct.

And into the sun, the see how it handles the flare.

KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-25-2019 05:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by brbo (Post 2901729)
Is this lens RF-coupled down to 0.7m?


Yes, just like the original one, 0.7m.

KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-25-2019 05:55

As promised, here are the test shots on film.

Lens: Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype

Film: Kodak 400TX

Scanner: Imacon343


[test samples] Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr


[test samples] Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

[test samples] Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

[test samples] Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

[test samples] Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

[test samples] Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

[test samples] Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

[test samples] Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

[test samples] Leica Summicron 35mm f2 Eight Element Replica Prototype made in China by Kevin-Xu, on Flickr

umcelinho 07-25-2019 06:59

quite nice!

Huss 07-25-2019 07:07

I think the brass finish is fantastic! Makes it stand out from all the others out there.

JoeV 07-25-2019 08:34

On the wide-open shots at the top, the boke looks busy, like it has lines in it. Does the Leica original have this same look?

Also, how many aperture blades, and are they curved?

jsrockit 07-25-2019 08:55

Man, I’ve always wanted a gold lens... now’s my chance!

Timmyjoe 07-25-2019 09:09

Are they going to be selling them in un-plated/un-painted brass like that? That would be pretty cool.

Best,
-Tim

raid 07-25-2019 09:11

Very interesting overall. I want such a lens.

jnalepa 07-25-2019 09:15

Love the film photos! Brass, painted or neither, I just want to try one for myself.

Beemermark 07-25-2019 09:24

I think a lens in LTM would be more desirable than another M mount 35mm lens. Not many (any?)choices in a modern 35mm/2 LTM lens. It could be sold with the LTM to M adapter for those wanting the M mount. My 2 cents.

Erik van Straten 07-25-2019 09:29

It is nice that the Japanese Rayquall LTM to M adapters are again available in black.


LTM lenses are always better because they can be used on both the screw mount Leicas and the M.



Erik.

KEVIN-XU 愛 forever 07-25-2019 09:40

Thank you so much for the comments here! I will keep delivering your guys opinion to him. And I will keep updating information here.

Emile de Leon 07-25-2019 09:43

Looks good..!
Would like to see it compared to the real Leica 8 element at all apertures for comparison..
I did some quick testing of an 8 element back in the day..
Very nice lens..I actually liked it better than my "King of Bokeh" ver 4..

Should have bought it for $400-..before the prices went..whacko..
But then there is the issue..of..how is it mechanically..

Erik van Straten 07-25-2019 10:09

Mechanically the original Leitz lens is excellent. I have two of them, a goggled one and a normal one. It has the same quality as the Summaron-M 35mm f/2.8, maybe even better.

My only complaint is its propensity for flare.

Erik.

B-9 07-25-2019 10:40

Oooh. +1 for a LTM version!

We need a new screwmount lens! (Plus the M guys shouldn’t mind using an adapter!)

aizan 07-25-2019 11:33

I'm so on board with the idea of making replicas of classic lenses. You're filling in a gap in Leica's "Classics Range" with the original 35/2. Can the next lens be a 50mm collapsible Summicron?

The test photos look good, but as with all bokeh shots, IMO the test isn't complete unless the wide open shots are taken side-by-side with the lens stopped down 2-stops.

Emile de Leon 07-25-2019 13:05

Quote:

Mechanically the original Leitz lens is excellent.
Sorry for the confusion..I meant..how is the China lens mechanically..
This would be paramount in my mind..as well as QC..

Erik van Straten 07-25-2019 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emile de Leon (Post 2901829)
Sorry for the confusion..I meant..how is the China lens mechanically..
This would be paramount in my mind..as well as QC..


That is something that we all want to know.


Erik.


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