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Carterofmars
09-08-2018, 19:14
If you had to choose, M9 or M8.2?

Please explain why.

ktmrider
09-08-2018, 19:18
M9. I want the angle of view of my lenses to be the same on digital as they are on film. And the M9 is just a bit better at higher ISO's.

raid
09-08-2018, 19:19
I have M9 and M 8.2. The M9 rules. I get wide angle perspective with wide angle lens.

View Range
09-08-2018, 19:43
The M8.2 would have to be a lot cheaper than the M9. I took a lot of great pictures with my M8, but the M9 is simply a better camera.

Darthfeeble
09-08-2018, 20:00
Had both, the M9 is better by more than the money difference.

Ko.Fe.
09-08-2018, 20:13
I owned M8. M8.2 is better. I sold M8, because I already have M-E. M8 was doing the same except crop sensor and worse handling of third party batteries.
Silver M8 has very special feel. It is classic, somehow digital, but still analog camera.

M9 is still fully supported, M8 only partially.

raid
09-08-2018, 20:44
I thought the the M9 has a worse handling of third party batteries.

Takkun
09-08-2018, 21:12
I thought the the M9 has a worse handling of third party batteries.

Really? For some reason I assumed it was better than the terrible situation with the M8, but it makes sense that nothing wouldn't have changed.


If I did it again now, I'd go with the M9, with a known good sensor. M8 had the shutter and screen issues (mine had both), m9 had the sensor rot.
But the M9 has a hair more sensitivity, a few more megapixels, but you keep your wides, which can be a plus or not. And most importantly, no hot mirror filter needed. They're hard to find, pricey, and a pain to keep switching from lens to lens.

A while back I shot a wedding with the M8 and couldn't find a 39-43 step up ring anywhere (mine came with two 43mm filters, guess the previous owner was a Zeiss guy). Sensitivity and file size weren't important; it was outdoors and the couple didn't want big prints.

But man, the groomsmen were all wearing rented polyester tuxedos, and every single one looked purple. That was a LOT of editing.

I went with the M8 since, at the time, they were going at times below $1k, but the M9 was still probably around $4k+ not long after the M240 came out. Nowadays it looks like the M9 has come down a lot, but the M8.2 has come up a bit (seeing one on eBay right now for $3600.

Fjäll
09-08-2018, 21:18
I loved the M8.2. Not so much the fact that my 35mm became closer to 50mm and I had to use IR cut filters (expensive) to get the colours right.

The M9 was fantastic. Some might complain about the ISO limitations in low light but coming from film it's a luxury. One of my favorite cameras ever.

Takkun
09-08-2018, 21:24
The M9 was fantastic. Some might complain about the ISO limitations in low light but coming from film it's a luxury. One of my favorite cameras ever.

Agreed. I got soft and lazy shooting concerts with a D800 and zooms. The M8 doesn't have nearly the leeway or shadow detail, but I like to think of it like having Provia and Superia 1600 in the same camera at will, and shooting it as you would film.

Ko.Fe.
09-08-2018, 22:59
I thought the the M9 has a worse handling of third party batteries.

M8 would just lock itself if shutter fired twice in burst mode.
To unlock it, second battery would be always nessesary.
M9 is not doing this. I don't have spare battery with me for short self-assignments.

Pioneer
09-08-2018, 23:21
M3 and a scanner?


Oops, wasn't one of the options was it.

Lss
09-08-2018, 23:56
M9 has bigger files and provides the field of view you likely want. The practical image quality difference is the file size difference. There are some UI improvements, too. It is more future-proof in terms of service.

M8.2 is a bit more responsive, has better scratch resistance on the screen, is friendlier wrt third-party batteries, and allows shooting hand-held IR. It is cheaper. If your screen dies, you can’t get a new one.

jarski
09-08-2018, 23:58
10mp of M8 feels very low these days, least to me personally (and I know some here strongly object :) ).

Rayt
09-09-2018, 01:35
Unless the M9 has had a recent sensor replacement I would go for the M8.2.

jamin-b
09-09-2018, 02:32
I hardly use mine anymore, mostly because i don't want to travel with a camera with insufficient low light capability, but I still have a soft spot for the M8 (and I don't own a more recent digital Leica). There is something creamy about the b/w images that I don't see on (my) other digital cameras. And there's the plus of the occasional quasi-infrared shots with a dark red filter...

Peter_S
09-09-2018, 03:09
I owned the M8, M8.2 and now M9. The M9 is overall the better camera, no doubt, but the M8.2 has its charms. The M8/8.2 yielded double-page spreads in magazines, and a 3m-wide print on Photokina a few years ago. I did not believe much in the theory that the M8 is the better b/w camera, but now, after having used the M9, I getting there.
Would I buy the M9 again over the M8.2? Not sure. The issue is the prices. M8.2 and M9 are not much apart anymore, making the M9 a better value. I was thinking to swap back to the M8.2, but they are hard to find and I would hardly get any cash in. The M8 I would skip, the M8.2 IS more refined.

On reliability...both are not new, you take a chance either way. I needed sensor replacement twice in the M9, my M8.2 was the only M (incl. film Ms) that never needed to see Wetzlar. Go figure.

In the end - best is to get an M9 from a dealer with warranty. That is what I did, and experienced flawless service by Leica (very recent).

Fraser
09-09-2018, 03:49
I think maybe if I was wanting a cheap way int digital Rf an M8 not an M8.2 as thats too close in money to a well used M9, I still have my M9 and does everything it needs to, don't worry about high ISO its fine up to 1600 and the lenses are mostly a stop faster than 2.8 zooms so that makes it effectively 3200. I would say if you are wanting low light performance no Leica is a good buy, better off buying a Nikon df or a canon 5dmk3 for £1000 and saving the cash.

NickTrop
09-09-2018, 04:03
You must choose the camera what's right for you!

jsrockit
09-09-2018, 08:31
The M8.2 would have to be a lot cheaper than the M9. I took a lot of great pictures with my M8, but the M9 is simply a better camera.

EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS....

raid
09-09-2018, 10:29
I am now used since several years to use together the M8 and M9. They make a great pair.

Rob-F
09-09-2018, 17:53
The M8.2 framelines are sized for a 2M distance, which results in a photo very close to what you saw in the finder, except at very close distances. The M9 has framelines sized for 1M, which is most accurate at short distances; at greater distances, there will be more in the picture than in the finder frames, resulting in unwanted 'NO SMOKING" signs, "NO LEFT TURN" signs and telephone poles.

The M8.2 has the sapphire glass LCD screen; the M9 does not.

A 28mm lens gives a useful 37mm equivalent. A 21mm lens gives an accurate 28mm field, used with an accessory finder. And if you can see the framelines (eyeglass wearers need not apply), the M8.2 has a 24mm frameline, no accessory finder needed--and you get a 32mm equivalent FOV.

I guess the 47mm equivalent with the 35mm lenses is acceptable, if not particularly exciting. The 67mm equivalent of the 50mm lens is hard to know what to do with. Portraits, I guess.

To me, the inability to manually enter the lens choices is a worse deal-breaker than the crop factor.

I agree that the current used prices are incommensurate with the value of the M8.2 when compared to the M9.

Ko.Fe.
09-09-2018, 18:14
I enjoyed my economical I-69 28 2.8 on M8, as next to 35 lens. And J-12 as next to 50 lens. I really liked how they were rendering on M8. Despite of their price and noob status :).

ROOOO
09-09-2018, 19:12
If you had to choose, M9 or M8.2?

Please explain why.

M9--full frame, same as my film Ms.

raid
09-09-2018, 19:47
Full Frame is the main reason for me to favor M9 over M8.

Timmyjoe
09-10-2018, 05:34
As Raid and ROOOO mention, the full frame is what makes the difference for me. Had an M8.2 and now have an M9. After shooting an M6 for 15 years, always bothered me that the lenses I loved on film had a different field of view on the M8.2.

Do miss shooting B&W with the M8.2, not sure why the files from that camera converted to B&W with a more pleasing appearance than the ones from the M9.

Best,
-Tim

helenhill
09-10-2018, 06:41
If it was Me
my choice would beM9/M-E
thiugh I loved the B&W on the M8
the M9 will be better in the long run

Richard G
09-10-2018, 06:51
M9. Full-frame. Lovely colours. Six years on no temptation to get any of the subsequent models. I can still remember the first time I used my chrome M9-P. It was like a miracle. The miracle continues.

Bill Blackwell
09-25-2018, 14:58
Full Frame is the main reason for me to favor M9 over M8.
... other than those ridiculous IR-Cut filters and that 10+ year old 10MP sensor.