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kxl
04-08-2008, 14:28
35/2 Summicron Type 1

35/2 Summicron Type 4 (Pre-Asph)

35/2 ZM Biogon

35/2.5 Summarit-M

BillP
04-08-2008, 14:34
None of the above.

VC 35mm f2.5 PI.

Regards,

Bill

cosmonot
04-08-2008, 15:55
What kind of 35/2 has the M3 goggles? What type is that?

Doug
04-08-2008, 23:45
The 'cron type 1 with goggles was made for the M3. I have the 35 Biogon-ZM and the Summicron Type 1 (no goggles), and these are quite distinctly different... especially at wider aperture. I can't say one is better overall than the other, just better in certain ways. The Biogon is a superb modern lens with no faults. The Summicron is a superb lens with great character intertwined with optical limitations. I've never used the Type 4 or the Summarit-M and I cannot answer the poll.

Roger Hicks
05-14-2008, 11:05
Get real.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

With B+W it's even less important than with colour.

At this level of equipment the photographer's ability is 10,000 times more important than which lens.

Edit (from my wife Frances Schultz): USE THE LENS YOU'VE GOT.

Or (same source):

When I'm not with the lens I love, I love the lens I'm with.

Cheers,

R.

Chris101
05-14-2008, 16:55
Ultron 1.7

NB23
05-14-2008, 23:57
When I'm not with the lens I love, I love the lens I'm with.

R.

I love it!

maddoc
05-15-2008, 01:31
Summilux 35 pre-ASPH

topoxforddoc
05-15-2008, 03:43
Another 35 pre-asph lux

Charlie

Roger Hicks
05-15-2008, 04:21
Another 35 pre-asph lux

Charlie

Dear Charlie,

Me too. And indeed, at one time -- 15-20 years ago -- I had a 35 Summicron as well, because everyone told me how much better it was. Well, yes, for test targets, no contest; but I don't shoot test targets except for reviews; as I couldn't be assed to keep changing 35mm lenses for no real improvement in my pictures; as the Summicron is useless at f/1.4; I flogged the Summicron. Never really missed it.

There are very few lenses I buy nowadays, because only very rarely indeed do they do something I can't do otherwise. Occasionally I find something that knocks me out -- like the 75 Summicron or 50 C-Sonnar -- but often that's highly personal too.

Cheers,

Roger

dcsang
05-15-2008, 06:35
Maybe it's me.. (and it probably is.. heck.. it usually is..) but what exactly is this poll asking?

Is it asking what 35mm lens I like to use with B&W film?
Is it asking, if I had the choice, what lens I would choose?
or is it asking which lenses I own that happen to be 35mm?

Dave

MikeL
05-15-2008, 07:20
Is it asking what 35mm lens I like to use with B&W film?
Is it asking, if I had the choice, what lens I would choose?
or is it asking which lenses I own that happen to be 35mm?

Dave

Yes.

.......

Don Parsons
05-15-2008, 07:30
>>>>USE THE LENS YOU'VE GOT.

Or (same source):

When I'm not with the lens I love, I love the lens I'm with.<<<<

That's great Roger. Frances really hit it on the head.

mfunnell
05-15-2008, 07:46
No option for my UC-Hex 35/2 or my M-Hex 35/2 or even my Summaron 35/3.5. If I had to vote in a poll that included the options, I think my favourite would be the UC-Hex. But it would be a close call, and might change on even-numbered days.

...Mike

Pherdinand
06-29-2008, 03:40
None of them... Hexanon 35/2. The one that is glued on my hexar af.
That's the only one I can afford, and that's what makes me happy.

The yashinon 35/1.8 on the yashica 35 CC is not bad neither...! but that's gone now.

kshapero
06-29-2008, 04:23
This poll makes no sense. BW only then list a 4 lenses for the snob set. When i opened this I thought this was going to be a poll on BW film. Drat. Whatever. After 3 hours of sleep what do you expect.

Robin P
06-29-2008, 08:24
Edit (from my wife Frances Schultz): USE THE LENS YOU'VE GOT.
Or (same source):
When I'm not with the lens I love, I love the lens I'm with.
Cheers,
R.
Ah, women have such a gift of commonsense!
The problem is Roger that so many of us here waste time wondering if things would be better if we had a different lens to the one we've got. I think the real question is what lens from the list do you require before you believe it can't be bettered.

You can never win at this game though - after a long search I've finally bought a (SLR) 35mm lens that never disappoints me with image quality but I still wish for one that was smaller & lighter. Oops ("smaller & lighter"), I've just given you the cue to hint that I should be using an RF.:)

Cheers, Robin

Soeren
08-26-2008, 01:44
Get real.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

With B+W it's even less important than with colour.

At this level of equipment the photographer's ability is 10,000 times more important than which lens.

Edit (from my wife Frances Schultz): USE THE LENS YOU'VE GOT.

Or (same source):

When I'm not with the lens I love, I love the lens I'm with.

Cheers,

R.

That finishing line makes a great signature :) Frances really know how to say things.
Kind regards

icebear
08-26-2008, 06:10
Get real.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

With B+W it's even less important than with colour.
At this level of equipment the photographer's ability is 10,000 times more important than which lens.

Edit (from my wife Frances Schultz): USE THE LENS YOU'VE GOT.
Or (same source):
When I'm not with the lens I love, I love the lens I'm with.

Cheers,
R.

That summs up not only this poll but lot's of gearhead discussions . LOVE IT !
You have to be out there and take that shot, get it focussed properly and get the exposure spot on. If you even frame it to get the full message across, that's what make a great shot. Does not really matter if it was v1 or v6, pre or past asph;).

tomasis
08-26-2008, 14:39
buy 20 lenses and sell 18-19 ones of same focal lenght :D It will take first 10 years and it is worth for curing GAS :P

venchka
12-04-2008, 10:01
None of the above.

What Francis said. Perfect!

If you must know...

35/2.0 UC-Hexanon LTM
35/2.8 Canon LTM
35/3.5 Canon S.C. BL
3 zoom lenses that include 35mm.

I love the one I'm with!

Dave Wilkinson
12-04-2008, 10:04
All I need now is a 'best thing to shoot my dog with?' poll,.....and my day is complete! :bang:

Al Kaplan
12-04-2008, 12:25
I've owned a 35/1.8 Canon, 35/2.8 Schneider Xenogon, 35/1.4 version 1 Summilux with goggles, and both version 1 and version 2 of the Summicron. Now I just have the version 2 Summicron. It's the best of the lot. The Summilux was the worst.

Dave Wilkinson
12-04-2008, 12:31
I've owned a 35/1.8 Canon, 35/2.8 Schneider Xenogon, 35/1.4 version 1 Summilux with goggles, and both version 1 and version 2 of the Summicron. Now I just have the version 2 Summicron. It's the best of the lot. The Summilux was the worst.....For black and white?.....could you really tell the difference??? :rolleyes:

Al Kaplan
12-04-2008, 12:38
The version 1 Summilux is rediculously soft, the version 1 Summicron has the "Leica Glow, version 2 has much more recent coatings than the others and has the most contrast.

Here's a 1972 photo of Nathan Benn holding my daughter Elena:
http://static.photo.net/attachments/bboard/009/0098az-19154084.jpg

Nathan ended up as the director of the Magnum photo agency, Elena is an attorney in Atlanta, and I traded in the soft Summilux on the series 1 Summicron. This was probably shot wide open at f/1.4. My wife back then, Stephanie, became a doctor, took back her maiden name of Brundage, and lives in South Carolina with her husband Ken.

Chriscrawfordphoto
12-06-2008, 19:47
35mm f2 Zuiko on my Olympus OM-4T

http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/waynedale/images/imagefiles/dq.jpg

narsuitus
09-12-2009, 10:41
I read through this thread to try to get a grasp on what this poll was asking. Akiva and Dave expressed my thoughts about this poll.

“This poll makes no sense. BW only then list a 4 lenses for the snob set. When i opened this I thought this was going to be a poll on BW film. Drat. Whatever. After 3 hours of sleep what do you expect.”

Akiva S.


“Maybe it's me.. (and it probably is.. heck.. it usually is..) but what exactly is this poll asking?

Is it asking what 35mm lens I like to use with B&W film?
Is it asking, if I had the choice, what lens I would choose?
or is it asking which lenses I own that happen to be 35mm?”

Dave

Doug
09-12-2009, 13:00
I believe the poll asks which of the listed lenses you prefer for B&W film use. This is inherently difficult to answer unless one has experience with all four. Maybe even then. Other lenses aren't part of the poll. Neither "Other" nor "It doesn't matter" is a poll choice. But I expect the OP is considering this as well as cost, availability, size, build quality, etc.

wgerrard
09-12-2009, 17:13
35mm f2 Zuiko on my Olympus OM-4T

http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/waynedale/images/imagefiles/dq.jpg

Hey, I just spent the afternoon shooting at a street festival (a natural science museum BugFest... you know, with chocolate covered ants and all kinds of creepy crawlers and lots of happy kids with painted faces) with a 35/2 Zuiko on an OM-2N with Tri-X 400. If I'm energetic, I'll process them tomorrow.

januaryman
09-22-2009, 04:51
None of the above. Canon 35/2.0 or even my Serenar 35/2.8

kshapero
09-22-2009, 05:34
Another dumb poll that doesn't include all the fine 35mm lenses out there.

mfunnell
09-22-2009, 05:34
“Maybe it's me.. (and it probably is.. heck.. it usually is..) but what exactly is this poll asking?

Is it asking what 35mm lens I like to use with B&W film?
Is it asking, if I had the choice, what lens I would choose?
or is it asking which lenses I own that happen to be 35mm?”

DaveI haven't voted, but I can see what you mean.

If it's asking what 35mm lens I like to use with B&W film then I'd probably answer the Konica UC Hexanon 35mm/f2. Oh, and the other RF 35s I have for when I want a different rendering.

If it's asking, if I had the choice, what lens [from the list?] would I choose then I might vote for the CZ Biogon as it is the only one on the list I actually contemplated buying (as the only listed lens I'm likely to have afforded).

If it's asking what 35mm lenses I have then it's a long list: but confining myself to RF lenses, it's the abovementioned UC Hex, the 35mm M-Hex and the 35mm/f3.5 Summaron - each of which I really like, for different reasons and different purposes.

...Mike

kermaier
09-22-2009, 06:10
All I need now is a 'best thing to shoot my dog with?' poll,.....and my day is complete! :bang:

The true afficionado would only shoot his dog with a Leitz Wetzlar 16-gauge side-by-side (improved cylinder choke, of course) loaded with #8 birdshot. But for the budget minded, I think CV makes a serviceable 12-gauge pump action.

Ari

kermaier
09-22-2009, 06:19
For those recommending the UC-Hex, you're basically telling the OP that, if he doesn't need to focus closer than 0.9m, he should get the performance of the v4 'cron with the build quality of the v3 'cron?

::Ari

kiemchacsu
08-29-2012, 21:51
Get real.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

With B+W it's even less important than with colour.

At this level of equipment the photographer's ability is 10,000 times more important than which lens.

Edit (from my wife Frances Schultz): USE THE LENS YOU'VE GOT.

Or (same source):

When I'm not with the lens I love, I love the lens I'm with.

Cheers,

R.
Well, I am now having GAS of a 35/2 type 1 (M3 one) while I already have 35/2 type 4. These words from Roger really made me calm down. Thank you.

Ljós
08-30-2012, 02:32
:-) If you can't be with a Summaron f2.8, try to love the lens you're with ;-)
Greetings, Ljós