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GeneW
02-16-2005, 10:46
My Zorki 3M is flying home to the motherland and, barring theft, into Oleg's repair studio. On the last roll I shot with it, one side of each frame was darker than the other side. Now it might seem odd to pay the postage and pay for a CLA and maybe even parts, but it's what happens when one of the FSU cams gets under your skin...

I've owned a Zorki 4K, Fed-2 and Zorki 3M. I liked them all. I missed having strap lugs with the 4K though. The Fed-2 was a beauty and taught me that I actually LIKE a rewind knob, but as nice as the Fed-2 was, the 3M seemed perfect to me -- nice rewind knob, strap lugs, perfect balance in my hands, and beautiful lines. Sounds corny, but it spoke to me -- it was the one I wanted to shoot with.

So I told Oleg, fix it so it's good and I can use it for another 20 years :D

Do any of you feel enough attachment to any of your FSU's that you'd go the extra kilometer to have it working well, or is this some rare condition with maybe parallels to GAS? ...

Gene

taffer
02-16-2005, 10:56
No Gene, it's also that you found your FSU perfect match, and that you actually WANT to shoot it :D

Wise decision.

GeneW
02-16-2005, 11:00
Thanks Oscar. I forgot to mention that it was Oscar who reminded me about Oleg when I was describing the problem I noticed with the Zorki. I'd also heard several members here praise his CLA and restoration work.

Gene

Kin Lau
02-16-2005, 11:48
I looked at the title, and imagined a Zorki flying out the window of a highrise apartment :)

My 1st Zorki was a 4, which was a little cranky. I solved that by buying a 2S, Kiev & 4K :)

wlewisiii
02-16-2005, 12:33
Gene, that's how I feel about the way the Contax and Kiev cameras feel - and I find that they all seem just about the same, so I could pick any of the clan up and be comfortable. The only really different ones are the Contax I and the Kiev 5 and I'll know about the latter one soon enough. But when my Kiev 4a needs a CLA, it's going to Henry's Contax Day Spa for the works. And it will be just as worth the money as my Contax III, to me.

William

GeneW
02-16-2005, 12:45
William, one of these days I *know* I'm going to try out a Kiev. Especially when I hear how passionate you and other Kiev users are about them!

Gene

Roman
02-16-2005, 14:02
Well, I paid the 'all-inclusive holidays' in the Autonomous Region of Mari-El at Oleg's health spa for my Zorki 6....

Roman

back alley
02-16-2005, 15:46
the kiev is a very different 'feel' than the zorki.

too new for me to describe but if i had to try -- i would liken the kiev to a canon rf and the zorki to a leica -- in feel, not operation.

joe

GeneW
02-16-2005, 15:51
Roman, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who sends his camera to Oleg's Health Spa LOL!

Joe, thanks for the comparison. Since I've never used a Canon, the comparison isn't as useful as it should be ... maybe you want to lend me your Canons for awhile so I can 'get the feel'??

Gene

back alley
02-16-2005, 15:55
if you can grab a ftb that would do also.
it looks close to the canon rf bodies.

one thing about the kiev, the lens is much tighter into the body - makes for a narrow profile, easier to pack in a smaller pocket, etc. i thought it was a collapsable for a minute.

joe

Gordon Coale
02-16-2005, 16:42
I have a couple of FED 2s that will eventually end up at Oleg's Health Spa for Wayward Commie Cameras. It's the FED 2 that speaks to me. (But them I often hear voices in my head.) I love shooting them and I love just setting them down on the table and looking at them. I really need to get a life.

GeneW
02-16-2005, 16:49
I love shooting them and I love just setting them down on the table and looking at them. I really need to get a life.
A soulmate! :D

Gene

wlewisiii
02-16-2005, 17:02
William, one of these days I *know* I'm going to try out a Kiev. Especially when I hear how passionate you and other Kiev users are about them!

Gene

Well, they are certainly worth a try. As joe mentions, they are different from other cameras. I've been corrupted by the zeisside enough that I prefer my Kiev to a Lieca CL that I fondled for awhile before selling it to Brian Sweeney for a friend. I doubt that I'm typical, but I also really like my 85 and 135 lenses and that much longer EBL rangefinder really helps. I've never had a hassle with my 85/2 wide open for example.

The Kiev itself, even in later simplified and of suspect QC versions, is still an amazing camera. It's summed up best in this quote from Peter Hennig's article (http://www.cameraquest.com/zconrfKiev.htm) at Cameraquest: “This is not a Soviet camera - it is a German camera, made in the Soviet Union” In it's soul, it's still a Contax.

William

GeneW
02-16-2005, 17:23
William, oh man ... you shouldn't do that to me ...

Anyone have a good-condition Kiev for sale??

Gene

wlewisiii
02-16-2005, 18:12
:D :D :D :D

http://www.okvintagecamera.com/index.html
or
http://www.fedka.com/catalog/

are both very good places to start. I like fedka alot - he costs more but he really will go the extra 10 km for a customer.

William

yauyaursk
02-18-2005, 09:07
GeneW
Can you tell me more about the feeling using Zorki-3
Because I want to buy one be my No.2 when my Fed-2 go to repair

GeneW
02-18-2005, 12:28
GeneW
Can you tell me more about the feeling using Zorki-3
Because I want to buy one be my No.2 when my Fed-2 go to repair
I once read a description on a website that called the Zorki 3M the 'Queen of the Zorki's'. The 3M is like the Zorki 3 but the separate slow shutter speed dial was combined into a single shutter dial. The 3's had a relatively short run so there aren't as many of them around.

This is totally subjective, but something about the lines of the camera, plus the way it feels in my hand, makes it feel 'just right' to me. I'd even go so far as to say that if I were to have only one RF camera from my collection, this is the one I'd choose. (I'd probably like a Leica even more but I don't have one ...)

I owned a dandy Fed-2 and really liked it too, but the Zorki 3M just clicked with me somehow (no pun intended). It has strap lugs, and nice big film advance knob, but no flash sync. The back comes off the same way as the Zorki 4 series. It has Contax style locks on the bottom.

My hope is that the 3M comes back from Oleg's Health Spa ready to shoot for another 20 yrs! LOL :D

Gene

fraley
02-18-2005, 20:19
Thanks, Gene

I've really enjoyed this thread. Since my introduction to rangefinders last September, I've tried a Fed 5c, a Yashica GSN, a Yashica Lynx 1000, a Kiev 4AM, and a Zorki 4. It's the Zorki that has had the most attraction for me. I like the built-in diopter and the bright viewfinder. It feels solid and reliable. I just recently bid and won on a second Zorki 4. This is the early version of the 4, same as a 3c with the addition of a self-timer. I don't know if the blue is original (seems doubtful) but I find it speaks to me strangely...

Jon Goodman
02-18-2005, 20:48
I'll second that, Michael. I've said before that I enjoy my Zorki 4 (1956) greatly. I've got another one from 1965 that I'm going to tear down, re-shutter and enjoy. This is the one with the odd engraved script on front...sometimes forgotten. I believe it may have only been made one year or two. The one from 1956 seems smoother and nicer. I'm going to see if I can re-create that feeling in the one from 1965.
Jon

Solinar
02-19-2005, 06:00
I have a Zorki 3M and now a Zorki 3. I already like the Zorki 3, the best even though I've read it can have problems with the slow speed escapement.

One draw back on both cameras, the range finder patch isn't as contrasty as a modern camera.

As mentioned, both fit the hand beautifully and the large 1:1 viewfinder while not so precise for framing is a totally new experience for me.

Solinar
02-19-2005, 06:03
It's the FED 2 that speaks to me. - Same here - I haven't picked up my Retina IIIc since get the FED 2.

GeneW
02-19-2005, 06:44
What's really great about the FSU cams is that they still speak to so many of us!

Happy shooting!

Gene

yauyaursk
02-19-2005, 08:40
Thank You GeneW
I think I am make my decision. I want to buy Kiev 4 or Fed 1 first.
After meet the Zorki 3. And your feeling~
May be go and buy it tomorrow.
I found one at a old camera shop.
Which cheap and still very clear it's look like.

kiev4a
02-25-2005, 13:28
I'll second that, Michael. I've said before that I enjoy my Zorki 4 (1956) greatly. I've got another one from 1965 that I'm going to tear down, re-shutter and enjoy. This is the one with the odd engraved script on front...sometimes forgotten. I believe it may have only been made one year or two. The one from 1956 seems smoother and nicer. I'm going to see if I can re-create that feeling in the one from 1965.
Jon

The Zorki 3M would have been perfect with flash synch. Your 1956 Zorki 4 is IMHO the best Z4 ever made. Everything was engraved rather than painted and it was covered with vulcanite rather than nylon like the later models. I had a mint 1956 Z4 and in a moment of stupidy traded it to a friend a year ago. I'm still strying to get it back! :)

2maneekameras
02-25-2005, 16:28
I really like my fed 2e. I also have a leica IIIa, Fed 1, Fed 3a, Leotax (leica IIIf copy), and a early Zorki 4(on its way from the FSU) in my Leica-inspired camera section. The fed 2 is the camera of this group that I use the most frequently.

kiev4a
03-02-2005, 09:02
What's really great about the FSU cams is that they still speak to so many of us!

Happy shooting!

Gene


My FSU cameras speak to me constantly. The trouble is, I don't understand Russian!

GeneW
04-06-2005, 05:53
I heard from Oleg today. He confirmed what I thought -- that the Z-3m is, overall, in very good condition. The problem with uneven exposures was due to its once having had the shutter curtains replaced with ones that were too thick. He has replaced them with new ones.

Can't wait to get it back! It should be on its way home tomorrow :)

Gene

back alley
04-06-2005, 06:00
good to hear gene. you must be very pleased.
i sometimes think it would be very hard for me to send one of the p's off for a visit to the spa.

joe

pangkievrange
04-06-2005, 08:07
William, oh man ... you shouldn't do that to me ...

Anyone have a good-condition Kiev for sale??

Gene


Oleg has kiev 3a body for sale. He also has kiev 4am and 4m to sell too. I bought 2 kiev 3 and 1 kiev 3a from him. They are working out of the box. The rangefinder is dead on at infinity. This can not be said for any other FSU dealers I experienced with.


pangkievrange

pangkievrange
04-06-2005, 08:11
Thank You GeneW
I think I am make my decision. I want to buy Kiev 4 or Fed 1 first.
After meet the Zorki 3. And your feeling~
May be go and buy it tomorrow.
I found one at a old camera shop.
Which cheap and still very clear it's look like.


try kiev 2, 2a, 3, 3a, and early model kiev 4a. It looks like kiev 3a is the best buy right now. Models 56-58 are good.


pangkievrange

GeneW
04-06-2005, 08:43
good to hear gene. you must be very pleased.
i sometimes think it would be very hard for me to send one of the p's off for a visit to the spa
It's hard. I got so twitchy waiting for it I bought *two* of your RF's LOL! :D

try kiev 2, 2a, 3, 3a, and early model kiev 4a. It looks like kiev 3a is the best buy right now. Models 56-58 are good
Thanks! Now that the Zorki is on its way home and I've supplemented its absence with an Oly 35RC AND a Bessa R, the GAS has subsided a bit. I really don't need another RF right now. I'll wait at least a week longer :D

Gene

newspaperguy
04-06-2005, 08:49
FWIW- my Zorki 3M was Olegized two years ago (ok, maybe three?)
best money I ever spent. Works smooth as a dream with a bright
veiwfinder!

Comparison? I'd call the FSU answer to the Leica IIIG, at a fraction
(a small fraction at that) of the price.

Rick :cool:

GeneW
04-06-2005, 09:13
FWIW- my Zorki 3M was Olegized two years ago (ok, maybe three?)
best money I ever spent. Works smooth as a dream with a bright
veiwfinder!

Comparison? I'd call the FSU answer to the Leica IIIG, at a fraction
(a small fraction at that) of the price.

Rick :cool:
Thanks Rick. That's *very* reassuring to hear! I really like using the 3M and am looking forward to its homecoming.

Gene

zhang
04-06-2005, 14:38
....
I've owned a Zorki 4K, Fed-2 and Zorki 3M. I liked them all. I missed having strap lugs with the 4K though. ....
Gene

Hello Gene and others,

When talking about Zorki 4K, I am always wondering why no one mentioned a Z-4K with engrved speed numbers? Most Z-4K has the easily erased printed numbers but I was fortunte enough to have found 3 that has the engraved numbers. They look like factory made but perhaps in small numbers. When strap lugs are added, the Zorki -4k becomes one of my favorite Soviet rangefinder cameras.

Regards

Zhang

GeneW
04-06-2005, 14:59
Zhang, that's really a cool looking 4K. I've never seen one with strap lugs before. Nice!!

Gene

zhang
04-06-2005, 15:22
Zhang, that's really a cool looking 4K. I've never seen one with strap lugs before. Nice!!

Gene

Hi Gene,

I swapped a $10 Zorki 4's strap lugged body case with this engraved Z-4k to combine the merits of both cameras.:-)

Zhang

GeneW
04-06-2005, 15:33
I swapped a $10 Zorki 4's strap lugged body case with this engraved Z-4k to combine the merits of both cameras.:-)
Creative FSUship! Very clever, and well done!

Gene

GeneW
04-25-2005, 06:35
This morning the postman rang twice ..

Once to deliver my old friend Zork, returned from Oleg's Health Spa, sounding really good and ready for some shooting.

Then again, to deliver the latest version of Photoshop.

Wonderful juxtaposition of Old and New, and I'm taking it as an omen. I start a night class tonight for what could be a career change. The signs are favourable :D

Gene

Photos:
1. Yak-string package
2. Zorki 3M with Jupiter 8 and CV 50mm 1:1 VF
3. Zorki and Adobe buddying up ...
.

Solinar
04-25-2005, 07:22
Sweetness, redux. I've yet to use my 50mm bright-line finder on the Zorki. Maybe I should give it a try.

einolu
04-25-2005, 08:46
its funny that the viewfinder costs more than the camera. I always wanted one of those but sadly could never afford them. I think Im going to spend my money on a Bessa L instead, heh.

Solinar
04-25-2005, 09:43
Yep, a bright line finder may run you the price of three or four FED 2's, but you will get some use out it on other cameras. My favorite use is with an old Agfa Record III shown here bringing up the rear. It's a great combination, as the 50mm frame lines are a bit tighter than the 105mm viewing field of a 6x9 medium format folder.

einolu
04-25-2005, 09:47
that is a boatload of chome, it looks great! :-D

Trius
04-25-2005, 16:22
This morning the postman rang twice ..

Once to deliver my old friend Zork, returned from Oleg's Health Spa, sounding really good and ready for some shooting.

Then again, to deliver the latest version of Photoshop.

Wonderful juxtaposition of Old and New, and I'm taking it as an omen. I start a night class tonight for what could be a career change. The signs are favourable :D

Gene

Photos:
1. Yak-string package
2. Zorki 3M with Jupiter 8 and CV 50mm 1:1 VF
3. Zorki and Adobe buddying up ...
.

Hey Gene... what a good day, eh? Holy cow, you do live close to the river and the harbour!

Question: Why the additional finder? What advantage does it give?

I'll be looking for new Zorki shots on the blog!

Trius

back alley
04-25-2005, 17:11
This morning the postman rang twice ..

Once to deliver my old friend Zork, returned from Oleg's Health Spa, sounding really good and ready for some shooting.

Then again, to deliver the latest version of Photoshop.

Wonderful juxtaposition of Old and New, and I'm taking it as an omen. I start a night class tonight for what could be a career change. The signs are favourable :D

Gene

Photos:
1. Yak-string package
2. Zorki 3M with Jupiter 8 and CV 50mm 1:1 VF
3. Zorki and Adobe buddying up ...
.

i'm happy for you gene, the camera looks great!

do you think it will become your main shooter again, now that you have so many choices?

joe

back alley
04-25-2005, 17:13
good to hear gene. you must be very pleased.
i sometimes think it would be very hard for me to send one of the p's off for a visit to the spa.

joe


aagghhh!
i think i may have cursed myself!!

man, i am one superstitious scilian.
joe

einolu
04-25-2005, 17:36
That finder is great since it shows things at a 1:1 ratio so you can keep both eyes open while you frame, and its supposed to be very bright and big. It also looks very cool :P.

GeneW
04-25-2005, 19:04
Hey Gene... what a good day, eh? Holy cow, you do live close to the river and the harbour!

Question: Why the additional finder? What advantage does it give?

I'll be looking for new Zorki shots on the blog!

Trius
Hey Trius! Too bad we didn't connect while you were in Toronto, but next time!
The advantage?

That finder is great since it shows things at a 1:1 ratio so you can keep both eyes open while you frame, and its supposed to be very bright and big. It also looks very cool :P.
Yup, that's the advantage all right. Plus the Zorki doesn't have a particularly well defined edge to its VF and I find myself cutting things off sometimes thinking they're in the frame. I can frame better with the external and the 1:1 ratio is truly a treat. I use the external VF on more than one cam.

It's really nice to have the Zorki back!

Gene

GeneW
04-25-2005, 19:06
i'm happy for you gene, the camera looks great!

do you think it will become your main shooter again, now that you have so many choices?

joe
Thanks Joe -- I'm really happy to have it back. I think the Zorki will become my main 50mm shooter and the Bessa will be my main 35mm shooter. I really hate changing lenses on LTM mounts. It takes me forever :D

Gene

back alley
04-25-2005, 19:31
oh me too! that's one reason i like having 2 p's.

joe

atelier7
04-25-2005, 20:02
Hello Gene and others,

When talking about Zorki 4K, I am always wondering why no one mentioned a Z-4K with engrved speed numbers? Most Z-4K has the easily erased printed numbers but I was fortunte enough to have found 3 that has the engraved numbers. They look like factory made but perhaps in small numbers. When strap lugs are added, the Zorki -4k becomes one of my favorite Soviet rangefinder cameras.

Regards

Zhang


while we're on the topic of Zorkis, has anyone come up with a solution on faded numbers?

Kin Lau
04-25-2005, 20:32
oh me too! that's one reason i like having 2 p's.


Hmm.. if they're both in a bag, would that be "2 p's in a pod?" :D

back alley
04-25-2005, 21:02
kl,

go to your room!

joe

rbiemer
04-26-2005, 12:07
while we're on the topic of Zorkis, has anyone come up with a solution on faded numbers?
Haven't tried it but maybe a jeweler could engrave the nos? Of course you'd need to know exactly where to put 'em. If the paint is only faded but still there then you'd be set. If the numbers are gone that would be more complicated.
So far, I've been lucky cuz my Zorkis are all engraved.
Rob

rbiemer
04-30-2005, 08:40
This morning the postman rang twice ..

Once to deliver my old friend Zork, returned from Oleg's Health Spa, sounding really good and ready for some shooting.

Then again, to deliver the latest version of Photoshop.

Wonderful juxtaposition of Old and New, and I'm taking it as an omen. I start a night class tonight for what could be a career change. The signs are favourable :D

Gene

Photos:
1. Yak-string package
2. Zorki 3M with Jupiter 8 and CV 50mm 1:1 VF
3. Zorki and Adobe buddying up ...
.
Gene,
Not sure how I missed this post until today. Happy for you to have that beauty back! How's it shooting?
I'm real happy with mine but have been toying with the idea of sending it to Oleg for preventitve maintainance. I have no worries about his work but can't quite bring myself to be without the camera for several weeks...I do have other choices to take pictures with while my Z3 is traveling...
Hvae to go off and think about this.
Pictures soon?
Rob

taffer
04-30-2005, 09:03
Argh, I missed it too !!!

Congrats Gene !!! I know how much you missed the 3M, in fact it made you buy two more RFs while waiting for it :D After some time I took it out for a while yesterday and I fell in love with it again.

It's true that external VFs can run twice or three times the cost of the camera but then you can use them for 2 or 3 different ones, just as Solinar shown us :) Now, where's that used bargain 28/35 minifinder :bang:

GeneW
04-30-2005, 11:55
Thanks Rob & Oscar! I have a test roll in the camera but haven't finished it yet.

Gene