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Archlich 09-28-2018 04:42

CV 35/2 and 21/3.5 M-mount Concept Lenses at Photokina
 
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New Voigtlander Vintage Leica M Lenses $799 USA

21mm f/3.5 Color Skoptar

35mm f/2 Ultron

Thanks for looking,
Stephen

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So far, the best lens news from Photokina among the sea of announcements:

(Per DPReview)








The 35/2 is all new. We simply lack a sub-200 grams, small and modern one. The 21/3.5 looks like the M-mount version of the new E-Mount 21/3.5 (optimized for digital?). Both come in the style of the much loved Color-Skopar 28/3.5.

Still in the "concept" stage but man. I want them so bad.

jbielikowski 09-28-2018 04:44

b e a u t i f u l

Peter Jennings 09-28-2018 04:54

The Ultron would be very tempting!

davidnewtonguitars 09-28-2018 05:10

The 35/2 hits me right where I live! Pretty and little.

stompyq 09-28-2018 05:21

This is indeed good news. That 35mm looks fantastic

lynnb 09-28-2018 05:40

They look great! Severe GAS...

Archiver 09-28-2018 05:55

OMG. Voigtlander, make this happen! I will buy them!

FrozenInTime 09-28-2018 08:16

I like the small size, but not the retro chrome/black mix : all black please.

Lavertezzo 09-28-2018 08:48

I would buy both of them!

rfaspen 09-28-2018 09:47

Who do we "bug" to make these a reality? Both have qualities I value very much. The 21/3.5 is attractive right now (see my other thread about decentered elmarit 21/2.8). The small size is more like the SEM 21/3.4, and that little lens is my dream 21. Maybe this one could replace that dream???

Erik van Straten 09-28-2018 14:42

I agree with FrozenInTime here. All black (paint on brass) would be the nicest. A 35mm f/2 Ultron in black paint just like the Color Skopar 50mm f/2.5 would be PERFECT.

Erik.


Ko.Fe. 09-28-2018 16:03

28 Ultron f2 ain't small and have some reputation for focus shifts.
I hope this 35/2 will be better and with normal filter size. :)
Metal shtuck focus tab is less ergonomical as modern ones, but not going to get loose after plenty of use.

aizan 09-28-2018 17:13

three versions: black paint, black anodized, and satin silver chrome!

bayernfan 09-28-2018 17:26

id likely buy both, def buy one. who do we tell?

xayraa33 09-28-2018 17:53

They look like something that Komura would have made in the late 1950s under the Acall name brand.

The 21mm lens is very fetching.

It would be nice if it goes into production and sold complete with a viewfinder.

Erik van Straten 09-28-2018 18:29

When it is a success there will be a whole range: 50mm, 35mm, 28mm and 21mm.


Erik.

analoged 09-28-2018 18:34

Would love that 21 for my R-D1...

Archlich 09-28-2018 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erik van Straten (Post 2837602)
When it is a success there will be a whole range: 50mm, 35mm, 28mm and 21mm.

Erik.

An updated 28/3.5 (or hopefully 28/2.8) would be awesome.

jmilkins 09-28-2018 22:35

This is indeed good news. Great that CV is still in the game and bringing what would undoubtedly be popular lenses. Great work Mr K. And team.

Will miss the Tom A sneak previews.

michaelwj 09-29-2018 00:24

That 2/35 could be the lens that jumps me back into M mount. Looks great (although I’d prefer a proper focus tab).
I hope it makes it to production.

bucs 09-29-2018 05:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelwj (Post 2837640)
That 2/35 could be the lens that jumps me back into M mount. Looks great (although I’d prefer a proper focus tab).
I hope it makes it to production.

Me too! I'll buy an M as soon as it is released.

hope it's sub $1,000 . At least current offerings from CV should price it below Nokton

shawn 09-29-2018 06:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. (Post 2837576)
28 Ultron f2 ain't small and have some reputation for focus shifts.
I hope this 35/2 will be better and with normal filter size. :)
Metal shtuck focus tab is less ergonomical as modern ones, but not going to get loose after plenty of use.

I only recently bought the 28 Ultron f2 and while it isn't as small as the tiny f4 25mm or f4 21mm it isn't a big lens. See attachments with and without the lens hood attached.

Shawn

Egguie 09-29-2018 06:48

I don't really get the 35.
They already have 3 amazing 35mm in production, the Ultron 1.7, the Color-Skopar 2.5 and the Nokton 1.2, so one more lens in that same focal length seems kinda useless to me.
Really really excited about the 21mm though. I guess it's gonna replace the actual f/4, hopefully with better performance on digital sensors

Archlich 09-30-2018 03:44

Additonal info from DCWatch:

ULTRON Vintage Line 35mm F2 Aspherical VM

- Unlike the 35/1.7, top priority is being compact while retaining high optical quality;
- 8 Elements in unknown groups with aspherical element.
- 0.58m close focus, coupled to 0.7m.
- 10 aperture blades.
- Lens barrel length is 28mm.
- The new OLLUX/ LH-2 style hood is optional, but the 35/2.5's LH-4N hood is also compatible. Which indicates the filter size being 39mm.

COLOR-SKOPAR Vintage Line 21mm F3.5 Aspherical VM

- M mount version of the recent E-mount lens.
- Digital optimized - color shift improved over the 21/4 for better performance on the M.
- 0.5m close focus, coulped to 0.7m.
- 10 aperture blades.
- 39mm filter size.
- Lens barrel length is 30mm.

Pictures on M10:












Argentia1 09-30-2018 04:00

Thanks for the info.
I was at Photokina, went to the Voigtländer booth: But at the time I was there it was totally crowded, so I decided to come back later.
But then I have lost so much time on other booths, that in the end I haven' had enough time to come back to the Voigtländer booth.
This Photokina was very crowded, because they have shrunk it with much less exhibition halls.
Amazing and surprising at the same time was the "film revival". All companies of classic film photography there reported a significant increase in film demand.

helenhill 09-30-2018 04:04

Yes to 35 f2 ... Sweeeet !

How long do we have to wait ?

jsrockit 09-30-2018 04:11

Wow, those are beautiful.

Jerevan 09-30-2018 04:31

Just to be a contrarian ... I find them to be retro-fugly, and the little knob is not my style - I just prefer the bigger tab on the Skopar, for example. The 35/2 is about fifteen years too late in the RF game - could have really changed things up.

Carlos Cruz 09-30-2018 04:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerevan (Post 2837865)
Just to be a contrarian ... I find them to be retro-fugly, and the little knob is not my style - I just prefer the bigger tab on the Skopar, for example. The 35/2 is about fifteen years too late in the RF game - could have really changed things up.

Hear, hear. I support your contrarianism. I want all black lens with a tab.

Erik van Straten 09-30-2018 04:59

I agree with Jerevan that the small knob should be a tab as on de Color Skopar 50mm f/2.5 and that the housing should be all black. And yes, fifteen years ago a distortionless Ultron 35mm f/2 lens would have been more welcome than a distortionfull Nokton 35mm f/1.4. But I don't think that it would have been a commercial success.

Erik.

jmilkins 09-30-2018 06:02

My preference would also be for the tabs (like the excellent CV 50 colour Skopar), but I don’t mind the black and chrome mix.

Ko.Fe. 09-30-2018 07:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawn (Post 2837689)
I only recently bought the 28 Ultron f2 and while it isn't as small as the tiny f4 25mm or f4 21mm it isn't a big lens. See attachments with and without the lens hood attached.

Shawn

Here:
https://cameraquest.com/jpg7/voigt_28_3x1.jpg
It is from our bartender page here:
https://www.cameraquest.com/voigtlen.htm

I opted for 28 1.9 and according to the image in the first link it isn't much bigger than 28 2. Yet, it is huge lens. To me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egguie (Post 2837691)
I don't really get the 35.
They already have 3 amazing 35mm in production, the Ultron 1.7, the Color-Skopar 2.5 and the Nokton 1.2, so one more lens in that same focal length seems kinda useless to me.
Really really excited about the 21mm though. I guess it's gonna replace the actual f/4, hopefully with better performance on digital sensors

Actually, four.
I don't need tabless 1.7. Same for 1.2. I had tabless 1.7 and it was taking too much time to focus. And my fingers are greasy. So, 1.7 and 1.2 are kinda useless to me.
I had 2.5 in all three versions. The only time I liked it was on M8, but I also liked J-12 on this camera.
I don't like 1.4 extra character, either and focus shift gamble.
So, they have listened to me and 2 is welcome! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerevan (Post 2837865)
Just to be a contrarian ... I find them to be retro-fugly, and the little knob is not my style - I just prefer the bigger tab on the Skopar, for example. The 35/2 is about fifteen years too late in the RF game - could have really changed things up.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The body style is Canon LTM, earlier CV. Nothing fugly.
Again, I have to deal with loosen Scopar tab and it is not something easy to deal with. Lots of disassembling and even then screws are exposed it is still not an easy task. So, the simple shtuck is welcome. After lens is in use for year or so, it is possible to change it to more convenient tab.

Fifteen years ago it was no RF cameras with high ISO sensors. So, now compact 35/2 makes sense even more. And it is still sweet spot on film M.
Not 2.5/2.8 slow, but still safe to have it accidentally open and exposed to the sun on film M.
Here is cheap, new 35/2 on the market this year and many jumped on it. I decided not to due to bad barrel distortion, but I still want to add second 35 lens. This 35/2 seems to be perfect lens for my second 35.

Erik van Straten 09-30-2018 10:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ko.Fe. (Post 2837892)
Again, I have to deal with loosen Scopar tab and it is not something easy to deal with. Lots of disassembling and even then screws are exposed it is still not an easy task.


Tighten them with Loctite 222.


Erik.

jsrockit 09-30-2018 11:08

I can`t believe people on RFF are crapping on these lenses... just be thankful you get anything new these days from anyone other than Leica.

k__43 09-30-2018 11:22

I had the ultron 35/1.7 II and hated the handling.. this one looks much nicer.
the question I'd have regarding focus coupling: does the 0.7/0.58m figures come from the cam actually "ending" at 0.7m? I hated that feature on the f/1.7 lens which went even further.
It always gave me a feeling of uncertainty when focusing close.
why don't they add a removable screw for all those digital shooters?

ACullen 09-30-2018 11:28

I’m pretty excited by the prospect of the 35/2 in particular. I’d love a smallish 35 for my M2 or CL. I’ve not got a 21 as yet ( being satisfied with 15 and 25mm lenses) who knows I might be tempted if the performance is excellent .

MaxElmar 09-30-2018 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerevan (Post 2837865)
.... The 35/2 is about fifteen years too late in the RF game - could have really changed things up.


I would think “right on time” as now both Nikon and Canon will be making full-frame digital cameras on which these lenses can be used. Not a coincidence. Perhaps Cosina will be making native R and Z mount versions as well, but lets face it - with a basic adapter, M-mount lenses will fit Sony, Canon, and Nikon full frame mirrorless cameras. It’s the “T2” mount of the future...

johannielscom 09-30-2018 11:32

Like the designs (Early Nippon Kogaku Nikkor design!) and the focal lengths, I'd spring for the 21mm in that size instantly if it only were available in LTM... :(

Archlich 09-30-2018 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by k__43 (Post 2837941)
I had the ultron 35/1.7 II and hated the handling.. this one looks much nicer.
the question I'd have regarding focus coupling: does the 0.7/0.58m figures come from the cam actually "ending" at 0.7m? I hated that feature on the f/1.7 lens which went even further.
It always gave me a feeling of uncertainty when focusing close.
why don't they add a removable screw for all those digital shooters?

Should be ending at 0.58m for hyperfocal/live view use. I hate it too, since it messes up the focus throw and hampers my ability to focus by feel.

Hope...just hope the production version offers a no frills 0.7m minimum distance, or at least a "dent" at the end of the coupled range like the Nikkor-H 50/2. The live view crowd can have their E-mount lenses.

Jerevan 09-30-2018 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsrockit (Post 2837934)
I can`t believe people on RFF are crapping on these lenses... just be thankful you get anything new these days from anyone other than Leica.

It's just opinions, man. :) What I love is another persons' pet peeve and vice versa.


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