View Full Version : Who actually uses 1/8000 of sec?

Benjamin Marks
02-23-2008, 08:10
Are there a lot of you who routinely use 1/8000 or 1/4000? When starting out, my Pentax K1000 had a nominal top speed of 1/1000 and that stopped all the action I could ever want. Or I thought it did. Later I upgraded to a Nikon FM2 with a top marked speed of 1/4000 (or was it 1/2000? historians and Nikon users chime in here) (of course actual speeds differ from the speed marked on the dial). I don't ever actually recall using the top speed . . .

So: 1/8000 (1/4000 if applicable). Who among us actually uses their camera's top speed? If so, how often? Routinely?

Inquiring minds want to know.

With curiosity,

Ben Marks

Roger Hicks
02-23-2008, 08:18
Dear Ben,

Very seldom, and mostly with the 135/2.8 when I want zero depth of field in close-ups. Even more rarely with a Noctilux.

Put it this way: I wouldn't really miss it.



Mike Ip
02-23-2008, 08:44
I've never used the 1/8000 on my M8, however I have used the top speed before. When I was in Iraq, I was shooting my 70-200 2.8 on my Canon and even at ISO 100 and a shutter speed of 1/8000, the sun was so bright it was still blowing out highlights. I actually had to stop down in order to preserve the highlights. I think I ended up having to shoot at f/4 or something.

Richard Marks
02-23-2008, 09:02
I use it as others when using my 75 lux wide open in bright conditions. But I seem to cope with my M6 with 1/1000 so presumably I could get by with a new 1/4000 shutter. The thing you are alluding to is would I go for the new shutter? Not that bothered actually.

02-23-2008, 09:05
all the time with Noctilux + 103 ND

02-23-2008, 09:08
My Nikon D50 only goes down to 200iso. I regularly see the overexpose notice through the viewfinder when I'm out in the sun if I'm shooting at f3.5 or faster.

My Voigtlander stopped at 1/2000th and I was shooting film at 800iso and couldn't accommodate it on a sunny, snowy day even at f22.

With a digital camera, you can adjust down your iso. With film, sometimes you're 3/4 the way through a roll you were pushing indoors the night before.

02-23-2008, 09:27
I use my Maxxum 7 SLR at 1/8000 with lens f/2 on sand dunes with near no DOF. Fantastic clicks can be hear. Nice results. It happens seldom with my Lensbaby 2.0

Benjamin Marks
02-23-2008, 09:46
Hmm. Interesting. I do a lot of portraiture and don't tend to work in the direct sunlight. Even when taking portraits outdoors, I tend to go for open shade. I guess my mental model for this was sporting events or outdoor weddings.

No, I wasn't really asking about the M8 shutter swap, although that was what prompted the question. I guess digital cameras don't really have the reciprocity characteristics of film and that CMOS chips have a fairly linear response. I just wondered how folks use that 1/8000 slice of time as I couldn't really imagine needing more than that Pentax's 1/1000 top speed. But I get what folks are saying about shallow depth of field. It seems like digital's exposure linearity has made certain things possible in this regard that weren't previously.

Ben Z
02-23-2008, 10:10
I can't say how many times I've used 1/8000, but with the M8 set to Automatic I know that frequently the shutter goes over 1/4000. Set to ISO 160, in broad daylight, "sunny-16" rule means anything wider than f/3.5 requires a shutter speed beyond 1/4000. It isn't necessary to be shooting at f/1 or 1.4 to need speeds higher than 1/4000. Remember, the M8's shutter is stepless in Automatic, so it's isn't simply one shutter speed lost, it's a whole range of shutter speeds. It's the loss of one full stop of exposure flexibility.

David Goldfarb
02-23-2008, 10:14
To stop action, there seems to be a class of things that require something like 1/1000 sec. (most kinds of normal motion, moving cars, etc.), and some that are best done with flash and need 1/20000th (dancers in mid-air, hummingbirds). Occasionally I might use 1/1000 or 1/2000 sec to get a wide aperture without a ND filter in bright light, but I don't really see myself using 1/4000 or 1/8000 sec. that much, even if I had it.

02-23-2008, 10:34
My first two shots this morning were at 1/8000 and then 1/6000 at ISO 160 with my CV 35mm Nokton at f1.2, shooting against water reflecting a bright, overcast sky.

02-23-2008, 10:40
all the time with Noctilux + 103 ND

Ditto. 1.0 Noctilux sunny day, many times.

02-23-2008, 12:25
Very often, and i will not change /"upgrade?" the shutter...

02-23-2008, 13:01
I wish Leica could use new shutters with M8.. I seldom use even 1/1000 .. silly kaufman after all..

02-23-2008, 14:21
I wish the M6 had a higher top speed, because I like to use my optics wide open for nearly everything and 1k doesn't cut it sometimes. I generally have 400 on me, just because this is Seattle....

02-23-2008, 14:48
With my Nokton in broad daylight? Alot. Especially if I use larger apertures...

02-23-2008, 15:54
Once, when I was still shooting with my old Minolta 9xi SLRs, I actually tried a few wide-open shots in bright sun at its purported top speed (1/12000 sec), just for shiggles. Hard to find situations where you can do that, and I personally feel that the law of diminishing returns (not to mention deterioration of accuracy) starts to kick in around 1/4000. I do frequently hover between 1/2000 and 1/4000 on my Hexar RFs, so I'm happy for having a 1/4000 top shutter speed on those.

The shutter-speed drop on "upgraded" M8s might be more a psychological barrier than anything else, but I don'tt shoot with one, so I can't be sure. If it made the thing noticably more quiet, the trade-off might be worth it, but we'd have to compare models side-by-side to determing this.

- Barrett

Al Kaplan
02-23-2008, 16:07
I rarely shoot faster that 1/250. I can always fall back on neutral density filters if I want to shoot wide open, or use slower film.+

02-25-2008, 08:22
So you only take pics when the sun is on its highest?

Edit: Or very fast film :)

I don't understand it but I believe that is supposed to be a ironical joke, isn't?

I'm more noctilux-guy ;) At f8 at bright day you can do what you like without using 1/500 or faster :) Maybe the weather is bad here, lol. If it is too bright so I could shoot at iso 50 with another body and film :P

using ndfilter is more pleasant with new shutter than a loud one

Gabriel M.A.
02-25-2008, 08:33
Who actually uses 1/8000 of sec?

I do. I also shoot "Bulb". The whole spectrum has its uses in real life. Real life is not a controlled indoor-studio.

02-25-2008, 09:16
I do with both a Nocti and Canon 50/0.95 during the day when shooting for very narrow DOF. Also use it on my 5D with the 50/1.0.

02-28-2008, 10:50
Yes with high speed lenses outdoors 75 summilux with flowers or anything I want to stand out David

02-28-2008, 23:34
Interesting question, so too, do you use the light meter LEDs... OK, so I'm an "incident" lighting sort, but...

Yes, to speeds 2000, 4000, and 8000 and light meter LEDs: they're there, let's use 'em.
At ISO 2500 with 4000 or 8000 in daylight I can get some "nope-no-film-like" source data that obviates post-proc, er, "methods".

I use the LEDs because, sniff, there ain't no EV adjustment wheel, sob! Oh, the horror!


03-01-2008, 20:05
My FM2n goes up to 1/4000. I use it all the time when I'm loading film and need to advance the new roll to Frame #1. That's the only time I use it.

03-02-2008, 07:27
Having 1/8000 sec. means that your 1/4000 and 1/2000 speeds will be accurate. (Usually the fastest speed on a camera is a little slow.) That's one advantage of having such fast speeds.

I rarely use 1/8000 sec. on any of the cameras I have that support it (and I have a few, all Nikons: F4s, F5, N8008s, F90x, F100), but it's nice that it's there.

The lack of it certainly wouldn't quench my interest in an otherwise capable camera, but the lack of 1/250 flash synch certainly might.

03-03-2008, 08:29
Are there a lot of you who routinely use 1/8000 or 1/4000? So: 1/8000 (1/4000 if applicable). Who among us actually uses their camera's top speed? If so, how often? Routinely? Inquiring minds want to know. With curiosity, Ben Marks

I think I've shot at 1/8000th . . . once. Most of my shooting is at 1/30th, 1/60th, 1/125th, or 1/250th. Very little at 1/1000th, and less still at 1/2000th. Thanks for the thread--need to find more opportunities to shoot at higher speeds. ;)