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Rafael
07-28-2006, 13:08
It seems to me that SLR shooters are much more likely to own two or more of the same camera body than are RF shooters. My SLR kit has always included a pair of camera bodies. But, when I think about getting a second RF body, my inclination is to look for something that would complement but not duplicate what I already have. Am I right that this is a general trend amongst RF shooters? If so, why?

Edit: Sorry, I kind of messed up the available options (my first poll:confused: ) Anyway, there is now an option available to those whose collection of RF bodies includes some duplicates.

jan normandale
07-28-2006, 13:09
get two of everything

back alley
07-28-2006, 13:10
i've done both, had 3 canon p bodies and liked it.
now i have 3 m mount bodies and like it. (3 different cameras)

Ash
07-28-2006, 13:16
I only have one m-42 mount slr, I had a MD-mount, and sold my maf-mount newish slr. I kind of upgraded, then sold my upgrades settling with the old one. I've never doubled up but the m-42 was meant to only be my backup 'in case'.

My rf collection is growing, but I dont really need 2 of any body. Maybe when a body breaks down I'll get another one of the same type.

wlewisiii
07-28-2006, 13:16
I only have 1 RF body at this time. If it dies, then I'll get another. The same for my FT-bN & Speed Graphic. I've really needed to weed out what isn't getting used and that's slowly happening.

Now lenses are a different story... :bang: ;)

William

FrankS
07-28-2006, 13:18
If you had the opportunity to marry a second person, would you choose someone exactly the same as your current spouse, or somebody different? I prefer the variety.

Contax III, M2, M3, M6, CL, IIIa, IIf, Minilux, Hexar AF,... no duplicates

rover
07-28-2006, 13:19
Yeah, collector here, many bodies, no duplicates.

telenous
07-28-2006, 13:26
I am not sure how to answer this. I have an M3 and M2. They look like non-identical twins.

They are same. But different.

Rafael
07-28-2006, 13:27
I am not sure how to answer this. I have an M3 and M2. They look like non-identical twins.

They are same. But different.


They are complementary because they have different framelines.

Todd.Hanz
07-28-2006, 13:30
M3, M4-P, M6...MMM Good! :D

Todd

RayPA
07-28-2006, 13:38
Why no option for 'Complimentary and duplicate'? Yes, some of us are sick. I own duplicate M4-P's that compliment my M7 (fully manual to compliment electronic).

Rafael
07-28-2006, 13:44
Why no option for 'Complimentary and duplicate'?


Oops! Good point. Does anyone know how I can add an option to the poll?

NIKON KIU
07-28-2006, 13:45
Why no option for 'Complimentary and duplicate'? Yes, some of us are sick. I own duplicate M4-P's that compliment my M7 (fully manual to compliment electronic).
I second that...but mines are all Nikons.
Kiu

traveller
07-28-2006, 13:49
Yes, some of us are sick.

My goodness :eek: , I didn't know that I'm in a critical condition. I there any hope?

telenous
07-28-2006, 13:52
They are complementary because they have different framelines.

Complementary it is then. I cast my vote.

venchka
07-28-2006, 14:18
Based on the wording of the poll, my vote was for #1, Twin Canon VI-Ts.

In fact, I figure my twins are complimented by the recent addition of an M5.

I suppose "All of the Above" would be my real vote.

nomade
07-28-2006, 14:29
I've no duplicates

peter_n
07-28-2006, 16:55
I have two M7s that are complementary, one 0.72 mag and one 0.85. If I had the money I'd get a duplicate 0.85 because I like that camera so much.

ErnestoJL
07-28-2006, 18:10
I´m currently using a ZI Contax II and an AZ Kiev 4.
Mounts are the same as well as VFs and limitations, lenses are commonly shared between them...
Are they twins... or just complementary bodies?

Shall I say something about wives?

Ernesto

BillBingham2
07-28-2006, 18:18
I think I am the GAS King. M4-P and M6 (I think complementary as one has a meter), two sets of Bessa Ts and Bessa Ls (two twins or two complementary) and one S2 (trying to resist the GAS to get an SP).

B2 (;->

MP/CLE
07-28-2006, 19:19
Two CLE's, one m7 and an XPANII... a dozen lenses for the first three and three lenses for the X. I was attempting to get an m7 a la carte but the idea of the m8 and entering the digital zone had waylaid that investment for the time being.

With women I do not think duplication is possible... the closest I got had a very similar physical resemblance with a dramatically different social personality. Entertaining but scary... to keep them both was dangerous so I went with the sane one. Now I sometimes wonder if it was the right move...midlife crisis? I don't know yet...

FrankS
07-28-2006, 19:45
In the long run, the sane one is the better choice!

I just realized that I do have duplication of sorts: in 50mm RF lenses!

jan normandale
07-28-2006, 21:20
If you had the opportunity to marry a second person, would you choose someone exactly the same as your current spouse, or somebody different? I prefer the variety.

Contax III, M2, M3, M6, CL, IIIa, IIf, Minilux, Hexar AF,... no duplicates

Frank, was that a Freudian slip? I thought this was about rangefinder bodies; not spouses.... ;- )

Gordon Coale
07-28-2006, 21:49
Complimentary. A Leica IIIc and a Zorki 3M. See? Two different threes.

James Brannan
07-28-2006, 22:39
It's work vs. fun for me. I use DSLR's for fun and money at times. I typically carry a D200 (D100 for backup as all can use the same batteries), a 17-55mm (with a 18-55mm as a cheap backup), a 50mm 1.4D (with a 50mm 1.4AIS as the backup), a SB800 flash (with a SB600 flash for effect and as a cheap backup), a 60mm 2.8D for macro (with a Nikon 120mm f/4.5 macro lens for backup). I guess when money is involved I just get paranoid. ;)

For fun I use a DSLR or film SLR and usually carry just one lens. When I'm sick of them I use a RF with a fixed lens or a RF with only one lens. If something breaks then so be it.

Simon Larbalestier
07-28-2006, 22:43
M4, M4-2, M6 and MP
all seem to compliment each other but the workhorses are the M4 for the 50's and the MP for the 35 (or 28 when i need a bit wider)

comp_wiz101
07-28-2006, 22:57
Zorki 3, and a Zorki C.... 3 has more shutter speeds and a nicer VF, and the C is smaller and more compact.

....as for the SLRs.... Pentax ME super and a K1000, one electronic manual/semi-auto & a mechanical workhorse...

Fred
07-29-2006, 00:35
A second body is always useful, certainly if you tend to shoot slide and B&W. Now if you shoot different types of things, complementary bodies work well. I guess I'm lucky that I have this choice.

Frank K
07-29-2006, 05:29
M6 and R3A, Contax N SLR, C-Lux1 and OLY 8080 - I am thinking of trading them all in except the C-Lux1 and getting a M7 - does the GAS ever end??

jdos2
07-29-2006, 05:40
I was gonna scoff, and then, on thinking about it...

2x Mamiya Universals. They are complimentary because one is a black body, the other, chrome.

Ug. 2x RB67's. Complimentary because one is the "S," one isn't.

2x working Kievs. These are to contrast to the 2x that I have that DON'T.

GAS never ends.

anabasis
07-29-2006, 05:43
While I have no duplicate bodies in any of my systems, the prevailing wisdom is that you can just grab the twin and all the controls etc are in the same place. This isn't so critical with RF and MF SLR's as there isn't too much variation, but when you get to DSLR's with varying menus and button placements, it can slow you down swtiching from body to body.

JCA

FrankS
07-29-2006, 06:22
Frank, was that a Freudian slip? I thought this was about rangefinder bodies; not spouses.... ;- )

Not a slip at all, Jan. I "re-clothed" the problem using an analogy. :)

HuubL
07-29-2006, 07:21
I've got three different LTM and three Ms. Of the Ms I have two M4s, but even they are different!! See my signature's link.

Ducky
07-29-2006, 08:18
I'm not sure how you define "complimentary bodies". I have two MG-1s, one silver, one black. I also have two Canon A35Fs and two Argus c3s. All working. I have a Fed3 on order to "compliment??" my Kiev4?
George
No, I don't know why. GAS I guess.

Rico
07-29-2006, 17:09
My complementary RFs are Leica M4 and Contax T. The M4 has robust build, great VF, lens choice, no battery dependency. The T has AE, flash, small size. Because supply is limited and repair options are few, I stockpiled two backups for my T shooter.

Gabriel M.A.
07-30-2006, 02:53
I voted in "I own complementary bodies", although I really fall in
"I own complementary bodies and similar bodies as well".

Bike Tourist
07-30-2006, 02:56
Compimentary:

One Leica M6 0.85 TTL and one Voigtlānder Bessa T.

c.poulton
07-30-2006, 03:54
I own two Leica IIIf's - one I keep at home and the other at work, so they are never taken out together. (It saves me transporting a camera to and from work whenever, and I always have something to hand when the situation arises)

FrankS
07-30-2006, 04:22
I own two Leica IIIf's - one I keep at home and the other at work, so they are never taken out together. (It saves me transporting a camera to and from work whenever, and I always have something to hand when the situation arises)

Chris, you need a third IIIf for the car! :)

RayPA
07-30-2006, 14:40
My goodness :eek: , I didn't know that I'm in a critical condition. I there any hope?

No cure as of yet, John. Suffer along with the rest of us! :)

.

RayPA
07-30-2006, 14:41
Thanks for adding the 'Complimentary and Duplicate' option. My vote is in!

:)

richard_l
07-30-2006, 15:03
No duplicates.

Rafael
07-30-2006, 15:51
"They complement each other" (Ice-age II) :)

Roland.


Nice set Roland! :D

Rafael
07-30-2006, 15:52
I just realized that I do have duplication of sorts: in 50mm RF lenses!


Aaahhh, that would be a different poll! ;)

Rafael
07-30-2006, 15:53
Thanks for adding the 'Complimentary and Duplicate' option. My vote is in!

:)


No problem. But actually, all thanks should go to Joe. He's the one who spun the magic.

Dougg
07-30-2006, 20:32
I own two Leica IIIf's - one I keep at home and the other at work, so they are never taken out together. (It saves me transporting a camera to and from work whenever, and I always have something to hand when the situation arises)Except if a situation arises on the way to or from work, surely rich with possibilities... Now Frank offers a solution to that which also satisfies RFF-related GASeous urges. But it still leaves you "uncovered" for the walk to and from the car-park, should anything interesting come into view. This is getting sticky... :)

c.poulton
07-30-2006, 22:53
Frank, Doug, I understand where you are coming from. I have indeed missed a few good shots on my way to and from work, however because I cycle to work carrying a camera is not as easy as it seems.

Dare I move over to the 'dark side' and get a digi-cam P+S so that I am fully covered at all times? (Has to be light and small to fit into my cycle bag)

pvdhaar
08-07-2006, 04:10
As complementary as it probably gets..

FED-1, Bessa-T, M4..

charlesfoto
08-07-2006, 06:26
Me, two G2s, the 45/2 on one, 90/2.8 on the other, 28/2.8 in the bag. Just picked up an M6TTL w/ 50/2 Summicron. The digital is gathering dust, sold Nikon F5. Beautiful weekend, shot 9 rolls of Reala, XP2, Delta 100. I love the RFs!!!

iñaki
08-07-2006, 11:59
I can not duplicate cameras: there are many great and interesting and different RF cameras so I prefer to have one of each. Bessa R, ISKRA, Zorki 3m... (I must have a Leica M:p )

MelanieC
08-08-2006, 15:16
I can't afford to duplicate my main RF. I do, however, have complementary fixed-lens RFs.

The only items I have a weakness for duplicating are favorite articles of clothing.

clarence
08-08-2006, 15:51
It's difficult for any amateur photographer to have duplicate bodies, unless we're talking about FSU rangefinders. I have two Zorki 4 bodies and two FED 2 bodies. It's helpful when you need the extra parts or bits and bobs when things start to break down. For my FEDs, one is always operational when the other's being serviced.

No duplicates of clothing for me. The colour has to be different, at least.

Clarence

amateriat
08-08-2006, 20:34
If you had the opportunity to marry a second person, would you choose someone exactly the same as your current spouse, or somebody different? I prefer the variety. Damn it, Frank, that remark's just begging for...something. :)
My Main Axe system comprises a pair of Hexar RFs, with a trio of M-Hex glass between them. This serves for freelance work as well as my own stuff. Out on the periphery is a Konica Auto S3 (which in its own sweet way is sort-of complementary), a Ricoh GR1, and an Olympus OM2n (which, if it doesn't behave itself, might get its ass replaced by a C8080 digicam...that's how much I'm "just not that into" SLRs anymore). Farthest out on the periphery is a Konica Lexio 70, which I regard more or less as a "35mm Holga on steroids", whatever that means... ;)


- Barrett

Stephanie Brim
08-08-2006, 20:36
I'd like another Canon P, but my budget is telling me that when it comes to bang for buck, getting one of the new R2M's would be a better idea. I may have another body within the next year, but for right now I just have the one Canon P and I'm finding it's really all I need.

narsuitus
08-13-2006, 09:55
For medium format rangefinders, I have complementary bodies.

For 35mm rangefinders, I have duplicate (backup) bodies.

ehparis
08-24-2006, 19:59
I have an M3 and M4-2. Would my Nikon S be considered a duplicate or complimentary? ;)

reagan
08-24-2006, 20:51
My main shooters...
2 Leica.3s not identical
2 Zorki.1s not identical

By using these four 90% of the time, they're close enough in layout and function that I can grab-n-shoot any one without having to stop and think, "Okay, how does this one work?" When carrying 2 [or more] they generally have various lenses.

Rafael
08-25-2006, 03:26
I have an M3 and M4-2. Would my Nikon S be considered a duplicate or complimentary? ;)


A duplicate would be same lens mount, same framelines, same viewfinder mag., same metering options (if any). Anything else would be complementary.

tkluck
08-29-2006, 07:03
Do have two Zorkis and a Fed, but that wasn't with the same intent as my having three OM bodies: OM1, OM2, and an OM20.
The OM1 is my original "good" camera.
The OM20 is used with a motor drive (where the extra noise doesn't matter) and a big honking flash bracket (my "wedding photographer" clone outfit).
And I bought the OM2 because I always wondered if I should have bought one insread of the OM1 (I now keep B&W in one, color in the other).

See, I understand the question. Trouble is I like my Fed and my Kiev both. Without a large battery of lenses compatability just doesn't matter much. That and I tend to grab eather when I realy want only one camera (if you don't count the Minox in my shirt pocket).
...realy only "need" one RF, but what the hell does this "need" stuff have to do with it anyway?

Diomedes
08-29-2006, 07:40
I voted in "I own complementary bodies”!

- Zorki-S + I-50 imitates a classic Leica III + Elmar combination
- Zorki-6 + J8 gives an impression of M2 + Sonnar combination
- Yashica 35 GTN + 45/1.7 is my substitution for a Leica CL + 40/2
- Exaktas (RTL1000) are my quasi Nikons (F)
- Iskra is an Agfa Super Isolette clone

:D

Dougg
08-29-2006, 11:41
...realy only "need" one RF, but what the hell does this "need" stuff have to do with it anyway?Exactly! And this is attitude may lead to GAS problems! :D

back alley
10-10-2006, 16:29
i have to change my vote to duplicate bodies now.

Dougg
10-10-2006, 16:44
I think my most recent is the same as your most recent, Joe, but that still doesn't allow me to claim a duplicate! :(

Sonnar2
10-10-2006, 22:25
Very similar bodies: Canon P and VII, mostly used for B&W. Bessa-R which has TTL-metering, for color film. Bessa R3M (1:1 finder) for M-mount lenses. Another great complementary should be the B4M... but probably my next camera will be the new digital Pentax SLR.... (can't afford the M8)

physiognomy
10-14-2006, 18:05
I own both duplicate (Nicca IIIS & Tower type 3) and complimentary bodies (Kiev 4, etc, etc...). At the moment I'm really liking having 2 (nearly) identical bodies that I mix & match with either focal length or film. It gives me variety/flexibility, but I don't have to think about using 2 different cameras... Consequently I haven't used too many of my other rf's for a while now.

Peter

markinlondon
10-16-2006, 04:03
I currently have an M6TTL but am looking for an M2 as a second body.

raid
10-29-2006, 16:19
I have three Zorki's, but this is where duplication ends in my RF camera set.

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/5138304-md.jpg


As Frank said it above, would you add a second woman to your life? Maybe this is an incomplete question .... ? If it had been: "If you are totally happy with whom you have, would you add another woman to your life, knowing that you will lose the current woman ? This concept applies to the situation when you must sell yourt first RF cmera to get another one. With a Zorki-4, this concept does not apply unless you are on a $30 budget for cameras.

I use my Leica M3, M6, IIIc, Standard and CL on a "fair" rotational basis. Each girl gets a shot at old me. I am a happy dude!

Raid

MoTR
10-29-2006, 16:22
I would ideally have an M2 and an MP.

edodo
11-21-2006, 14:21
Had a ol' IIIa from the 1936, got me a M4 from 1969 just now!

alexz
02-01-2007, 02:50
Currently I have a single M6 with a single 'Cron 50mm - so far serve me quite universally. However my next to 50mm focal lenghts are usually longer ones (at least from my past SLR experience) and I intend to broaden my portraiture horizons by 90mm lens, so I'll be looking for a higher magnifiaction body, presumably another Leica M6 but 0.85 or probably even M3 with x0.91 finder (if can get convinced film loading of M3 isn't much more combersome then of M6 which is quite convenient as I figured to myself).

roundg
02-01-2007, 04:11
The loading of M3 is far from a problem for me. U can get used to it in 5 mins.

OldNick
02-01-2007, 10:23
My primary RF is a Leica IIIf RD. I still have my original Leica IIIa purchased in 1952, but it is a candidate for a CLA, though will still work if needed.

Jim N.

Bingley
02-01-2007, 10:56
Complementary bodies: Canon P and 7. My fixed-lens rangefinders, though, are quite different beasts (XA and S2).

ElrodCod
03-05-2007, 06:52
I had a Bessa R & R2. I sold the R to finance asnother R2.

FrankS
03-05-2007, 07:03
I have three Zorki's, but this is where duplication ends in my RF camera set.

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/5138304-md.jpg


As Frank said it above, would you add a second woman to your life? Maybe this is an incomplete question .... ? If it had been: "If you are totally happy with whom you have, would you add another woman to your life, knowing that you will lose the current woman ? This concept applies to the situation when you must sell yourt first RF cmera to get another one. With a Zorki-4, this concept does not apply unless you are on a $30 budget for cameras.

I use my Leica M3, M6, IIIc, Standard and CL on a "fair" rotational basis. Each girl gets a shot at old me. I am a happy dude!

Raid

Sorry Raid, this is wrongly interpreted. What I meant was, if cameras were women, would you get an identical clone of your sig. other, or would you find a totally different woman more interesting, remembering that variety is the spice of life.

What this means is that after I got an M3, my second camera was not another M3, but an M2.

like2fiddle
03-05-2007, 07:38
Sorry Raid, this is wrongly interpreted. What I meant was, if cameras were women, would you get an identical clone of your sig. other, or would you find a totally different woman more interesting, remembering that variety is the spice of life.
Well, I don't know about this argument Frank. I come up with two different answers when it comes to replacing my camera and my wife. I now have two different RF bodies, a R2 and M2, and I consider them complimentary. However, I use the M2 95% of the time. I have found other cameras interesting, but not interesting enough. I would clone my M2 without a second thought; Now, regarding my sig. other, my wife...well, let's just say I've been married nearly 20 years to the same woman, and if I ever found myself in a position of having/wanting to replace her, I would not clone her but make an attempt to follow the above mantra, just to keep things more interesting.

M2 ---> clone it
spouse---> don't clone

Maybe I should have married a M2...