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Nokton48 10-01-2018 11:28

J. Lane Glass Dry Plates
 
J Lane 6.5cmx9cm Dry Plates by Nokton48, on Flickr

Those of us with old rangefinder folders (I like old Plaubel Makinas!) might like to know about the glass dry plates, being produced by J. Lane. He is making them in many different sizes. I bought three boxes of his 6.5x9cm plates for the Makinas.

BTW I am not affiliated with the seller in any way. Since I was ten years old I have been interested in historic processes and using cameras.

One of the cool things about dry plates, is that you can shoot them anywhere, and process months later. These come out fine that way.


dry plate photography by Nokton48, on Flickr

Here is the link to buy them directly:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/5812747...SABEgIiv_D_BwE

bmattock 10-01-2018 11:42

Oh, that's interesting! I have a couple antique German plate cameras that might be fun to shoot with, instead of my trusty 6x9 roll film adapter.

Ted Striker 10-01-2018 11:59

ASA 2!!!


Is there a high speed ASA 4 version?

Nokton48 10-01-2018 12:02

Develop it in HC-110 "A" instead of HC-110 "B" for more speed (and of course, more contrast). I can shoot in bright sunlight, with the Makinas handheld, at 1/50 @ F2.9, with ASA 2. So very portable and very do-able. And I love the "look" of the 100mm Plaubel Makina Anticomar at F2.9


This is how they used to do it back in the 1890's :)

aizan 10-01-2018 14:08

if he can make them in 6x13cm and 45x107mm, i might get one of those old stereoscopic cameras. i got GAS after seeing the 3D show at LACMA.

Nokton48 10-01-2018 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by aizan (Post 2838226)
if he can make them in 6x13cm and 45x107mm, i might get one of those old stereoscopic cameras. i got GAS after seeing the 3D show at LACMA.

He will custom cut them to any size you require.

Also many dealers are now stocking his plates. The list is growing.

Nokton48 10-01-2018 15:15

DSC01430 by Nokton48, on Flickr

This is a 135mm F2 (only) B&H Super Cinephor lens, made for theatrical projection of 35mm and 70mm movies. The top speed of the Makiflex Standard is 1/125, and the bright sun exposure at ASA 2 is 1/125 at F2. So I will use this camera and lens with the dry plates. A perfect matchup.


Is anybody here trying these new glass dry plates? Who else is considering getting these?

Nokton48 10-07-2018 08:45

here is a Guy trying out 11x14" J. Lane dry plates. Shows the process start to finish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uIVOOfVys4

Nokton48 10-07-2018 08:52

as you can see, I have plenty of Plaubel Makina 6.5x9cm holders. These were designed to hold glass plates.

DSC01440 by Nokton48, on Flickr

instaneous dry plate by Nokton48, on Flickr

dry plate photography is back by Nokton48, on Flickr

Ilford Plates by Nokton48, on Flickr

Eastman Dry Plates by Nokton48, on Flickr

Nokton48 10-13-2018 06:23

Helpful Info on how to store processed dry plates:

https://www.archives.gov/preservatio...negatives.html

This has been a concern for me getting going with this. But no worries now!

Actually I will store these in the boxes they came in..............

Nokton48 10-13-2018 06:39

Film Septum Inside Plaubel Makina Plate Holder by Nokton48, on Flickr

Here is the insides of a Plaubel Makina Plate Holder. All of my plate holders (I have over fifty of them!) have FILM SEPTUMS inside them. This is an available accessory to allow shooting 6.5x9cm sheet film in the plate holder. To shoot glass plates, simply remove the film septum and drop in the plate. There is a very clever clamp which them locks the glass plate in the holder.

A friend sent me a sheet of mohair (hard to find!) so I have used that to re-do some of the plate light trapping in the plate holders. I cut the mohair, burn the edges with a cigarette lighter, then glue into the holder, using pliobond cement. An interesting winter restoration project.

Nokton48 11-09-2018 16:31

This Guy made his own emulsion at a workshop, this is what is great about dry plate photography

Bridge over troubled water by Markus Jork, on Flickr

Who cares if film goes away? Make your own :)

Nokton48 11-09-2018 16:32

I am retiring end of this year so I will start to shoot some dry plate finally :)

Larry Cloetta 11-10-2018 06:39

Does anyone know if it is possible to successfully use Graflex plate holders in a Linhof?

Sarcophilus Harrisii 11-10-2018 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Cloetta (Post 2847141)
Does anyone know if it is possible to successfully use Graflex plate holders in a Linhof?

Larry,
if they have the same fit as their film backs and Grafmatic magazines I think so. Older Tech models used a proprietary attachment I believe. My own Linhof is the last version of the Super Technika III (same type of lens bed as the IV) and as I understand it was the first to adopt the international (Ie Graflok) system for film holders and backs etc. Iíd confirm that first, as Iím by no means an expert on plate holders, roll film backs etc but if Iím correct any 4x5Ē Super Technika IV, V or Master should be able to use them (and presumably the Linhof monorails from the equivalent period, as well).
See Stephenís article about the Linhofs, here:
https://www.cameraquest.com/techs.htm
Cheers,
Brett

Nokton48 11-10-2018 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Cloetta (Post 2847141)
Does anyone know if it is possible to successfully use Graflex plate holders in a Linhof?

Most likely so. There are a couple of different kinds of Graflex holders. I guess Graflex made glass plate holders, too?

If you are talking about loading dry plates into a Linhof, they did made these holders in all sizes, and they will work with glass plates, or regular modern photo film. I have some of these in 6.5x9cm, 2.25x3.25, 9x12cm, and 4x5".

This is a good way to shoot dry plates in a Linhof. :cool:

2016-01-16 13.07.45 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Larry Cloetta 11-10-2018 08:54

Thank you both. I guess I should have known that Linhof made holders which would work. Though the Graflex ones would, I'm guessing, be somewhat less dear:)
I guess I will have to look. Worth a try at some point.

Nokton48 11-10-2018 10:02

I'm going to plug Jason's website as you can buy his products directly from him, or through several photo dealers (including Freestyle among others). I bought directly from Jason and it was quick and very easy to do.

https://www.pictoriographica.com/

Buy from him here:

https://www.etsy.com/shop/Pictoriogr...em-count#items

A recent review that says it all.......

Excellent. I picked up a pair of 9x12 cameras for cheap only to discover not only that film wasn't easily available, but that the cameras themselves seemed to be designed to work with glass plates. Jason Lane to the rescue! These plates not only have helped me turn a pair of seeming shelf queens into usable cameras, they have opened up an avenue of photography that is remarkably "rustic" while surprisingly simple. The feeling of holding a very vintage feeling glass negative that you took is simply incredible. This is going to get addictive! His prices are quite reasonable for hand made media, and he is very responsive and pleasant. Fantastic item!

aizan 11-10-2018 15:23

What's it like shooting at ISO 2?

Larry Cloetta 11-10-2018 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by aizan (Post 2847230)
What's it like shooting at ISO 2?

Best use a tripod, mostly.

Nokton48 11-10-2018 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by aizan (Post 2847230)
What's it like shooting at ISO 2?

In low light will use a tripod. I can shoot in bright sunlight, with the old Plaubel Makinas handheld, at 1/50 @ F2.9, with ASA 2. So very portable and very do-able. And I love the "look" of the 100mm Plaubel Makina Anticomar at F2.9 wide open. Seems like a good match.

With the Makiflex I can shoot at 1/125 at F2 in bright sun, using my 135mm Super Cinephor 70mm movie projection lens. That will make for some unique images I am hoping.

I have a few more ducks to line up before starting this project. Need a way to dry the glass negatives, they are very delicate when wet. I want a drying stand that will do 9x12cm and 6.5x9cm on the same drying rack. I am inquiring with Jason to see if I can buy a couple of extra wood strips for his drying rack, that seems like the best option to me. Or I could build this myself in my workshop, it might be a fun woodworking project. This is how they used to do it back in the 1890's. Worked back then :)

Jason Lane Drying Rack for dry plates by Nokton48, on Flickr

301_orig by Nokton48, on Flickr

^^^ Jason's glass cutting process.


I will start posting images as soon as I get everything lined up and running right. Should be a blast.

Rob-F 11-10-2018 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by aizan (Post 2847230)
What's it like shooting at ISO 2?

One-half second at f/16 for frontally lit subjects in full sun, I guess. Or 1/30 at f/4.

Nokton48 11-10-2018 19:04

Interestingly he even offers these for use in 24x36mm cameras. I tried to do this when I was 15 years old, it didn't work for me. Too many issues. Some day I might try it again, using his precoated plates for 35mm cameras.

Nokton48 11-11-2018 05:28

OK so how how do you do this? Load the plate holders under a red safelight (I have the old Pattersons in my darkroom). Very straightforward. I'm going to use 5x7 Patterson trays for developing, and a great hint I picked up while mining for info, is to use a cheap plastic kitchen spatchula to move the developing plates from tray to tray. Minimal chance of getting edge damage that way. The emulsion is quite delicate. Chemical and wash temperatures must all be the same, or you will have problems.

HC110 "B" for six minutes, develop by inspection as needed. Dry plates on Lane drying rack. Waiting to hear from Jason on getting one custom made for my needs. Then I'll be ready to go.

Nokton48 11-17-2018 08:33

I've just ordered one of Jason's drying racks. I will move the wooden strips down so that this unit will work with my 6.5x9cm plates. I've not seen anybody else out there shooting medium format dry plates. This will be a hoot. If I like it, I will buy some more plates in 9x12cm and 4x5".

You can also make these yourself, cut the glass yourself, and use Liquid Light, or make your own emulsion. I think I will stick to using Jason's plates for now. Here is his setup, it looks rather complicated.

J Lane Plate Coating Process by Nokton48, on Flickr

aizan 11-17-2018 09:51

Cool stuff, Nokton! I'm thinking of getting an Ica Polyscop because of this thread.

If you're at the edge of hand holdability in bright sunlight, what's the reciprocity failure correction?

Nokton48 11-17-2018 10:50

Aizan,

These plates have a VERY long toe, Jason says has tweaked the emulsion to be so. I've read NO reciprocity effect to speak of, but have no experience with them yet. And I've read comments about the copious shadow detail in these plates. Scanning these reveals shadow detail you would not expect from modern film emulsions, or from eyeballing the plate. Of course Jason wants our input to improve his products.

I prefer to use a tripod when I can, so that aspect of this is no big deal to me. But great that I can handhold in bright sunlight (or use a flashbulb!)

Also, you can shoot these plates with a #47B deep blue, and you will get a rendition more like you would get with a collodion wet plate (think early wet plate photos). Might try that! And none of the risks and dangers of shooting wet plate.

Nokton48 11-17-2018 11:10

Regarding the Ica Polyscop,

Cool camera!

Jason will custom cut the glass plates to fit that camera.

peterm1 11-17-2018 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nokton48 (Post 2847052)
This Guy made his own emulsion at a workshop, this is what is great about dry plate photography

Bridge over troubled water by Markus Jork, on Flickr

Who cares if film goes away? Make your own :)

I do love the tonality and overall rendering available from MF and LF lenses on old technology. It is most impossible to emulate any other way.

Nokton48 11-17-2018 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterm1 (Post 2848731)
I do love the tonality and overall rendering available from MF and LF lenses on old technology. It is most impossible to emulate any other way.

Absolutely Peter! That is why I want to follow this strategy and see what becomes of it. I suspect I will be delighted. I love the tonality as well. And it is fairly easy to achieve (I understand) with these materials. The results are out on the internet for all to see.

Jason started dry plate images thread over here: http://www.largeformatphotography.in...ight=dry+plate

Unfortunately the moderators think medium format is inky-dinky so maybe they will not allow my Makina dry plate images. We will see, I want to contribute over there, and on this thread as well. And there is always 4x5/9x12 down the road.

Stay tuned.

Nokton48 11-17-2018 15:35

GP Antique Bikes Weatherford by rrunnertexas, on Flickr

Also from the internet. J. Lane 4x5 Plate 1893 Blair Hawkeye Detective camera. Not too bad results ^^^ from a camera 125 years old :D

Blair Hawkeye Detective by Nokton48, on Flickr

Nokton48 11-17-2018 18:11

Jason responded back that his wood Guy really didn't want to customize the wooden rack he sells. So here is his response:

"that still leaves you without a drying rack for your smaller plates. I have my own antique plate drying rack which holds anything from 16x20 down to 35mm plates. What I'm thinking is this: I can replicate my own plate drying rack but it'd take about a week and would cost $50 in materials."

This is a great solution and I'm grateful to Jason. He cancelled my drying rack order from his regular stock, and I've now paid him for my custom made drying rack.

This one he says will work from 35mm to 8x10. I have cameras in all of those sizes.
Can't beat that! :)

Nokton48 11-20-2018 08:16

I just saw this over on www.apug.org, so I will pass it along here:


Hello to my dry plate shooting friends in Europe! Dust off your dry plate cameras and find those dry plate holders!

I am very pleased to announce that J. Lane Dry Plates will soon be available from Schwarzweiss Fotolabor in Dusseldorf, Germany! The first shipment of plates was sent out today and will arrive at their store sometime over the next few weeks. They are very excited to be stocking these plates, and have told me they are happy to ship to anyone in Europe including the UK!

Schwarzweiss Fotolabor and Pictoriographica share a mutual goal of providing the wonderfully unique dry plates to European photographers at a lower cost than if ordering them directly from me in the United States.
They will initially be stocking plates in the following sizes:

4" x 5"
5" x 7"
8" x 10"
Whole Plate
9x12 cm

However, as always I can make plates in any size, so please contact them with your specific requests. Our plan is to ship plates -- both stock for their inventory and custom requests -- on a monthly (or faster as needed) basis.
See their website at http://www.schwarzweiss-fotolabor.de/ for contact information.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to offer my sincere thanks for all the support and encouragement you as a community and as individuals have shown in my endeavor to supply dry plates to the world. It's very much appreciated and it started right here on Photrio!

Best Regards,
Jason Lane of Pictoriographica
Thomas Ochs of Schwarzweiss Fotolabor
Newly made photograhic dry plates available in any size!
More info at http://www.pictoriographica.com
.. because my wife is happy when I can cover my photography expenses.

Jerevan 11-22-2018 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nokton48 (Post 2847153)

If you are talking about loading dry plates into a Linhof, they did made these holders in all sizes, and they will work with glass plates, or regular modern photo film. I have some of these in 6.5x9cm, 2.25x3.25, 9x12cm, and 4x5".

This is a good way to shoot dry plates in a Linhof. :cool:

2016-01-16 13.07.45 by Nokton48, on Flickr

If I remember it correctly, they were called "Auswerfer", from auswerfen, "throw out", since they have a release mechanism. I had a few, but they were impossible to use with sheet film - perhaps there was a secret trick that I never found out about. :)

For some reason, I got a bunch of 6,5x9 cm normal film holders since I wanted to get into that format for some odd reason, but I couldn't get any film in that size so they are hiding in a cupboard ...

Anyways, looking forward to try some J. Lane plates in a few months time.

Nokton48 11-23-2018 12:47

Jerevan,

This Guy has been a good source for outdated ORWO 6.5x9cm film. I have bought a lot of boxes from him, he will adjust his prices.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORWO-NP22-c...frcectupt=true

2016-02-03 18.05.03 by Nokton48, on Flickr

6.5x9cm film is imposible to find in the USA. But also, many dealers in the UK have fresh 6.5x9cm Ilford FP4+. I also have a lot of that.

2016-02-16 15.26.52 by Nokton48, on Flickr

There is also a lot of short-dated FOMA 6.5x9cm around if you dig a bit.

Nokton48 11-24-2018 06:47

Jason Lane Custom Drying Rack by Nokton48, on Flickr

On the left, Jason's Antique Plate Drying Rack. This unit works with plates from 35mm to 16x20". In the Center, his custom made (by him) prototype of the modern version of same. He says it functions perfectly with his dry plates. On the right, my drying rack, ready to be assembled. YAY!

He says he will assemble my unit today, varnish it, and then out it goes to me :) Not bad for $50. Looks like a lot of work.

I've been waiting for this thing, so I can get started.

Jerevan 11-24-2018 07:17

The plate rack looks great, Nokton48 - always nice being able to get newly made stuff.

Thanks for the pointers on the 6.5x9 film. Now I am going to have to find a camera that fits with the filmholders, hah. :D

Nokton48 11-24-2018 07:44

Archival storage instructions specific to glass plates here:

https://www.archives.gov/preservatio...negatives.html

Good long term source for archival glass plate storage here:

https://www.gaylord.com/Photo%2C-Pri...tem/p/HYB02428

https://www.gaylord.com/Preservation...%29/p/HYB01678

Nokton48 11-24-2018 08:56

More from the Internet. 4x5" J Lane Dry Plate, Super Speed Graphic, 203 Optar.

Trillium (glass negative) by Markus Jork, on Flickr

Nokton48 11-25-2018 06:11

SpearfishFalls by Nokton48, on Flickr

Another J Lane Dry Plate from the Internet. Spearfish Falls

Chamonix 045N, 1920 Zeiss Dagor 4 inch, Compur Dial, ISO 1, 4x5" Lane Dry Plate

2 sec at F11


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