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Dingo 06-16-2009 03:33

Amazing Bokeh and Resolution from a Helios 103!
 
I hope this is the right place to post this. After finishing my DIY Kiev to M mount adaptor, it really opens a whole new world of Kiev Lenses with my M8! I tried a few lenses, most of them are 50s, I would say the Helios 103 pleases me most in terms of Bokeh and resolution.

These are part of my test shots : (All shots converted with LR, slight exposure and contrast adjustments, color saturation reduced a little.)







Cropped shots to show resolution and bokeh :





I can't imagine such a great performance from a very cheap lens, I suggest you get this lens ASAP!!!

ray*j*gun 06-16-2009 03:37

This may be the best lens bargin ever....I have one for Contax mount and one for Nikon S mount.

blazejs 06-16-2009 04:11

This is really tempting :-)

Matus 06-16-2009 04:12

this looks unbelievable - one of the most smoothest bookeh I have seen so far. Would you mind let us know at which aperture you did these photos?

would you have any film examples for us?

Dave Wilkinson 06-16-2009 04:57

I have seen these sell for around UK 8 - on Ebay!...great bargain!
Dave.
PS....more threads like this....and the price will rise! :D

35mmdelux 06-16-2009 05:48

You'd have to drop major bucks w/ other lenses to compete. Excellent.

januaryman 06-16-2009 06:56

I bought a Kiiev just to use this lens. Outstanding.








Damaso 06-16-2009 12:24

Lovely results!

Roberto 06-16-2009 12:30

Please post more info about the adapter. please! :-D

meven 06-16-2009 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roberto (Post 1076167)
Please post more info about the adapter. please! :-D

The adapter is home made by Dingo himself, you can see a thread about it HERE and the first test of his M6 HERE.

I saw his adapter personnaly, it is very impressive!!!!

vrgard 06-16-2009 14:58

I really like the Helios 103 on my Kiev cameras. Hey, Dingo, how much would you charge me to make an M-mount adaptor? Please, oh please?

-Randy

FrankS 06-16-2009 15:05

The Helios is a good excuse to use the Contax or Kiev camera.

johannielscom 06-16-2009 15:21

Dingo, with your adapter, does the lens focus correctly at infinity as well?

Would you be willing to share your production process with us, or are you planning to sell these?

Dingo 06-16-2009 20:18

Quite a lot of questions to answer :

1. All shots were taken in f1.8, that's why I was so amazed by the resolution.

2. The adaptor gives accurate RF function (the adaptor takes a lot of adjustment to finish with the help of M8).

3. So far I don't have plan to mass prodcue it, but will consider since my summer holiday will be coming soon, he he!

I think this adaptor is a must buy item to M8 users, you can try get one in other sources (Ebxy, etc). I will try some portrait work later this week to see how good it works.

raid 06-16-2009 20:30

I have such a lens in Contax mount.
Great bokeh shots shown here. Thanks.

hans voralberg 06-16-2009 20:33

Dingo if you decide to make one I'll be on the waiting list as well ;)

vrgard 06-16-2009 20:36

Dingo, I'm glad to hear that you're considering making some of these for those of us who are interested. I was serious about wanting one so please do let me know if you decide to make more.

Thanks,
Randy

squirrel$$$bandit 06-16-2009 20:53

Yet another reason to buy the new amadeo contax adapter...now listed on eBay with his custom helical...

gudlagoba 06-16-2009 21:08

It is a fantastic lens. I use it on my Kievs and the Bessa R2C. Until I got my Leicas, this was my everyday lens.

jonmanjiro 06-16-2009 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by mabelsound (Post 1076401)
Yet another reason to buy the new amadeo contax adapter...now listed on eBay with his custom helical...

Amedeo has taken his adapters to a whole new level recently! The new locking system for internal mounts is brilliant. Wonder if he can add a lever or something that would also allow you to select different framelines ...

amateriat 06-16-2009 22:29

I hear thundering hooves in the distance, converging upon a certain auction site...

(Oh, dear, I'm about to hit Post #3000...)


- Barrett

ishpop 06-16-2009 23:44

Hi Dingo, so cool you did this DIY adapter!

I realize I am in the minority, but I find the bokeh distracting and unlasing, go figure!!! :)

Regardless, I love these types of experiments. Thanks!

johannielscom 06-17-2009 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmanjiro (Post 1076414)
Amedeo has taken his adapters to a whole new level recently! The new locking system for internal mounts is brilliant. Wonder if he can add a lever or something that would also allow you to select different framelines ...

His adapters surely look brilliant, he creates them himself from scratch, no existing mount refurbishing there, and it shows. All self-machined solid brass, chrome coated. Pure adapter porn.:p

But, aren't they threading onto an LTM-to-M adapter so you can choose framelines by choosing an adapter?

jonmanjiro 06-17-2009 00:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLE-RF (Post 1076463)
But, aren't they threading onto an LTM-to-M adapter so you can choose framelines by choosing an adapter?

I think the new adapters are M-mount only. Not sure if he has an LTM version yet. See here (link).

jonmanjiro 06-17-2009 00:44

Not to take anything away from Dingo of course. It's very impressive that he made his own adapter!!!

Dingo 06-17-2009 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmanjiro (Post 1076471)
Not to take anything away from Dingo of course. It's very impressive that he made his own adapter!!!

Thanks! BTW this adaptor is the most successful DIY project finished so far.

OK, one more shot posting to show the bokeh from the lens :



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Brian Sweeney 06-17-2009 02:34

I shimmed my Menopta 53/1.8 for the Nikon S-Mount, moved the optics module out 0.5mm in the mount. The Menopta is the export version of the Helios-103.


Wide-open on the Nikon S3:





Also- I used a Sharpie permanent marker to blacken the aperture blades. Really cut down on flare when using the lens stopped down.

Dingo 06-17-2009 17:41

Brian,

Nice works and lovely bokeh! I think you would agree this lens knocks out a whole lot of fifties regardless of prices, and should price be a factor Helios 103 is the no.1.
BTW, among all 50/f2 Kiev lenses, my J-8 from 1955 is my 2nd best choice, what do you think?

Dingo

35mmdelux 06-17-2009 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingo (Post 1076387)
Quite a lot of questions to answer :

1. All shots were taken in f1.8, that's why I was so amazed by the resolution.

AFAIK the tonality & sharpness rivals the most expensive 50s. This is the mouse that could, David over ... [who was David over? forgot]. Most definitely a jewel.

Brian Sweeney 06-18-2009 02:46

Dingo- 1955 J-8 is a really great lens.

But I went with a 1955 J-3 for my Contax II...

Wide-open at f1.5, focus on the stalk running across the front.


lorriman 06-18-2009 04:22

I also am not seeing such good bokeh.

The first photo, for example, has that vibrational bokeh that is so very undesirable.

The examples aren't a very good demo of bokeh in anycase. At least it's not as bad as flower-bokeh which makes even the worst lens look good.

35mmdelux 06-18-2009 05:17

Yes, in some instances there is "vibrational" bokeh, but otherwise fairly smooth & consistent. Not bad compared to some other lenses out there, which have consistently horrible bokeh. Of course, if you drop $2000 for a Summicron or $4000 for a Summilux then it gets better. But that's not what we're talking about here.

hans voralberg 06-18-2009 06:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Sweeney (Post 1077119)
Dingo- 1955 J-8 is a really great lens.

But I went with a 1955 J-3 for my Contax II...

Wide-open at f1.5, focus on the stalk running across the front.

Brian there is a lot of stalk there, the diagonal one I guess, lovely pic all the same!!

LeicaFoReVer 06-18-2009 06:20

wow wonderful colors and sharpness with great bokeh, I could not believe in my eyes. People buy macro lenses worth 1000 bucks to get this resolution...

Which year of production your lens Dingo??

Dingo 06-18-2009 08:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeicaFoReVer (Post 1077184)
wow wonderful colors and sharpness with great bokeh, I could not believe in my eyes. People buy macro lenses worth 1000 bucks to get this resolution...

Which year of production your lens Dingo??

It is a 82 Helios 103, unbelievable quality for such a low price. Brian, btw, you are so lucky to get a 55 J-3!!!

It seems Bokeh is always a hot topic to discuss here. To me there is no good or bad bokeh at all, it is so subjective, some people say Cron 7 element is King of Bokeh, what do you think? As I said on the first post, the Bokeh of this lens amazed me, that's it and I wanted to share with you guys.

I'll try more Russian stuff on M8 and let you know if I find anything interesting.

NickTrop 06-18-2009 09:32

Geez - now you got me looking at Kievs on eBay, after I swore off buying more cameras. Curses! Great pics.

Brian Sweeney 06-18-2009 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by hans voralberg (Post 1077179)
Brian there is a lot of stalk there, the diagonal one I guess, lovely pic all the same!!

That diagonal one- I had just shimmed this lens for the Contax II and wanted to check it out.

I've had the best luck with the 1950s J-3's. This 1955 J-3 had some internal fungus that cleaned up quite well. The hard coating came out undamaged after cleaning with ammonia. It was the left-over part from a CZJ LTM conversion that I did for a forum member. This J-3 optics module now sits in a German Sonnar lens mount.

The Helios-103 Bokeh reminds me of the Summitar. Some astigmatism produces football "swirlies" when used wide-open and close-up. It settles down quickly at medium focus, and stopped down a bit. It's not boring.

LeicaFoReVer 07-08-2009 18:48

Please post some more photos from this helios lens...

Brian Sweeney 07-09-2009 02:28

More photos with the Helios-103 and Menopta 53/1.8.








januaryman 07-09-2009 07:59

Great shots Brian. Time for me to blow the dust off my Kiev, I'm thinking. It's been a while.


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