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FrozenInTime 08-21-2014 06:15

Leica M-P : The preview lever returns to the M.240
 
M-P ( M.240 with no red dot, preview lever , 2 GB , sapphire screen ) launched

http://uk.leica-camera.com/Photograp...ica-M-P/Detail


jsrockit 08-21-2014 06:20

How much more cash?

furcafe 08-21-2014 06:25

Good that they brought it back, though I shudder to think how much they'll charge.

For US-ians:

http://us.leica-camera.com/Photograp...ica-M-P/Detail

Mackinaw 08-21-2014 06:27

I like the traditional Leica script on the top plate.

Jim B.

Spicy 08-21-2014 06:30

i think the only thing more pathetic than the giant LEEEEIIICCCCAAAA screaming pimple adorning the M240 is its omission on the M240P.

FOR THE PRINCELY SUM OF AN ADDITIONAL $2K AND YOUR SECONDBORN IN ADDITION TO YOUR FIRST, HERE'S A GIANT #$%@ING SCREW. OH AND IT'S CRAFTED BY "ARTISANS..." ENJOY

--LEICA DIGITAL



edit: also, using only a hyphen to differentiate your products is a bit of a marketing whoopsie... unless they're strategically doing it to try and make it REALLY hard for people to find information about the film cameras they offer.

furcafe 08-21-2014 06:33

Haterz gonna hate. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spicy (Post 2381363)
i think the only thing more pathetic than the giant LEEEEIIICCCCAAAA screaming pimple adorning the M240 is its omission on the M240P.

FOR THE PRINCELY SUM OF AN ADDITION $2K AND YOUR SECONDBORN IN ADDITION TO YOUR FIRST, HERE'S A GIANT #$%@ING SCREW. OH AND IT'S CRAFTED BY "ARTISANS..." ENJOY

--LEICA DIGITAL


wintoid 08-21-2014 06:33

So they called it the M-P as opposed to the MP. Sheesh, it's like the Canon 500D all over again...

x-ray 08-21-2014 06:49

After my M9 / NJ lack of service experience, no more leica digital, ever.

I'm delighted with Nikon and NPS if ever needed.

judsonzhao 08-21-2014 07:36

500 Euro more, dunno what will happen in US

dcsang 08-21-2014 07:40

Like I said in the other thread.... left kidney = paying for a camera.

Dave

Corran 08-21-2014 07:42

What the heck is with that screw on the front?!

bennyng 08-21-2014 07:52

So.... everytime Leica launches a new digital M, they will upgrade it with a P model thereafter. Wait for it (whilst they fix the bugs). That's the trick right?

furcafe 08-21-2014 08:06

It covers the hole through which you adjust the RF patch alignment. It's underneath the big red dot on the non-P bodies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corran (Post 2381386)
What the heck is with that screw on the front?!


dcsang 08-21-2014 08:08

Apparently the price of the M.240 is going up too :(

As to Leica releasing a P model to fix bugs... well.. I don't know what bugs there are in the M.240 because, at least so far *touches wood* I haven't seen any.

Cheers,
Dave

erikhaugsby 08-21-2014 08:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by furcafe (Post 2381395)
It covers the hole through which you adjust the RF patch alignment. It's underneath the big red dot on the non-P bodies.

I don't think the question is "What's it for?" but rather "Why's it so big?" because I know that it's not so big on the M3/2/4.

Kwesi 08-21-2014 08:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 2381409)
They're probably using existing Leica M bodies, which likely have a large hole for the appropriately larger roundel.

I think a large hex bolt would look bad ass. :D

It would!
Especially if you could use it to directly adjust the vertical alignment without first removing it.

f16sunshine 08-21-2014 08:43

If Leica wanted to sell these cameras they would lower the standard M240 price and price the M-P version at the price of the original.
It seems with their trade in incentive spoken of in another thread they are not selling up to expectation.
Why now will an uglier upgrade improve that?
That's a big ol zit right on the forehead of that camera (the RF cover screw).
Is this someones PS mock up or an official image of the new body offered?

Edit
It's the real image not a mock up. I think I would take the red dot over the zit! :p
In seriousness though. 2gigs of Ram should actually be a real improvement. COnsidering how little that actually costs it should be in the camera already.
Wonder if they will upgrade the original M240's for a fee?

Duane Pandorf 08-21-2014 08:52

Just use the same tape all of you already use to cover your Leica dots on the screw that's replaced the dot.

Corran 08-21-2014 09:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by furcafe (Post 2381395)
It covers the hole through which you adjust the RF patch alignment. It's underneath the big red dot on the non-P bodies.

Funny thing is I have never noticed the screw on the front of M3 and other non-red dot bodies. But the giant one on this is just disconcerting.

I have an M9 and M6 and have no problem with the red dot, and nor do I have tape over it. Frankly I don't know what the obsession is with removing or hiding the Leica logo. Big deal.

Corran 08-21-2014 09:41

By the way, no one has mentioned the new thumb wheel. An interesting addition.

rscheffler 08-21-2014 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by f16sunshine (Post 2381414)
2gigs of Ram should actually be a real improvement. COnsidering how little that actually costs it should be in the camera already.

This is the only thing that seriously interests me about the M-P and is exactly what I thought - it should have been in the M to begin with.

Vics 08-21-2014 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsrockit (Post 2381353)
How much more cash?

How much have you got?

dcsang 08-21-2014 10:14

$7950 USD based on the "La Vida Leica" story..

Don't forget the current M(240) is going up in price too.. by $300.. that would be a 4.3% increase - which is well more than current Canadian inflation.. but who knows what inflation is like over where Leica lives :D :D :D

Dave

jsrockit 08-21-2014 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vics (Post 2381439)
How much have you got?

Exactly... how much can we get away with seems to be Leica's thinking. I can't blame them...

dcsang 08-21-2014 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsrockit (Post 2381445)
Exactly... how much can we get away with seems to be Leica's thinking. I can't blame them...

Until someone else makes an m-mount digital rangefinder camera - they're the only game in town.

Cheers,
Dave

aeturnum 08-21-2014 10:28

I'm quite surprised that Leica didn't come up with anything better than that big screw. It's ultimately a small detail, but from a company that sells a premium product and claims to care about the details. They couldn't use a black dot, or a small piece of metal, or simply a smaller screw?

f16sunshine 08-21-2014 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeturnum (Post 2381451)
I'm quite surprised that Leica didn't come up with anything better than that big screw. It's ultimately a small detail, but from a company that sells a premium product and claims to care about the details. They couldn't use a black dot, or a small piece of metal, or simply a smaller screw?

How about just a hole with a self closing teflon plug on the back side.
You can find such hidden closures used for charging ports on many waterproof devices it's elegant, invisible, and inexpensive.
One would see a small indentation of black. If you push a tool into it it would slide in and then self close upon removal.
Where do these designers research ?

I imagine it is some sort of steampunk lab that Leica designers inhabit.
Trying to splice old televisions onto Bellows cameras to create prototypes :p

Samouraļ 08-21-2014 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeturnum (Post 2381451)
I'm quite surprised that Leica didn't come up with anything better than that big screw. It's ultimately a small detail, but from a company that sells a premium product and claims to care about the details. They couldn't use a black dot, or a small piece of metal, or simply a smaller screw?

Is there a post or screw of somesort underneath the vanilla-240's red dot logo? If the screw serves some sort of structural function, I don't mind; looks kind of cool.

DavidKKHansen 08-21-2014 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corran (Post 2381426)
By the way, no one has mentioned the new thumb wheel. An interesting addition.

What, that's it's black now?

Duane Pandorf 08-21-2014 11:10

I'm actually interested in this update and what interests me is the added buffer with 3 frames per second. I've been shooting some nightclub musician performances in my little town and have hit my M-E's buffer limit a couple times. The wait can seem like forever.

The new M's video and Liveview would seldom ever get used. Plus I've heard the arguments of CCD versus CMOS but I have an X-Rite color checker and would create my own profiles just as I've done with my M-E.

Corran 08-21-2014 11:11

Oops, didn't realize that the M240 had that. Never really looked.

judsonzhao 08-21-2014 11:29

See Monochrome and M9P, the screw is quite less noticeable
Big turn off for me, as I don't really want to step in and get one, haha
Why not just get a $5000-ish demo M240 on Ebay from authorized dealer and use the extra to get a 35/2A?

Hsg 08-21-2014 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by rscheffler (Post 2381429)
This is the only thing that seriously interests me about the M-P and is exactly what I thought - it should have been in the M to begin with.

So if that internal RAM goes bad, which is a common thing, you'd have to send the camera back for repair... While every other sane camera maker leaves the RAM to the buyer...

Corran 08-21-2014 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hsg (Post 2381481)
While every other sane camera maker leaves the RAM to the buyer...

Huh? Are you talking about memory cards??

Duane Pandorf 08-21-2014 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hsg (Post 2381481)
So if that internal RAM goes bad, which is a common thing, you'd have to send the camera back for repair... While every other sane camera maker leaves the RAM to the buyer.......

Please explain what camera manufacturer lets the buyer choose their RAM? And also tell me about cameras that have internal memory problems? Huh?

f16sunshine 08-21-2014 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hsg (Post 2381481)
So if that internal RAM goes bad, which is a common thing, you'd have to send the camera back for repair... While every other sane camera maker leaves the RAM to the buyer...

Well not really no. The RAM is not user servicable in any camera I'm aware of. The Storage (SD or Flash card) is user changeable. The buffer is internal and integrated with the CPU.
The point is that 2G of buffer is modest by 2013-2014 standards in most ways of looking at it.
Leica should provide this as a baseline not part of an uprgraded offering to an already expensive camera.

Cheers!


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