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projectbluebird
01-25-2008, 01:50
A while ago, I recall reading an interesting snippet on the impact George Eastman had on photography. Shortly after the introduction of the brownie camera, the word Kodak came to be used for the act of taking photographs. To Kodak. (And presumably: Kodaking, Kodaked)

I propose an updated version for those who still use film(of any flavor):

"Kodakery"

This poll is a light-hearted attempt to decide the proper usage of this new-fangled word.

1) A noun.
2) A verb.
3) A refreshing summertime drink, usually red and yellow.

mfunnell
01-25-2008, 02:06
Somehow I doubt "Kodakery", as such, will ever cut it as an English-language verb.

However, the drink sounds interesting.

...Mike

Sparrow
01-25-2008, 02:06
Too busy hoovering to comment, but would it need capitalising?

:)

lZr
01-25-2008, 02:13
It depends on where you put the weight. It can be verb when pronounced with weight on 'y' and read as 'ie', or noun with weight on 'e'. In this case I hear true 'e'. Try it. My English is bad. Perhaps being a refreshing drink is better

Sparrow
01-25-2008, 02:19
Anyway I prefer the idea of being fujied myself

lZr
01-25-2008, 02:24
How Fujied? Proviaso, or Velvetto?

rxmd
01-25-2008, 02:26
It's a word with 2660 hits on Google, and a magazine title from the 1920s. But no Wikipedia entry yet. Go for it. :)

Sparrow
01-25-2008, 02:45
How Fujied? Proviaso, or Velvetto?

It just sounded nicer, and probably involves one of those bath-houses or a Geisha girl………welcome to my world

:angel:

dexdog
01-25-2008, 02:48
Kodakery has been around for a long time. It was the name of Kodak's magazine, and was also used as the basis for a letter code used to identify models of Kodak products.

dmr
01-25-2008, 02:49
Shortly after the introduction of the brownie camera, the word Kodak came to be used for the act of taking photographs. To Kodak. (And presumably: Kodaking, Kodaked)

Way back when, I remember my grandmother remarking to me, about the time I got my first camera, a Brownie Starflash, "... you know, we used to develop our own Kodaks back when your dad was your age ..."

That was the first time I remember hearing the brand name Kodak used as a noun for the photos themselves. I kind of thought of it being quaint and anachronistic, since nobody my age ever called photos "Kodaks" then. :)

I would think that since Kodak is trying to reposition themselves as a {d-word} company, that the name would not be appropriate for implying film photography.

Does anybody know where the word "Kodak" came from? (Acronym? Portmanteau?) I know that Brownie supposedly came from somebody named Brown. Anybody know the etymology of Kodak?

RayPA
01-25-2008, 06:04
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Does anybody know where the word "Kodak" came from? (Acronym? Portmanteau?) I know that Brownie supposedly came from somebody named Brown. Anybody know the etymology of Kodak?

I think it was derived from the word Kodiak.

This poll is a light-hearted attempt to decide the proper usage of this new-fangled word.

1) A noun.
2) A verb.
3) A refreshing summertime drink, usually red and yellow.


I voted noun. I'm seeing a blending of the words Kodak and bakery. Kodakery is the place where my Tri-X is baked to perfection. :angel:


.

BillBingham2
01-25-2008, 06:18
Kodakery is the name of Kodaks internal new paper for the employees. She was published out of the office (Kodak Office, State St. in 18% NY) for years, think she still comes on weekly.

My father was a photographer there for years (all of the 70's and early 80's) along with Erv Lewis. Dad retired from there on medical (Cancer), not sure about Erv. Erv was a great guy, grew up in Love Cannel and worked in 'Nam as a photographer some times on Agent Orange sprays.

I was a very luck young man who was able to shoot, soup and print a lot of film and became a much better photographer for it.

B2 (;->

FPjohn
01-25-2008, 06:22
Kodak was the word "invented" by Eastman so that it could be universal and pronounced the same way all around the world.

Not so much now, but in the past "Kodak" was used to say "camera" in French, (esp' "point+shoot.)

www.brownie-camera.com

Hello:

Kodak was a made up Universal word, somewhat like Japanese Roman car names. Brownies were a children's fad appropriated for the low cost P&S "Kodak" for children.

yours
Frank

dmr
01-25-2008, 06:22
Curiosity got me ... here's what Wikipedia says:


He (Eastman) and his mother devised the name Kodak with an anagram set. He said that there were three principal concepts he used in creating the name: it should be short, one cannot mispronounce it, and it could not resemble anything or be associated with anything but Kodak. It has also been suggested that "Kodak" originated from the suggestion of David Houston, a fellow photographic inventor who held the patents to several roll film camera concepts that he later sold to Eastman. Houston, who started receiving patents in 1881, was said to have chosen "Nodak" as a nickname of his home state, North Dakota (NoDak).[5] This is has been contested by other historians, however, who cite that Kodak was trademarked prior to Eastman buying Houston's patents.

dmr
01-25-2008, 06:26
Here's what Wiki says about Brownie, which is similar to the story I heard, except I thought the guy's name was Brown and not Brownell:

The camera was named after Frank Brownell, its inventor who was a subcontractor of Eastman Kodak, and then ascribed to Palmer Cox's popular cartoon characters.

bsdunek
01-25-2008, 06:33
How Fujied? Proviaso, or Velvetto?
Aren't those cheeses???
Yes, I have heard Kodak used for any camera or photo. Goes along with Kleenex for any tissue. My one Grandmother called all soft drinks 'Coke', while my other Grandmother called all cars 'Fords'.
Interesting how language comes about. :cool:

Solinar
01-25-2008, 07:04
I propose an updated version for those who still use film(of any flavor):

"Kodakery"

This poll is a light-hearted attempt to decide the proper usage of this new-fangled word.

1) A noun.
2) A verb.
3) A refreshing summertime drink, usually red and yellow.

I can't seem to get any "Velox" paper, which is a photographic paper that can be exposed in lamp light, but I do develop and print my own negs.

Think of it. All the hoi poi loi being able to shoot there own photos with sheet or roll film, using prepackaged film developing kits from Kodak and printing at home on "Velox" paper probably the death of proper photography.

I still remember the first time I developed a roll a film and printed only a contact sheet. It was magic, but to answer your question, "Kodakery" is a noun.

ZorkiKat
01-25-2008, 07:23
Aren't those cheeses???
Yes, I have heard Kodak used for any camera or photo. Goes along with Kleenex for any tissue. My one Grandmother called all soft drinks 'Coke', while my other Grandmother called all cars 'Fords'.
Interesting how language comes about. :cool:

Same here. Trademarks, often western but not always, became generic nouns to refer to things which didn't have a proper name in the local language (Tagalog/Filipino) or as verbs for the same purpose.

Kodak (localised, "kodakan" : to take pictures; "kodakero", photographer) has taken on a meaning similar to what it had elsewhere.

Other examples: Coke is any soda drink (use to hear in some diners, "What Coke do you want? Pepsi, Sprite or 7-Up?"). Frigidaire (local, ''pridyider") is refrigerator. Betamax is any VCR, even if it used VHS. Xerox is for any photocopy.

Spider67
01-25-2008, 07:49
"Stop this kodakery and get a decent P&S digital for our wedding party photos!"
came to my mind when I did the poll

Solinar
01-25-2008, 08:05
Old school 35mm photographers lament the new small format digitals, but fail to see that 35mm is itself a small format.

Back in the day of "Kodakery" one could by a # 3A folder, which had a frame size of 3 1/4 X 5 1/2 inches on 128 film.

It could then be contacted printed on "Velox" paper using either lantern light or with an electric bulb. http://www.adclassix.com/a3/25kodakphotopaper.htm

Kodak dropped their excellent line of modern B/W papers in 2005 and to make it final, they demolished Building 9 which was the paper plant at Kodak Park in Rochester. That occurred last year on 30 June 2007.

Mudman
01-25-2008, 08:27
Kodak was supposedly an invented word (possibly based on other words) by eastman. apparently K was Eastman's favorite letter. I'll look it up more in Kodak's history of Kodak that I have lying around if anyone really wants Kodaks version of the story.

shadowfox
01-25-2008, 08:45
Fascinating. I always thought Kodak is the other guy's last name like
Franke & Heidecke


:D

MickH
01-25-2008, 09:04
The Brownie was a popular kids character at about the time Kodak were producing their new box camera. The image was appropriated by Kodak as a marketing device for the new camera. Rather like (say) the current fad for Bratz merchandise has lead to Bratz cameras (Click here (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TiKvnkq7L._AA280_.jpg)), back then it was the Brownies. Here (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/brownies/another_brownie_book.jpg&imgrefurl=http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/brownies/another.html&h=610&w=478&sz=111&hl=en&start=83&tbnid=Xr7xco7WWeV5_M:&tbnh=136&tbnw=107&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrownie%26start%3D80%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp %3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN) and here (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.digicamhistory.com/Kodak%2520Brownie%2520Ad%2520D.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.digicamhistory.com/1906_1920.html&h=310&w=216&sz=22&hl=en&start=30&tbnid=tT1Gb_HYCmgJ4M:&tbnh=117&tbnw=82&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkodak%2Bbrownie%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D 2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN) for examples.

It's amazing what I pick up on the telly.

Cheers.

Tuna
01-26-2008, 05:36
Kodakery is the name of Kodaks internal new paper for the employees. She was published out of the office (Kodak Office, State St. in 18% NY) for years, think she still comes on weekly.

B2 (;->

It stopped being distributed a few years back when I received the last copy announcing it's own demise.

Tuna

Tuna
01-26-2008, 05:38
Curiosity got me ... here's what Wikipedia says:

Wikipedia? Hmmm... Well, I just went in and changed all the information so that now all the facts are different than they were before.

BillBingham2
01-26-2008, 09:22
It stopped being distributed a few years back when I received the last copy announcing it's own demise.

Tuna

That 5ucks, but they could do the same thing on the Internet and all. I would bet that the retirees miss it big time. Part of me wants to go back to Rochester before all of the Park is gone, show the kids where their Grandfather worked all his life and I spent a fun summer in the dark.

B2 (;->

kuzano
01-26-2008, 09:30
How Fujied? Proviaso, or Velvetto?

Pushed me to favor Proviaso.

bmattock
02-17-2008, 15:49
Kodakery was a magazine for the public before it was an internal employee newsletter. I collect 'em.

To be 'kodaked' was to have your photograph taken. One also took a photo by kodaking it.

Gabriel M.A.
02-17-2008, 17:10
Whatthefuddery?

Gabriel M.A.
02-17-2008, 17:12
Kodakery is the place where my Tri-X is baked to perfection.
You silly rabbit, Tri-x is for kids (http://www.sillyrabbit.millsberry.com/)!

crawdiddy
02-17-2008, 17:24
Kodakery is a noun. It's where Kokak products come from. It's the nesting place (like a rookery).

Gabriel M.A.
02-17-2008, 17:41
Kodakery is a noun. It's where Kokak products come from. It's the nesting place (like a rookery).
So...since humans come from...err...well, emm... :angel:

landsknechte
02-17-2008, 17:52
It sounds to me like a archaic, perhaps Victorian, term for screwing around.

"Quit your Kodakery and get back to work, you layabout. I have had quite enough of your lolligagging!"

MickH
02-18-2008, 09:03
Kodakery, Schmodakery!

Sparrow
02-18-2008, 09:42
So...since humans come from...err...well, emm... :angel:

From the Homo valley (Kenya?) we should be homoery,…… d’oh

MickH
02-18-2008, 09:57
So...since humans come from...err...well, emm... :angel:

We come from various countries.