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BillBlackwell 06-23-2019 12:41

M-E (typ240)
 
Leica must really be overstocked on M240 parts!

https://us.leica-camera.com/Photogra...ca-M/Leica-M-E

ptpdprinter 06-23-2019 12:47

I thought they cleared them out with those Zenits. Must have had a bunch of body castings. And space grey. How trendy. Even the new X1D II is space grey.

Huss 06-23-2019 13:34

So it's 'just' an M-240 with a different paint job?
How much for this lump?

ptpdprinter 06-23-2019 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huss (Post 2895846)
How much for this lump?

Whatever they charge I am sure they will sell them. They need an entry level M. The M10P now costs $8K.

Ko.Fe. 06-23-2019 16:41

So, every leica camera at the end of production is M-E. E fur End.

Huss 06-23-2019 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. (Post 2895888)
So, every leica camera at the end of production is M-E. E fur End.

Nice observation!

This M-E offers more than the base M10 - such as the leveling display, longer battery life and video.

Emile de Leon 06-23-2019 19:33

I actually like it!
If it costs less..
I may actually spring for my 1st M Digital..

Ccoppola82 06-23-2019 20:11

Why not just get a good condition used MP240??

bucs 06-23-2019 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ccoppola82 (Post 2895917)
Why not just get a good condition used MP240??

Curious to know what's the difference between mp240 and me240.

Ccoppola82 06-23-2019 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucs (Post 2895922)
Curious to know what's the difference between mp240 and me240.

Iím going to assume price and I didnít see mention of sapphire glass rear screen. Not sure what they said the M-E case is made from, but the MP240 is nice brass.

Archiver 06-23-2019 22:11

TBH that looks pretty nice. Although I'd prefer a mint M-P 240 in plain black. The anthracite grey is interesting, though, and the 'genuine leather' covering sounds good, too. Certainly better than the 'premium vegan leather' of the Lenny Kravitz model.

Mark Wood 06-24-2019 05:09

The good(ish) news - £3,500 in the UK. The bad news, limited to 750 worldwide by the looks of things:

https://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/m-bo...mera-body.html

benlees 06-24-2019 06:18

The local camera shop here has it listed at $4695 CDN. The 262 is "on sale" for $6195 CDN. The M-E is almost a bargain...

Archlich 06-24-2019 06:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ccoppola82 (Post 2895917)
Why not just get a good condition used MP240??

The old, 2012 M-E was priced a bit higher than the used price of the M9 at the time, but came with warranty, which was essential to the failure-prone digital Ms. Same applies to this one. Leica does know the used market well...

Huss 06-24-2019 06:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ccoppola82 (Post 2895917)
Why not just get a good condition used MP240??

1. New camera with warranty
b. Nice, different finish
iii. see 1.

jja 06-24-2019 10:22

U.S. price is $3995 for the new ME. What's the lowest price Leica has charged for a full frame digital M? I have not read the full spec, but the new ME appears to have everything the MP240 has, minus the sapphire glass. A brand new MP240 lists at $7495.

Huss 06-24-2019 10:38

That is an excellent price. The original M-E based on the M9 was $5500 and that was 5+ years ago.

BillBlackwell 06-24-2019 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by jja (Post 2896028)
U.S. price is $3995 ... the new ME appears to have everything the MP240 has, minus the sapphire glass. ...

Not quite. The M-E 240 doesn't have the frameline preview selector. But it is an improvement over the M240 due to its 2MB buffer (same as M-P 240).

In the Leica world, based on what I currently know about it, it's not a bad deal!

I have it on good authority that the new M-E 240 is a limited run (750 units) intended to compete directly with the Zenit (on the same platform).

taffy 06-25-2019 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by benlees (Post 2895976)
The local camera shop here has it listed at $4695 CDN. The 262 is "on sale" for $6195 CDN. The M-E is almost a bargain...

I was hoping to see the M262 prices go down because of this announcement. Any reason why it shouldn't except for the M-E being a tactical move by Leica to divert users from Zenit?

CameraQuest 06-26-2019 08:45

I think the M-E is a great addition to the Leica lineup. A lower cost Leica M entry point has long been needed. I hope the M-E (or another lower cost M) becomes standard production.

oldwino 06-26-2019 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by taffy (Post 2896344)
I was hoping to see the M262 prices go down because of this announcement. Any reason why it shouldn't except for the M-E being a tactical move by Leica to divert users from Zenit?

I think part of the "tactic" was to slow down the used M240 market. Lots of folks (me included) will just wait and buy a used Leica. Leica gets nothing from that. I am sure they see that every used M240 sold is one less M10 that they could have sold. Now, a brand-new, never used M-E is "just" a little more than a used M240, and has a warranty, etc.

benlees 06-26-2019 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by taffy (Post 2896344)
I was hoping to see the M262 prices go down because of this announcement. Any reason why it shouldn't except for the M-E being a tactical move by Leica to divert users from Zenit?




Well, the M262 is a stripped down M240 so even "on sale" the price is ridiculous compared to the new M-E. But... the new M-E is supposed to be a limited run? If not, the M262 doesn't make sense.

Huss 06-26-2019 09:33

Where do people come up w limited run for this kamera? No mention of that on Leica’s website. And if it was they fer sure would talk that up and have the edition # engraved somewhere on top of the kamera like they do...

CameraQuest 06-26-2019 09:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huss (Post 2896442)
Where do people come up w limited run for this kamera?

hmm. reading this thread is one place

raydm6 06-26-2019 09:58

Without derailing the thread, can someone explain the meaning of the "Typ XXX" numbers? I couldn't find an explanation online.

I've seen it applied across various Model designations on their M Homepage: e.g., Leica M-E (Typ 240) and Leica M (Typ 240), Leica M (Typ 262) etc...

BillBlackwell 06-26-2019 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huss (Post 2896442)
... And if it was they fer sure would talk that up and have the edition # engraved somewhere on top of the kamera like they do...

Leica rarely does that any longer. The current green M10-P safari, for example, is limited to 1500 units, but there's no indication of that on the camera.

Mcary 06-26-2019 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by raydm6 (Post 2896445)
Without derailing the thread, can someone explain the meaning of the "Typ XXX" numbers? I couldn't find an explanation online.

I've seen it applied across various Model designations on their M Homepage: e.g., Leica M-E (Typ 240) and Leica M (Typ 240), Leica M (Typ 262) etc...


When Leica introduced the M240 in 2012 they basically stated that all "M" going forward would simply be called "M" and the 240 was just kind of model/stock number, but soon afterwards like right away everyone else started referring to it as the 240 so they pretty much just gave up on the "M" naming idea and called the following models in the series by similar names M246, M262 and finally the M-E Type 240. And of course with the M10 they made the decision to go back the old naming system.
As far as why they choose 240, 246 and 262 maybe someone else can enlighten us on that.

JeffS7444 06-26-2019 11:42

Did the Zenit ever materialize? I was under the impression it never shipped.

BillBlackwell 06-26-2019 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huss (Post 2896442)
Where do people come up w limited run for this kamera? ...

I've heard it elsewhere, but here's the first published indication I've seen of M-E 240 limited production.
https://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/m-bo...mera-body.html

BillBlackwell 06-26-2019 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffS7444 (Post 2896457)
Did the Zenit ever materialize? I was under the impression it never shipped.

Again, on good authority, they were also in limited production (500 units) and in limited markets.
https://www.zenit.photo/en/catalog/photocameras/

Ko.Fe. 06-26-2019 12:00

New M240 as result of M-E MKII are offered under 5K USD now.
And h00(@S4#^ !!! - M-E MKII is available for pre-order at 3.995 USD.
No idea from where this 600 units only speculation comes from. Leica will sell 6000 at easy with this price.

Very good. Used M240 will deep down in price. I think it will become best M for travel.
Will cost not too much to feel uncomfortable to use it on the street without insurance, weather sealed, usable ISO6400 and biggest battery capacity among all Leica's mades.

I'm waiting for 2K$ used M240 offers. :)

Mark Wood 06-26-2019 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. (Post 2896460)
New M240 as result of M-E MKII are offered under 5K USD now.
And h00(@S4#^ !!! - M-E MKII is available for pre-order at 3.995 USD.
No idea from where this 600 units only speculation comes from. Leica will sell 6000 at easy with this price.

Very good. Used M240 will deep down in price. I think it will become best M for travel.
Will cost not too much to feel uncomfortable to use it on the street without insurance, weather sealed, usable ISO6400 and biggest battery capacity among all Leica's mades.

I'm waiting for 2K$ used M240 offers. :)

I'm sure they may well be able to sell many more than 6,000 but they are making 750, as mentioned above with this link, several times:

https://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/m-bo...mera-body.html

Ko.Fe. 06-26-2019 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Wood (Post 2896485)
I'm sure they may well be able to sell many more than 6,000 but they are making 750:

https://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/m-bo...mera-body.html

Sorry, it is not Leica site. And number has grown from 600 to 750. :D

bucs 06-26-2019 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. (Post 2896460)
New M240 as result of M-E MKII are offered under 5K USD now.
And h00(@S4#^ !!! - M-E MKII is available for pre-order at 3.995 USD.
No idea from where this 600 units only speculation comes from. Leica will sell 6000 at easy with this price.

Very good. Used M240 will deep down in price. I think it will become best M for travel.
Will cost not too much to feel uncomfortable to use it on the street without insurance, weather sealed, usable ISO6400 and biggest battery capacity among all Leica's mades.

I'm waiting for 2K$ used M240 offers. :)

Also look forward to drop in M240 or M262 prices. :D

Emile de Leon 06-26-2019 17:21

M-E will crash the used 240 market..whilst setting up for the new M250 or whatever Leica decides to call it..
Cant see M240 owners being too happy with this...as in..buy high..sell low..kind of thing..
I'm seriously thinking about getting this M-E though..
But think..in a couple of years time..this will be a pretty ancient camera design..

shawn 06-26-2019 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. (Post 2896460)
New M240 as result of M-E MKII are offered under 5K USD now.
And h00(@S4#^ !!! - M-E MKII is available for pre-order at 3.995 USD.
No idea from where this 600 units only speculation comes from. Leica will sell 6000 at easy with this price.

Very good. Used M240 will deep down in price. I think it will become best M for travel.
Will cost not too much to feel uncomfortable to use it on the street without insurance, weather sealed, usable ISO6400 and biggest battery capacity among all Leica's mades.

I'm waiting for 2K$ used M240 offers. :)

Popflash just had one for I think $2100. They are getting pretty common to find for around $2300 to $2500.

Shawn

Ko.Fe. 06-26-2019 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emile de Leon (Post 2896510)
M-E will crash the used 240 market..whilst setting up for the new M250 or whatever Leica decides to call it..
Cant see M240 owners being too happy with this...as in..buy high..sell low..kind of thing..
I'm seriously thinking about getting this M-E though..
But think..in a couple of years time..this will be a pretty ancient camera design..

How are you still able to use film M? It is next to seventy years old design.

Emile de Leon 06-26-2019 17:56

Quote:

How are you still able to use film M? It is next to seventy years old design.
Cant ..its too damn old..lol..
Cant put Tech Pan in it anymore..my film M's that is..
Toooo...ooolllldddd....the internals that is...
Old camera chips etc..1040p video..still usable..but barely..

SaveKodak 06-26-2019 18:35

It's quite a handsome model. I hope Leica continues this trend of offering entry level cameras at prices more people can afford. A $4k M is just about right IMO.

Now they just need to make it with 43mm frame lines!

JeffS7444 06-26-2019 19:02

To keep things in perspective, current discounts on the Fujifilm GFX50R make medium format slightly cheaper than Leica M.


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