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Smaug 10-09-2019 22:35

The problem with rangefinders is that >
 
> they don't make enough NOISE during the shot to give the photographer a sense of accomplishment.

I've been shooting mostly my fixed lens rangefinders lately, with the leaf shutters built into the lenses.

Yesterday, I took delivery a Nikon FG. Today, I went out and shot a roll with it. After having gotten used the fixed lens rangefinders, this thing felt loud and shakey! It's like: CHUCK-CHUCK! instead of *click*.

No WONDER folks like Pentax 67s so much! :D

dourbalistar 10-09-2019 22:41

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Originally Posted by Smaug (Post 2917388)
No WONDER folks like Pentax 67s so much! :D

Name plate says Pentax, but the shutter says canon! :D

Huss 10-09-2019 23:21

I dunno, the Fuji GW690III makes a nice loud SPROING!! when you take a pic.

Fjšll 10-10-2019 01:13

Half of the people probably stopped reading for a moment when I took a portrait in a public library once with my Pentax 6x7. Probably one of the best sounding shutters I know of nonetheless. I definitely prefer my leaf shutters though.

Abbazz 10-10-2019 01:51

I love when the Pentax 6x7 goes KUH-PLONK and everybody turn their head... It generates a nice tactile sensation too, with the recoil generated by the gigantic mirror and the massive shutter curtains traveling at full velocity!

My Rollei 35 or Panasonic GM5 don't provide a much satisfactory experience in comparison...

Cheers!

Abbazz

Gregm61 10-10-2019 04:17

But I would bet both your Rollei and Panasonic provide a much more vibration-reducing environment for your images.

css9450 10-10-2019 04:28

My Komaflex has both a leaf shutter and a reflex mirror. Its loud for such a tiny camera! And quite complicated mechanically. Its only real issue is that at its maximum speed (1/500th) it'll consistently do a blurred or double image; I think due to mirror bounce or something.

CharlesDAMorgan 10-10-2019 08:46

I find my Rolleicord to have the least butch shutter sound, with the 'flexes not far behind. The Leica III and the Zorkis I have make a sound that reminds me of cocking the bolt on a Lee Enfield .303 (I'm sure a Mauser or soviet equivalent equally likely).

Of SLRs I find most rather loud and dissonant, with a special place in hell for the 67 I owned, an absurd amount of energy released to ruin exposures with shake. However, for mechanical pleasure the Leicaflex SL2 is rather joyous.

But the summum bonum, the apotheosis of shutters, is that of the Leica M2 or 3 I own (I'm sure other Ms are equally wonderful) and it comes closest to the sound of the virgin's sigh, which is the release of a champagne cork done properly. Add in that wonderful film advance and the whole thing is a private joy.

Larry Cloetta 10-10-2019 11:12

Whenever I want to feel like a professional instead of a sneak, I pull out my Nikon F2 and let it rip. Some kind of perfect mechanical ledgerdemain going on inside that thing, not a snick, not a thwack, not a click. There is just no onomatopoeia which can describe that sound using written letters. Lovely if you are in the mood. Besides, sometimes it's just too quiet in here! Wake up everybody, you're on Not-Candid Camera!

rumbliegeos 10-10-2019 11:18

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Originally Posted by Larry Cloetta (Post 2917482)
Whenever I want to feel like a professional instead of a sneak, I pull out my Nikon F2 and let it rip. Some kind of perfect mechanical ledgerdemain going on inside that thing, not a snick, not a thwack, not a click. There is just no onomatopoeia which can describe that sound using written letters. Lovely if you are in the mood. Besides, sometimes it's just too quiet in here! Wake up everybody, you're on Not-Candid Camera!



As an F2 and M2 user I agree completely with the preceding two posters. I think of the F2 shutter sound at the higher speeds as a bark, and the M2 as a quiet little “ssnickkk”.


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Timmyjoe 10-10-2019 11:20

I find the most annoying sounding shutter of all my cameras is the one on my Nikon FM2N. It's loud, but not extremely so, but man it sounds like a crappy piece of tin, and gives me the sensation that I'm shooting a piece of junk that may fail at any moment. And I've had this camera since new in 1996. Has sounded like this since the beginning.

I love the way my rangefinder shutters sound.

Best,
-Tim

css9450 10-10-2019 11:26

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Originally Posted by rumbliegeos (Post 2917483)
I think of the F2 shutter sound at the higher speeds as a bark....


Now add on the distinctive sound on an MD-2 motordrive... Now THAT's 1970s photojournalism in action!

Larry Cloetta 10-10-2019 11:39

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Originally Posted by css9450 (Post 2917487)
Now add on the distinctive sound on an MD-2 motordrive... Now THAT's 1970s photojournalism in action!

Thatís a bridge too far, even for me, because I just donít look grown up enough to be manning that thing.

mpaniagua 10-10-2019 11:48

Dunno, Kiev 88 shutter sounds "industrial". Load and metallic. :)

Pentode 10-10-2019 11:55

One of the (many) reasons I stopped using a Bronica S2a many years ago was the KA-PLOCK!! of the shutter. That thing felt like it was trying to jump out of my hands and make a getaway.

Pentode 10-10-2019 11:55

Sorry- double posted.

johnf04 10-10-2019 12:06

The problem with rangefinders is.....you can take a photograph with the lens cap on.

Barry Kirsten 10-10-2019 12:18

I'm loving this thread. Probably the greatest photographic cringe factor for me is shutter noise and I avoid it like the plague. Where possible in an SLR I use mirror lockup mainly to reduce mirror vibration, because the mirror has to do its thing anyway. In any small camera the standard I look for in shutter noise is something that compares with the sound of my LF lenses leaf shutters. I'm ever the optimist.

charjohncarter 10-10-2019 12:23

I have a Petri 7s (fixed shutter) that has the quietest shutter. But cocking the shutter sounds like my Pentax 6x7.

Abbazz 10-10-2019 14:24

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Originally Posted by Gregm61 (Post 2917428)
But I would bet both your Rollei and Panasonic provide a much more vibration-reducing environment for your images.

Contrary to the commonly accepted Internet truth, I have never felt that the big Pentax was particularly subject to vibration induced image blur. The camera has a very comfortable grip and I can reliably shoot at 1/30s handheld with the 105mm, while 1/30s with the GM5 (no in-body image stabilization) and a 25mm lens is more like gambling.

Maybe it's because the hands holding firmly the large camera act as an energy dissipator. Or maybe because the vibrations are mostly induced by the mirror going up before the shutter starts firing and have therefore no ill effect on image sharpness.

Cheers!

Abbazz

seany65 10-10-2019 15:16

My Ferrania Elioflex mk1 has a shutter so quiet that you never know if you've fired it until you go to wind on and you hear the loud klunk of the double-exposure prevention mechanism.

giganova 10-10-2019 15:24

I sometimes take my Mamiya RZ67 out at parties to entertain them with the shutter noise ... absolutely gorgeous sound that covers so many frequencies.

peterm1 10-10-2019 15:40

The problem with rangefinders is that..........they are all Nikon F SLRs in disguise (apparently) ;) :) :)

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...hlight=nikon+f

james.liam 10-10-2019 16:18

The Leica R8/9 have shutter sounds that declare their presence but unobtrusively and without vibrations; quickly and efficiently. A pleasing noise.

Got to wholeheartedly agree with Timmyjoe on the FM2n. Sloppy KERPLONK. Unbecoming of an otherwise solid machine.

kxl 10-10-2019 17:12

The problem with rangefinders is that......... they don't take good pictures. At least mine don't. Every RF camera that I've owned for 30+ years has been bad.

CharlesDAMorgan 10-12-2019 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmyjoe (Post 2917484)
I find the most annoying sounding shutter of all my cameras is the one on my Nikon FM2N. It's loud, but not extremely so, but man it sounds like a crappy piece of tin, and gives me the sensation that I'm shooting a piece of junk that may fail at any moment. And I've had this camera since new in 1996. Has sounded like this since the beginning.

I love the way my rangefinder shutters sound.

Best,
-Tim

I took my FM2n out yesterday to finish the roll. What has always struck me about Nikon gear is how well it is made, how good a job Nikon engineers did to make cameras that were ergonomic and functional, that could be relied on to do the job. I suspect optimising the sounds featured low down their list of things to get right. It is just a metallic click that does its job.

Ambro51 10-12-2019 05:26

I hate a camera with a shutter So quiet that it leaves me unsure it fired. As far as Noise, I vw got a Bell and Howell Foton, which is loud for a single shot....the thing can fire off 17 equally noisy shots at 6 frames per second!

George Mann 10-12-2019 19:11

The sound most cameras make don't bother me. Only the ones I can't hear (did it work?)!

james.liam 10-12-2019 19:13

The problem with rangefinders....long lenses are a bitch to use. And by long, 90mm and above.

davidnewtonguitars 10-12-2019 20:31

The M2 is almost noiseless, but I can feel the shutter actuate through the button. I like that.

Richard G 10-12-2019 23:07

Ahem. "K-Kla—Shoomp." (500C/M)

Archlich 10-12-2019 23:18

The leaf shutter, rangefinder Plaubel Makina 67 makes a noticeable thump. I believe there're many rangefinder cameras that are pretty loud out there. The Robot Royal for example.

Now that it's 2019, I see even less point in this argument. None would better an electronic shutter in this regard.

Out to Lunch 10-13-2019 05:51

There are no problems with rangefinders. They are what they is. If you have a problem with rangefinders. Deal with it.

Solinar 10-13-2019 05:59

An electronically control actuation lacks a certain "je ne sais quoi"
 
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Originally Posted by Archlich (Post 2917901)
The leaf shutter, rangefinder Plaubel Makina 67 makes a noticeable thump. I believe there're many rangefinder cameras that are pretty loud out there. The Robot Royal for example.

Now that it's 2019, I see even less point in this argument. None would better an electronic shutter in this regard.

This past week I was using an old late 1950'ies Voigtlander fixed-lens 35mm rangefinder in a quiet interior room with a marble staircase and granite floors. The lighting was rather dim. I don't know if anyone else was able to hear it, but at 1/15th of a second, the shutter actuated with such a satisfying "schnick" - that had a touch of spring and gear driven whir from the slow speed escapement.

I don't think sound of the shutter actuation at 1/15th of second on my nearly all electric Olympus XA would be nearly as pleasurable.

Ko.Fe. 10-13-2019 07:42

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Originally Posted by Out to Lunch (Post 2917925)
There are no problems with rangefinders. They are what they is. If you have a problem with rangefinders. Deal with it.

They can't. They are SLRians.

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"no shutter sound"
Whut? M8 and any Bessa will give you shutter sound. HCB called Leica shutter sound as the "kiss". I'd rather hear kiss as sound of my accomplishment than stove's exhaust flapper on windy day.

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"could take photo with cap on the lens"
enjoy your yellow, red filter on SLR.

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"long lenses are not good on RF"
HCB has no problem with 90 on M3. And SLR wide ones sucks. Show me SLR 21 as small as CV CS 21 f4. Or as small 90/4 as LTM Elmar.

ChrisPlatt 10-13-2019 09:54

The electronic shutter of my Bronica RF645 sounded like an asthmatic rodent.

Chris

Deardorff38 10-13-2019 10:01

there is no problem w rangefinder cameras!

raid 10-13-2019 10:11

There may exist instead some problems with RF camera users!

Phil_F_NM 10-13-2019 12:01

All the shipboard US Navy photographers mates used Pentax 67s for aerial shots from helicopters since the late 80s. Hanging out a helo door a thousand feet from the water is one of those places where the 67 doesn't sound loud at all...

I loved the sound of the Bronica S2a, like racking a Mossberg 12ga!

The quietest shutter I never heard was my old Hexar on silent mode. I had to watch the framelines reset to make sure it fired.

As for the OP, just keep living, all those shutters will keep getting quieter and quieter... I can't hear my Retina IIa out of my right ear at all these days, and my left probably isn't far behind.
Phil Forrest

markjwyatt 10-14-2019 10:47

I like the lack of noise on my Contax iia. The problems with rangefinders include (already mentioned)- lens cap, but i have trained myself well, and my Voigtlander lens actually unscrewed a ways on me a couple of times (SC Skopar 21mm f4). I think I have it safely snug now, but I lost most of a roll a couple of weeks ago, because I did not catch it until after I shot the roll (I took the yellow filter off and saw it). I love the lens, so I just need to keep checking it to be sure. If I had an SLR, I would have found the problem immediately.


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