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mauro scacco 10-22-2008 05:18

Summitar the star...
 
Leica IIc - summitar 50
Taggia (Italy-Liguria)





robin a 10-22-2008 05:24

Very Nice,I like them............Robin

sleepyhead 10-22-2008 05:27

The old lens combined with black and white film and the subjects - looks like it could have been shot by HCB 60 years ago, but I assume these are fairly recent pictures.

Nice!

pipal 10-22-2008 05:38

summitar is a very good lens. I love mine, which is, I believe from 1948. It can do as good images as this one taken last month:

like2fiddle 10-22-2008 05:43

Ok, now you've done it! I am going to NYC for the weekend and couldn't decide what lens to take, but now I think I must take the Summitar;)

Mr_Flibble 10-22-2008 05:45

Yours look great Mauro & Pipal,

I still need to get to grips with mine from 1939, I was not overly impressed what it could do with color film (kodak VR plus) in my IIIc when I was in Ypres a week ago. Though I already like it better then my Summar.



I guess it's time to try B/W film.

helenhill 10-22-2008 15:21

Just Outstanding, the Italian Mystique in those photos - Mauro

Pipel & Rick....Wonderful shots

The summitar is Timeless....

Best-H

Dektol Dan 10-22-2008 15:46

Summitar & Color
 
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Is breathtaking.... Old Most Excellent glass with the new negative color films is a new world to be explored.

Leica M4, Porta, 1949 Coated Summitar.

harry01562 10-22-2008 15:55

I love the shots, both B&W and night color. The Summitar is a lovely little fun lens to use. Mine is from 1946, and coated, and I also sometimes use a 1935 Summar with B&W for a dreamier effect. Fortunately, both of my lenses have very good glass.

Harry

peterm1 10-22-2008 16:08

I toyed with the idea of getting a Summar at one stage but I then realised that I already have a Summitar which is better while sharing the Sumamrs characteristic rendering. So I decided to use my Summitar more. I have a great deal of affection for this lens.

raydm6 10-23-2008 01:23

Nice photos guys. I love this lens' signature. I've been using mine (1949 coated) without the barndoor lens hood and a lot of my photos lack that deep contrast which is to be expected.

- Ray

oscroft 10-23-2008 01:54

Those are great photos - I love the middle one, especially.

It really should inspire me - I have an early uncoated Summitar that I've only shot a couple of test rolls with, and I got great results with it.

So, I resolve to use my Summitar during the winter :D

adji_jo 10-23-2008 02:30

ooo Myyy God! did the spirit of HCB posses you??? it's an awesome lens and it seems like that type of lens that, no matter how suck you are at photography, it will still come out divine. I'm wondering what the equivalent lens of the summitar is nowadays?

great photos guys...

like2fiddle 10-23-2008 03:48

Mauro,
I forgot to ask what film and developer you are using. You have certainly hit on an old fashioned look.

bcostin 10-25-2008 18:48

I'm always impressed by the results from this lens, especially in contrasty B&W. Though these color shots are also impressive.

mauro scacco 10-25-2008 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by like2fiddle (Post 918555)
Mauro,
I forgot to ask what film and developer you are using. You have certainly hit on an old fashioned look.

Thx all!
The old lenses (and old cameras) have a special charm for me...
My actual formula is agfa apx 100 in rodinal 1/120 (semistand) but also fp4 or trix
Mauro

Dfin 10-26-2008 02:28

Mr. Flibble,is that a photo of the Menin Gate? I`ve just finished Somme Mud, a semi -autobiographical novel,about Australian W.W.1 diggers in Belgium & France. I like the mutted colours rendered by this lens, i`ve just had my summarit F/1.5 cleaned but have yet to run some film past it.

Mr_Flibble 10-26-2008 11:44

Yes, it's the Menin Gate in Ypres, I walked around town for an hour or two with a friend taking turns using his tripod for low-light photographs. This one was the nicest I managed with the IIIc.

35photo 11-05-2008 09:18

I have a summitar I believe from 1949 that I use on my M6. I actually had it serviced at Golden Touch and Sherry told that it was her opinion that this lens was Leica's most underrated and sharpest 50mm. When is lens is stopped down boy its damn sharp, but when you open it up the magic starts happening esp with B&W film. Yeah, the lens has a great signature to it that's for sure as by the images shown so far.

Marko

TMLee 11-11-2008 19:05

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I am new to the Summitar 50/2 . This is from my first roll with it. Shot at [email protected]/500 +1/3stop . Kodak BW400CN.

I notice the corners of the image are kind of (how do you say it?) 'blurred' ? Also, its almost noticeable that there is a central circle where things are pretty sharp, beyond which the blurry effect is seen.

Is this the unique signature of this lens that has been oft spoken about ?

TMLee 11-11-2008 19:10

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On the same roll of film, here is the same pic taken with the ZM50/2 Planar.
Shot at [email protected]/500 +1/3stop as well.

At first glance, this 2nd shot has blacker blacks.

The previous shot above by the Summitar is not as black and is more grey, which is what I want actually. Greater tonality as some have described ?

john341 11-18-2008 14:00

Love that Summitar
 
I just returned from Germanyy where I took lots of pix with my IIIa with summitar. The results always surprise me for such an old lens

sanmich 11-18-2008 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by 35photo (Post 926268)
I have a summitar I believe from 1949 that I use on my M6. I actually had it serviced at Golden Touch and Sherry told that it was her opinion that this lens was Leica's most underrated and sharpest 50mm. When is lens is stopped down boy its damn sharp, but when you open it up the magic starts happening esp with B&W film. Yeah, the lens has a great signature to it that's for sure as by the images shown so far.

Marko

I'm quite surprised about the opinion of Sherry on the Summitar.
One of the most underrated, probably, but one of the sharpest lenses... I don't know.
At larger apertures, my summitar resole slightly less than my coll cron, espescially in the corners. Is there a reason to think that stopping it down turns it into a "super-sharpness machine" :confused:

johne 11-25-2008 16:37

I got a Summitar as a body cap with a Leica III F. Sherry Krauter transformed it into a pleasing bit of glass. See my gallery site here for recent shots.
johne

David Murphy 11-25-2008 18:42

Yes you know I really think the Summitar is really sort of a break point historically where Leica started to catch up to Zeiss optically. The later coated versions are very modern in character, sharp with true color rendition. It's built like a tank too - tremendous value as a used LTM lens.

David Hughes 11-30-2008 01:35

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Originally Posted by David Murphy (Post 939835)
Yes you know I really think the Summitar is really sort of a break point historically where Leica started to catch up to Zeiss optically. The later coated versions are very modern in character, sharp with true color rendition. It's built like a tank too - tremendous value as a used LTM lens

Here's a sample with a 40's era Summitar I used to own mounted on a Leica M2 using Agfa Vista 400 color print film:

I'll second that; after the Summitar the improvements seem, well, gradual rather than rapid. It's a great lens and dirt cheap; provided we keep quiet about it.

With hindsight, I should have bought one secondhand when I started out many years ago and then never bother to up-grade until the M6 arrived...

Regards, David

PS I don't like the style and prices of the Summitar lens hood but the cheapo (cast iron and crackle finish) Summarit l/hood will fit if shimmed with a strip of plastic from a black cable tie. Cable ties are like this in cross section "[" and a sharp knife, keen eye and a steel ruler will make it simple to trim to "L" in cross section. Then cut to length and line the l/hood. The "flange" means the bit of plastic sits properly. It gives the period look some of us like, although the modern M hoods would be nicer to use but I've not taken a knife to one yet...

John Lawrence 11-30-2008 03:37

Just as a PPS to David's comments above, I use the Leitz 12585 vented hood with my summitar.

David Hughes 12-01-2008 12:17

Hi,

I had to look that one up and found it at £3-14/6 plus 13/4 purchase tax in 1966. The silly part is that I've one on the M2 but didn't recognise it as as 12585. And we can't do all the NOOKY jokes with numbers...

Regards, David

Ronald M 12-01-2008 16:13

Proves you don`t need a bag full of lenses to take great pics.

tooffy 12-03-2008 15:20

Oh wow! all very nice guys. Can't wait for mine to arrive:)

sircarl 12-04-2008 01:57

The Summitar is one of my favorite lenses. This taken in London a couple of days ago, by Westminster Bridge, with my IIIf:





Mr_Flibble 12-04-2008 03:53

Great shots Melvin & Carl,

I haven't really had much chance to use any of my Leicas for a couple of weeks. Next in a week I'm going to the Ardennes again (for the Bastogne Historical Walk). It sounds like a good opportunity to use my Summitar once more.
Though last year I did not have so much luck with my cameras in the cold. My Kodak35 tore up the film pretty badly.

Mr_Flibble 12-16-2008 12:11

Two shots from taken with my IIIc and Summitar. The cold did some weird things to the shutter. It didn't sound consistent. Some pictures have what looks like a lightleak or a curtain-hangup. It appears to be running fine at room temperature though.




helenhill 12-16-2008 12:47

Wow Mr. Flibble
those Shots are Soooo Cool
have that Cinematography FEEL
Love it !1

BTW had to send back that summitar I purchased
way too soft ...something off ... Sadly I have not tred to purchase another but your shots give me that LUST Factor

Best to You - H :)

benmacphoto 12-16-2008 12:58

Mr_Flibble, Those are fantastic images.

TMLee 12-16-2008 18:42



ZI + Summitar.
f2 @ 1/15 Kodak Gold 200

raydm6 12-17-2008 00:50

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Originally Posted by TMLee (Post 954005)
ZI + Summitar.
f2 @ 1/15 Kodak Gold 200

Wow! That is very sharp TMLee!! Wide open and at 1/15 even :eek:. Like the diagonal orientation.

- Ray

TMLee 12-17-2008 16:03

Tks Ray,
I had help from the bar counter.
Plus the friendly bartender and almost no one else around , contributed to the opportunity.
The point of focus was the white bottle front row 'ABsolut Pears' ...

mauro scacco 02-17-2010 13:44

New examples for this fantastic lens
 
Some news from "Summitar the star" and leica III black
Thx Mauro

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raydm6 02-22-2010 00:55

Lovely shots above Mauro!

I was out strolling meter-less with my IIIf and Summitar yesterday and was guessing exposures. This was 1/100 @f/8 Ektar 100 (color curves adjusted a bit to bring out the red).



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