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laurentvenet
10-28-2004, 11:46
Hi everyone

I've received today 2 beautifull black Jupiter 8 from a nice ebay russian seller.

Lens look great (sn are 8207088 and 8207386) but when focusing, the lentgh between my camera and the subject reported on the lens scale is greater than when using my industar 61 or industar 50.

so with my mir or bessa r, when focusing with scopar 35, industar 51 or 61, I obtain about the same distance, but then with Jupiter 8, the lens scale is reporting about 0,5 m more.

Is it just a stupid lens scale and I should only be careful to what's inside my rangefinder ?

If any of you tried to compare what distance several lens can give for the same object.

Thank's to everyone !

Cheers, Laurent

pshinkaw
10-28-2004, 11:57
Soviet made mechanical components can be very inconsistent between individual specimens even though the optical portions can be quite good. The actual lens performance is more important. If your bodies work with other LTM lenses and the lens scale gives you the proper distance, I would stick with your current setting.

Give the camer and lens combination an empirical test and see if there are any apparent problems.

-Paul

peter_n
10-28-2004, 18:16
Right, in particular Laurent I would be more concerned with focusing accuracy than the distance scale inscribed on the barrel - that they focus correctly at the closest distance and at infinity. You only need those distance scales to be accurate if the camera doesn't have an internal rangefinder focusing mechanism like the Bessa L.

I am checking on the J-8's on eBay at the moment and I saw you got those two lenses at an unbelievable price. Congratulations!! :) Looking forward to the pictures!

laurentvenet
10-30-2004, 08:42
Hi Peter


Here're some tests with jupiter 8 + Bessa R and kodak 400 tx

Good look for your your ebay researches.

Thank's to everyone


Laurent

laurentvenet
10-30-2004, 08:44
another one

FrankS
10-30-2004, 08:53
I really like the 2nd one. Can you adjust the levels to make it darker? I have some Jupiter 8 shots in my gallery. (Thanks Kin.)

peter_n
10-30-2004, 09:31
Yes pretty interesting. Do you remember what aperture you took these at Laurent?

laurentvenet
10-30-2004, 09:40
Hi peter, it was 5.6 and 1 second for speed. film was kodak 400 tx and I used my NEW beautiful BESSA R. I'll be less lazy tomorrow, I won't have a nap a begin to load my gallery.

peter_n
10-30-2004, 11:31
Wow Laurent you are swimming in gear - a new Bessa & great Russian glass on the front. Enjoy! :)

laurentvenet
10-31-2004, 14:22
I've made it a bit darker for FrankS.

Happy Halloween, good night

Laurent

FrankS
10-31-2004, 16:38
Great! Works for me.

laurentvenet
10-31-2004, 22:35
Thank's Franks, you were right, it does look much better this way. I learn from your experience !

svwa
10-31-2004, 23:09
I have a Bessa R and a Jupiter 8, too.

I have adjusted the rotating "up and downgoing ring" at the back of the Jupiter 8 lins, the ring that affects the link for the rangefinder.

Before I had the right rangefinderwiew for infinte when the distancescale on the lens showed 20 m for example.

I made the adjustment in this way.
I measured with a slide-calipper on my Colour Scopar 35/2,5 the distance between lensback and the up- and downging ring
at infinte,
at 3 m
and at 1 m.
It was 7,65 mm, 6,65 mm and 5,65 mm.
At the Jupiter 8 these measures was 0,3 mm more, (7,95 , 6,95 and 5,95) so I grinded (emery cloth) away 0,3 mm from the ring that affects the rangefindersystem.
(If You do this You must cover the lens carefully with tape and cloth and do this very carefully so You donīt get metal flings in or at the lins.)
Now the "centerdistancewiew" in the rangefinder corresponds much more exactly to what the distancescale on the distandering on the lens shows.
Svante in old Sweden

laurentvenet
11-01-2004, 00:14
Well done Svante and thank's for your feedback.
I would not take the risk, I know me, whenever I unscrew an old camera, I'm sure I won't be able to remount it the same way, so for something risky like that, I'd better let it the way it is.

Could you please tell us from your photos whether it's better.

By the way, did you receive an invoice from CameraQuest ? I did not see any purchase paper or invoice within my parcel. I'm gonna ask Mr Gandy.

I saw a post of Allan using 15mm Super Wide Heliar and I'm full of hesitation, it's so tempting but I'd better wait and save money.

I'm wondering whether a 15mm lens could turn my bessa into a kind of panoramic Xpan, or russian Horizon (though horizon shots are wider than a single negative).

Cheers, Laurent

FrankS
11-01-2004, 10:51
Originally posted by laurentvenet
Thank's Franks, you were right, it does look much better this way. I learn from your experience !

We all learn from each other. I would have no time for any photographer who thinks they have nothing more to learn!

vincentbenoit
11-14-2004, 12:49
Originally posted by laurentvenet
... I used my NEW beautiful BESSA R.
Hey Laurent, where did you find a new BESSA R in France? I'm looking for one too...
Salut
Vincent

laurentvenet
11-14-2004, 13:06
salut Vincent.

Price in France or in europe are crazy, you're gonna pay something like 1000 euro for a brand new Bessa R + one 35 - 2.5 skopar lens... which I can not afford.

I've ordered at cameraquest.com (thank's to the friendly members of this great forum). Mr Gandy is serious and quick to deliver, and you'll pay 425 $ + 75 $ of shipping.

You won't find a better price.

I'm very happy of it, thought I only tried a roll of film with it.

A bientot, Laurent

vincentbenoit
11-14-2004, 13:51
Originally posted by laurentvenet
I've ordered at cameraquest.com (thank's to the friendly members of this great forum). Mr Gandy is serious and quick to deliver, and you'll pay 425 $ + 75 $ of shipping. You won't find a better price.

Thanks for the reply. I was aware of cameraquest.com, but their warning about the slow international package delivery times put me off. I guess you asked for a FedEx delivery... 75$ is a lot. How long did it take for your camera to arrive? Did you have to pay import taxes and/or custom fees?
Photovillage also have new Bessa R's for $425. They charge $30 for EMS shipping to France.
I cant wait to put my hands on one of these cameras. I intend to use it with a Jupiter-8 (the one I originally got with my Zorki) to start with, maybe I'll add a 35 later.
Thansk again and happy shooting.
Salut
Vincent

laurentvenet
11-14-2004, 14:04
Bonsoir Vincent.

I was lucky with Cameraquest as Mr Gandy did a special offer while he was away to photokina exhibition : free shipping everywhere. I then did not have to pay 75 $ which is a lot.

The parcel was sent using normal US postal service , by air, and according to the label printed on it, it costed only 15 dollars. Cameraquest does not use Fedex or anything else, it s a bit longer but you have less chance to pay a tax, as it's a normal parcel then.

It lasted about one week ( I was away from my home), and Happily I had no tax to pay.

The 35 mm Skopar is a great lens and it looks much more accurate than the russian lenses. I prefer 35 to 50, 50 is not always suitable for landscape and tourist pictures. Second hand Voightlander lenses are expansive on ebay : there was a scopar 35 which was sold these days at about 190 $... to much comparing to new prices.

The viewfinder of Bessa R is much better than any russian camera : much bigger, clearer and easier to see. It s a pleasure to shoot with it.

Bessa R is a wondeful "first entry" (don't know if this sound english) / beginning choice : not so expansive and good quality camera body.

Voila, je te souhaite une bonne soiree

Laurent

peter_n
11-14-2004, 14:16
Vincent, just in case you're trying to sneak in here unnoticed, BIENVENUE AU FORUM!! ;) :D :D

vincentbenoit
11-14-2004, 14:19
Originally posted by peter_n
Vincent, just in case you're trying to sneak in here unnoticed, BIENVENUE AU FORUM!! ;) :D :D
Hey, thanks... I'm a shy guy ;-)

peter_n
11-14-2004, 14:23
Sorry Vincent, I just had to do it... :)

laurentvenet
11-15-2004, 00:06
H again Vincent. Congratulations for your English and also for the nice pic of yours on pbase web site. I'm amazed by the B&W quality you could obtain with your digital Canon.
Is it some pics you converted from color to B&W or were they directly taken in B&w ?

Cheers, Laurent

vincentbenoit
11-15-2004, 03:11
Originally posted by laurentvenet
I'm amazed by the B&W quality you could obtain with your digital Canon. Is it some pics you converted from color to B&W or were they directly taken in B&w ?

Salut Laurent

Thanks for having a look at my pbase gallery. The B&W photos from my digital SLR were taken in colour (there's no B&W mode on my camera) but with B&W in mind. I shoot raw files which I convert to 16-bit TIFF with low saturation and contrast and process these "digital negatives" in Photoshop to achieve (or at least try to achieve) the B&W look I'm after. This approach is actually quite flexible: layering the blue, red and green channels and combining them to different amounts simulates the use of on-camera filters; the Curves tool allows precise control over the tonality of the image; and of course there are digital equivalents of traditional darkroom techniques, such as Dodging & Burning. Digital is much less forgiving in terms of exposure than B&W film, but with a dSLR the ability to select an iso value between 100 and 3200 for each frame partly compensates for that. One aspect where film is clearly superior is dynamic range. Also, digital requires a different exposure technique than B&W film: "expose for highlights, develop for the shadows", comparable to slide film. To me, film and digital are complementary media, that's why I use both. Unfortunately I hate scanning, that's why there aren't any "film" photos on my pbase website...

My Zorki works fine but I can't frame the Jupiter-8 accurately using the internal viewfinder (I wear glasses), and I find the idea of resorting to an external viewfinder a bit awkward as it defies the purpose of a compact camera in the first place. That's why I was thinking of "upgrading" to a Bessa R, essentially for the better viewfinder and the built-in meter. I've heard that the Bessa framelines can be seen very easily even with glasses, can you confirm that? Anyway, thanks for the tip about Cameraquest. I may purchase the Bessa R with the 35/2.5 lens after all - as you mentioned, this package seems to be quite a bargain.

Cheers

Vincent

Roman
11-15-2004, 06:25
Vincent,

I got the Bessa-R & 35mm Color-Skopar from Cameraquest for almost the same reason - I don't wear glasses, but parallax is an issue already w/ the 50mm lens at close distances w/ the Russian RFs' viewfinders, and it is even worse with the 85mm Jupiter and the turret finder (though it is OK for the 35mm lens). All this is solved since I got my Bessa - really convenient; I guess you should have no problems w/ glasses, since even the 35mm framelines are quite a bit smaller than the outside of the finder.

Roman

laurentvenet
11-15-2004, 10:45
HI Vincent

I also wear some glasses and I can tell you that using the Bessa R is a great pleasure.

I had a look at ebay, Cameraquest is also selling its stuff on Ebay, and it seems I was wrong concerning shipping fees for cameraquest. On ebay, only 25 $ is reported for international shipping ! Good news !

I've bought last week a Heliar 15 mm / 4.5 and it should take "a big week" to arrive from Hong Kong. I do hope nothing bad will happen.

Bonne soiree,

Laurent

vincentbenoit
11-15-2004, 12:05
Originally posted by laurentvenet
I also wear some glasses and I can tell you that using the Bessa R is a great pleasure.
Thanks for the info. I've never had a chance to handle a Bessa but I've only heard positive comments about the viewfinder.

I had a look at ebay, Cameraquest is also selling its stuff on Ebay, and it seems I was wrong concerning shipping fees for cameraquest. On ebay, only 25 $ is reported for international shipping ! Good news !
Yep, I asked Stephen Gandy today about shipping fees to France: $20 only.

I've bought last week a Heliar 15 mm / 4.5 and it should take "a big week" to arrive from Hong Kong. I do hope nothing bad will happen.
Good luck, then. 15mm is pretty wide - should be a fun lens to use. Please let us know how you like it!

Vincent