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anerjee
06-15-2018, 05:19
Watches!?! ...

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/leica-watch-l1-l2-introducing

Looks quite a bit like some of the Nomos offerings.

santino
06-15-2018, 05:34
I "hate" the idea. One step further to become a luxury brand for millionairs instead of the best maker of cameras and lenses for photographers.
Take a look at their 0.95 series of products - lighters for 800$ etc.

Phil_F_NM
06-15-2018, 05:50
So does the chronometer measure the amount of time the Leica digital camera is away for repair?
Ridiculous boutique addition for the once great marque.

Phil Forrest

Waus
06-15-2018, 06:01
a €10.000 Leica watch-and some people are asking if Leica is still relavant...?

dave lackey
06-15-2018, 06:06
Love it!

I will just wait for a replica, though.:D

dave lackey
06-15-2018, 06:09
I hope it sells very well! Like all corporations, the market is there, and Leica needs the money, it doesn't matter what they sell or how much, if it keeps them in business and moving forward, I am all for it. I cannot begrudge anyone selling boutique watches.

Now where is my lottery ticket!:p

brennanphotoguy
06-15-2018, 06:30
Not my cup of tea but if it helps their bottom line and allows them to continue producing cameras and lenses that I *do* like then I hope they all sell out on the first day.

anerjee
06-15-2018, 07:03
I'll wait till Cosina gets into this.

Love it!

I will just wait for a replica, though.:D

Archlich
06-15-2018, 07:19
I hope it sells very well! Like all corporations, the market is there, and Leica needs the money, it doesn't matter what they sell or how much, if it keeps them in business and moving forward, I am all for it. I cannot begrudge anyone selling boutique watches.

Now where is my lottery ticket!:p

To what direction would they "move forward" though? Business will always lean toward easy money. Let them get the taste of it once, and they'll never let go the feel of it.

Emile de Leon
06-15-2018, 08:00
Rolex..watch out...LOL.

dave lackey
06-15-2018, 08:23
To what direction would they "move forward" though? Business will always lean toward easy money. Let them get the taste of it once, and they'll never let go the feel of it.

Leica has been luxury all along, this is a drop in the bucket as they do, and rightly so, have a high-end market. They can not survive any other way. They know what they are doing.;)

Can I afford them? No way. But that is not their problem, it is mine alone.:D

NaChase
06-15-2018, 09:35
The red dial version looks cool. Not gonna buy it (not that I could), but it looks cool.

coelacanth
06-15-2018, 09:45
These are actually pretty serious watchmaking (relatively speaking), not some random watch with Leica logo. The movement is by a small German manufacturer, and the second-resetting complication is rather interesting. In the world of luxury watches, the price point is not that high (again, relatively speaking).

If they are serious about getting into this game, they'll probably be competing with A Lange & Sohne (semi-highend), Glashutte Original (mid), Nomos Glashutte (casual). I think their overall design language needs to be refined over a few iterations, but there is a potential, and hey Leica is not new to metal, glass, gears and springs.

Would I buy L1/L2? No. Too big for my taste and wrist, design not refined enough for what I expect from Leica, and too many competing watches in the price range. It's hard to go for this one over an ALS. Future model maybe in a few years? I won't deny the possibility.

Phil_F_NM
06-15-2018, 09:53
Leica has been luxury all along, this is a drop in the bucket as they do, and rightly so, have a high-end market. They can not survive any other way. They know what they are doing.;)

Can I afford them? No way. But that is not their problem, it is mine alone.:D

But they haven't just been luxury all along. They used to be serious tools for photographers in nearly every newsroom in the world. Not just owned by the very well-to-do, but by normal working professionals. Same goes for Rollei, an extraordinary piece of gear for the professional photographer but also serious amateurs. They abandoned the working photographer market in favor of the very well off over the past two decades. They had been passed up by Nikon and Canon back in the 1960s. They refused to innovate in time for the digital sea change and came into the game a decade late with products that didn't have the reliability for serious full time photographers who weren't independently wealthy with an arsenal of backup digital Leicas. Fuji, Sony, Nikon and Canon passed Leica generations ago in the timeline of digital capture. Leica's customer service went the way of the dodo at this time as well. I'm sorry to agree that they know what they are doing but what that is happens to be sad for those of us who like the once-great marque. What they are doing is just creating jewelry which happens to make photos.
When I can use a Leica M9 with one of two ~50mm lenses on it, both representing the high and low ends of the gear spectrum and making the same image, then something is wrong. There is no reason for my old $16 Helios 103 to perform on-par, shot-for-shot, aperture-for-aperture, against a brand new 50mm Summicron.
So they do know what they are doing. They are pricing out those of us who defend or defended their use in spite of the arcane mode of focusing and loading so we can have a quiet camera. Now, we have quiet paperweights or quietly on hold while someone at Leica tells us why our camera has been out for repair for a total of nine out of twenty-one months.
I can still afford a Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel. That's a car on the edge of executive class with very good customer service and excellent reliability. It costs the same amount as a new Leica M digital camera with a suite of three lenses. Don't even bring up the larger format Leica versions costing a significant chunk of what a decent house in Philadelphia does.
As one of the former working photographers that Leica abandoned I think the watch line is just a gross addition to their continued shift into the jewelry business.

Phil Forrest

dave lackey
06-15-2018, 10:27
But they haven't just been luxury all along. They used to be serious tools for photographers in nearly every newsroom in the world. Not just owned by the very well-to-do, but by normal working professionals. Same goes for Rollei, an extraordinary piece of gear for the professional photographer but also serious amateurs. They abandoned the working photographer market in favor of the very well off over the past two decades. They had been passed up by Nikon and Canon back in the 1960s. They refused to innovate in time for the digital sea change and came into the game a decade late with products that didn't have the reliability for serious full time photographers who weren't independently wealthy with an arsenal of backup digital Leicas. Fuji, Sony, Nikon and Canon passed Leica generations ago in the timeline of digital capture. Leica's customer service went the way of the dodo at this time as well. I'm sorry to agree that they know what they are doing but what that is happens to be sad for those of us who like the once-great marque. What they are doing is just creating jewelry which happens to make photos.
When I can use a Leica M9 with one of two ~50mm lenses on it, both representing the high and low ends of the gear spectrum and making the same image, then something is wrong. There is no reason for my old $16 Helios 103 to perform on-par, shot-for-shot, aperture-for-aperture, against a brand new 50mm Summicron.
So they do know what they are doing. They are pricing out those of us who defend or defended their use in spite of the arcane mode of focusing and loading so we can have a quiet camera. Now, we have quiet paperweights or quietly on hold while someone at Leica tells us why our camera has been out for repair for a total of nine out of twenty-one months.
I can still afford a Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel. That's a car on the edge of executive class with very good customer service and excellent reliability. It costs the same amount as a new Leica M digital camera with a suite of three lenses. Don't even bring up the larger format Leica versions costing a significant chunk of what a decent house in Philadelphia does.
As one of the former working photographers that Leica abandoned I think the watch line is just a gross addition to their continued shift into the jewelry business.

Phil Forrest

Haha! Totally understand!!!

My mistake, by "luxury", I meant high priced. In the 60s, we were lucky to have a cheap Kodak camera and Craftsman tools. A Leica? No one in my parts ever heard of the name and could not afford it anyway. It was a high-priced luxury for working folks. Craftsman tools were always much cheaper than Snap-On. Never owned Snap-On tools either.

Leica today is not the Leica of yesterday. Nothing seems to be anymore... sigh...

But if Leica were not around, it would be a dismal photographic world, IMO. So whatever they do to stay alive is fine with me. I like their products... until they break.

Heck, I cannot even afford a "professional" Nikon kit. But whatever it takes for Nikon to survive, in this world where their income is sinking, so be it.

I will stick with my little X1, my lens-less R4, and FM2n. Not sure about the 6x6 Hassy long term as medical bills keep piling up... Come to think of it, Leica never made a dime off me. LOL..:D

Always bought used...

jonal928
06-15-2018, 10:42
That's fine with me.

https://scontent.fsdv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30127816_1968834766479747_7218891996444753920_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=94f5153cbe2a44ad9b160e3668ce5fd6&oe=5BC112A3
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jonal928
06-15-2018, 10:46
Tough cookie.

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jonal928
06-15-2018, 10:49
No Words

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Huss
06-15-2018, 10:51
Tough cookie.

https://scontent.fsdv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17991020_1585209764842251_1739352657876132811_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=b0faa0367d3de69d48166dffff66697c&oe=5BBF2243
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You actually posted pic of a watch and perfume?

Good grief. Leica is doomed.

jonal928
06-15-2018, 10:56
Major Tom

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jonal928
06-15-2018, 11:01
Why are you being argumentative?

I'm Sorry For Being argumentative (I was born like that). ;)

Steve M.
06-15-2018, 12:43
You can probably buy a Russian made knockoff for $10 that keeps correct time at least twice a day. Personally, I don't care too much what Leica does to stay in or out of business. My business is keeping me in business.

With the Leica watches, which I like very much (except that the watch face is too big, and out of scale with the band), you are paying for the name and the design. Ferrari does the same thing, and the Leica looks ten times better than the much higher priced Ferrari watch.

https://www.truefacet.com/hublot-ferrari-big-bang-unico-titanium-leather-45-5mm-mens-watch.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpPqnhrjW2wIVl9dkCh0XO wYHEAQYASABEgL4R_D_BwE#email

Steve M.
06-15-2018, 12:55
This one is more for my budget, and with a different band would be sitting on my wrist right now if somebody could tell me how to tell time with it. Maybe the best design of the lot. Unfortunately, design and function seem to be miles apart. Maybe 120 miles :]

https://www.ebay.com/i/122777675832?chn=ps

santino
06-15-2018, 13:09
If I was a hipster dentist... I might bite the bullet ;)

Darthfeeble
06-15-2018, 13:31
I think it's a great idea, goes with their bags and other accessories. However, just like the cameras don't have sensor cleaning, the watches don't have Day/Date. The Leica Man can't be bothered keeping track of the day.......

Emile de Leon
06-15-2018, 13:34
The watch is big 41mm and fat 14mm..and..expensive..probably with lousy service and the Leica logo just looks plain stupid..like a fashion watch..
They should have made it thinner and smaller as its a manual wind..
The design is off too..
And..they should have put an ETA movement in there..so someone can actually service it..not some small rinky dink German mom and pop company..
There ..I said it..lol..
AL&S comparison..not even on the same planet..
Leica go home...stick to makin cameras..and servicing them in a timely manner..uhhh..sure..like that's gonna happen...
But hey..it will probably sell out..lol..

ptpdprinter
06-15-2018, 13:36
What's next? Hand bags and shoes?

jsrockit
06-15-2018, 13:50
What's next? Hand bags and shoes?

Sunglasses and perfume...

ptpdprinter
06-15-2018, 14:09
What is the attraction of a €10,000 watch that says Leica on it? Wouldn't you rather have a watch from a watchmaker, say a nice Omega?

gnuyork
06-15-2018, 14:19
I love my Leica cameras and I am a total watch nerd...but this? No thanks.

gnuyork
06-15-2018, 14:20
http://www.wiseheadproductions.com/ftp/photo/watch/PO-1-29-16-5.jpg

ptpdprinter
06-15-2018, 14:24
I think it's a great idea, goes with their bags and other accessories. However, just like the cameras don't have sensor cleaning, the watches don't have Day/Date. The Leica Man can't be bothered keeping track of the day.......
Actually, the L1 and L2 both have a date function, and the button at the 1 o'clock position is used to set it.

David Hughes
06-15-2018, 14:35
No point in getting hot under the collar about it all; other watches and cameras are available at a wide range of prices...


https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Oddments/i-pMTf6Gg/0/a2550aa2/XL/Watch%20%26%20Camera-XL.jpg


So, you pays your money and makes your choice, as we say.


Regards, David

kshapero
06-15-2018, 14:50
think I will stick with my watch.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1754/41012406340_f8364b8f1f_c.jpg

Doug
06-20-2018, 18:54
Possibly in a competitive move, Porsche Design has introduced a line of watches that undercuts Leica's pricing, only $3248! Their 70th anniversary...
http://www.thedrive.com/news/21506/porsche-reveals-new-356-inspired-timepiece-in-honor-of-70th-anniversary

"The new luxury accessory aims to embody all the sleekness and efficiency of the Porsche sports car." Hmm, which to buy?

NickTrop
07-12-2018, 06:52
... automatic watch! Leica now in the automatic watch game. Think I saw the price tag at round $11,000 US iirc. Sure. Why not? You can run around with your M-whatever, while sportin' a Leica watch. Maybe have a Leica "Members Only-like" wind breaker. Black of course, with a tasteful red dot somewhere. You'll be stylin'-n-profilin' (Wooo!) as you shoot those amazing gritty urban street scenes of the impecunious!

Me? I like automatic watches too and have a few but prefer to rock a Seiko 5 with a 7s26 movement (last forever without servicing), or a nice Orient etc. Maybe if Nikon follows suit and comes out with "a watch" I'll pick one up if the price is right and it's not a battery quartz (solar or kinetic quartzes are okay).

https://petapixel.com/2018/06/14/leica-is-now-in-the-watch-business/

https://d23x6d9cx8qezf.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Leica-L1-L2-watches.jpg

css9450
07-12-2018, 07:15
LOL "Made in Germany"? I wonder how much of it is made in Germany.



Maybe Germany is where the watchband gets attached to the watch?

Contarama
07-12-2018, 07:16
Three words...so frigging what

Disaffected old man in a bar...haha thats funny. :)

Chriscrawfordphoto
07-12-2018, 07:49
Its made in Germany. I read that the movement was made by a small German company, so its not an ETA-based watch like most Swiss ones are. Still, the price is just silly. If I had that much money to spend for a watch, I'd buy a Rolex, Omega, or Breitling. At least those brands are well known by everyone; and showing off your wealth is the reason to buy a $10,00 watch, isn't it? Waste of money if no one recognizes it was expensive!

mpaniagua
07-12-2018, 07:53
I suppose there is a market for everything. For good or bad, I dont belong to that market share but I'm sure those watches will be sold off pretty quickly.

I guess people that buy Porsche, Rolls-Royce and Lamborghini don't buy Seiko watches :)

mpaniagua
07-12-2018, 07:54
Its made in Germany. I read that the movement was made by a small German company, so its not an ETA-based watch like most Swiss ones are. Still, the price is just silly. If I had that much money to spend for a watch, I'd buy a Rolex, Omega, or Breitling. At least those brands are well known by everyone; and showing off your wealth is the reason to buy a $10,00 watch, isn't it? Waste of money if no one recognizes it was expensive!

But they wont go well with you Leica special edition :p

NickTrop
07-12-2018, 08:12
Still, the price is just silly. If I had that much money to spend for a watch, I'd buy a Rolex, Omega, or Breitling. At least those brands are well known by everyone; and showing off your wealth is the reason to buy a $10,00 watch, isn't it? Waste of money if no one recognizes it was expensive!

Well, one of the other reasons that people will spend that much on a watch is resale value. If a watch is properly serviced* it often can fetch a used price at/near or even greater than its initial price. This makes ownership in the luxury watch club virtually free after initial investment. Not sure a limited edition Leica watch will hold its resale value. Maybe. Maybe not.

Not that I am -- or ever will be, in the luxury watch club. Quite satisfied with the few Japanese automatics I own. Well made, look fine, decent build-qualitty, reasonably accurate time, cheap by automatic watch standards.


*(and one reason I'll stick with a $100-200 Seiko automatic. If/when it dies, not on the hook for $$$ servicing. When a Seiko in this price range dies -- and they have lasted me a long time, throw it out. Buy a new one. I've known a few neophite watch aficionados who get sticker shock at servicing costs for that Omega they treated themselves to 6-7 years ago. Would rather wear it despite losing a a few minutes a day than pay to have it serviced...)

Oscuro
07-12-2018, 08:43
Dears,

A darling friend of my husband's is a retired rescue pilot. He does not own a wristwatch. But you are a pilot! He says there were no less than 5 timepieces in the machine. But away from that? My cellphone, he says. There are clocks everywhere. If there are no clocks and one does not have to have one's phone at hand, then there is no need for more than sunrise and sunset.


Ciao,
Mme. Oscuro

citizen99
07-12-2018, 08:49
^ Mmm, yes. I have an early-60s Longines Conquest Automatic that was my 21st birthday prezzie. Due for a service, again, it resides in its box. For daily use it's a Sekonda automatic given to me for my 70th by one of my boys :) .

Emile de Leon
07-12-2018, 09:02
Crap watch...
Just try to get it serviced..
Buy a Rolex..
Fashion Leica watch will take a 50%+ dive on the used market ..and you probably wont be able to sell it..as no one would waste their money..
Watches are not investments..they all take a dive the min you leave the store....the only watches that can even be remotely called investments are Rolex and Patek..but they are a hard resell too unless you have the right hard to get model..and the right buyer..
This watch is too big as well...should have been made smaller..
But those who want to burn thru some dough..buy it..
Who knows..maybe it will sell out..lol..

NickTrop
07-12-2018, 09:06
Yeah -- there's no logical reason to wear a watch, especially a mechanical one. That said, I'd just as soon as a quasi-gentleman, go out in public without wearing pants than not wearing a watch. And despite keeping relatively crappy time, I prefer an automatic. Though today I'm wearing a Citizen "atomic-time" eco-drive that picks up a low frequency signal all the way from the West coast (I'm on the East coast) late at night with day/date/time info. Accurate to the second. Never has to be set (even leap years) or serviced...

... and the battery is the sun. And if that battery runs down in my lifetime, I have bigger worries than my watch not working. (The sun! It's, it's fading. Getting colder! Much colder! Darn -- now my Ecodrive watch won't charge!)

David Hughes
07-12-2018, 09:11
Hi,

Trouble is, it's an automatic watch and you have to wear them all the time or else they run down and stop and then starting them up again means fiddling with the winder and they break... Well, two or three of mine have over the years.

Regards, David

Sarcophilus Harrisii
07-12-2018, 09:35
Its made in Germany. I read that the movement was made by a small German company, so its not an ETA-based watch like most Swiss ones are. Still, the price is just silly. If I had that much money to spend for a watch, I'd buy a Rolex, Omega, or Breitling. At least those brands are well known by everyone; and showing off your wealth is the reason to buy a $10,00 watch, isn't it? Waste of money if no one recognizes it was expensive!

Yes, I am with you Chris. I will probably never own an example, but for me, the Omega Speedmaster will always be the one. It was worn on the Sea of Tranquility in 1969—nothing can ever surpass that place in history.

Steve M.
07-12-2018, 10:01
I love mechanical watches, but not the one above. In the US, many years ago we had some really beautifully designed watched from Elgin, Lord Elgin, Hamilton, Waltham, etc. I had a Hamilton that was so minimally designed you would have thought it was from Tiffany's. It was a real blast to hold it up to your ear and listen to it's ticking. Winding it up every morning was a pleasurable ritual. Then one day I dropped it while winding it, and that was that. Bought an electric Acura on eBay for $4 and have had it over 6 years now. It just keeps on going. Not as stylish, but hey, $4.

kshapero
07-12-2018, 10:10
First of all if supply is limited, then the Leica watches will be collector's items. So there. More power to them to succeed or fail. No bearing on me as I do not live in that world. Besides I have a real Leica lover's watch; an off brand Bronze cased watch that gives off PATINA with use, like a good black paint Leica.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/835/42461813215_23026b9ca8_c.jpg

Emile de Leon
07-12-2018, 10:24
I bought this one 2 years ago..for my 60th as a lark..after 30+ years of no watch..
Runs 1 to 2 sec a day..like a top..will outlive all of us..
Tough as nails..
imo..doesn't get better than this for an everyday wearer..
Service it 1x every 10 years or so..5 year warrantee..
https://i.imgur.com/O973nbg.jpg

Sumarongi
07-12-2018, 10:38
Since *Everyone [Has] Been Mispronouncing "Leica" All These Years*, I guess it's made in wicked China.
Not so incidentally, the wicked Germans *write* China like decent people on this planet do, but they *pronounce* it, wait: *Keener*.
Isn't that proof of their wickedness enough??

Bill Clark
07-12-2018, 10:38
My thoughts, a little late to the party.

I never wear a watch anymore.

My iPhone works as a watch and a myriad of other things.

Just a status symbol like so many others people can buy.

Tic-Toc.

css9450
07-12-2018, 10:43
Wise move on their part using the text "LEICA" instead of the red dot logo. Can you imagine all the Leica watch-wearing people with a little piece of black tape over the logo?

Yokosuka_Mike
07-12-2018, 11:22
My next watch is going to be the Orient Star (Epson) RK-AW0003S

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41oUiyeVHdL.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31Ejo1NPUYL.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Vxt2-YktL.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Fg6U2mxrL.jpg

Cost is about 72,500 yen here in Japan. Should be available at the Yodobashi Camera display counter on July 23rd.

Mike

Ko.Fe.
07-12-2018, 12:06
What is interesting is how nothing new, already posted topic is getting second movement :)
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165395
I'll contribute here.
Polaroid people are getting Land model tattoos, I have seen one.
Leica fe****ist will get this watch with torsend vand trouser watch wrist made from skin of poached animal.
Both groups are nothing but fetishist, except Leica knows how to milk thier muttons.
Time is money indeed :)

skopar steve
07-12-2018, 12:12
Apparently not the first foray into "Fine" watches for Leica. The new one is a steal compared to this one.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arieladams/2014/05/22/leica-camera-maker-teams-up-with-valbray-timepieces-for-100th-annniversary-watch/#6620131d425b

jkcampbell
07-12-2018, 12:54
Wise move on their part using the text "LEICA" instead of the red dot logo. Can you imagine all the Leica watch-wearing people with a little piece of black tape over the logo?

Now that's funny!

NickTrop
07-12-2018, 13:00
My next watch is going to be the Orient Star (Epson) RK-AW0003S

Now here's a man who knows from watches. That's a nice one. Love Orients!

Have one -- a cheapie. $75 I think I paid (discontinued model, major discount, etc.). Metal silver bracelet, magnifier over date, silver dial (and a not really useful manually set calendar thingie around the bezel). I think of it as a poor man's Datejust.

NickTrop
07-12-2018, 13:01
What is interesting is how nothing new, already posted topic is getting second movement :)


Figured someone already posted about this... Oh well.

jkcampbell
07-12-2018, 13:13
Hi,


Trouble is, it's an automatic watch and you have to wear them all the time or else they run down and stop and then starting them up again means fiddling with the winder and they break... Well, two or three of mine have over the years.


Regards, David

You have to wind it? That's outrageous! I once had a Leica camera and to take a picture you had to wind it too. Not just once but every time you took a photo. I heard rumors that there were some models called "double strokes" that you had to wind twice for every frame! Who would put up with such nonsense.

Sorry David, just poking fun. Seriously, if you're into high priced mechanical luxury watches you probably store them in a winder case that keeps them wound when you are not wearing it. At the very least winding and setting your watch when you switch out your Rolex for your Omega, is more than likely a dance than a chore.

I completely understand the head scratching over high priced watches. It's pretty hard to justify. I've had my Rolex for over 40 years and it's become a part of my everyday life and I wouldn't trade it for anything. Just like I wouldn't trade my Leica M10 for a more feature rich and less expensive camera. Sometimes we all just succumb to our addictions.

Only time will tell if a Leica will make it in the stratosphere of luxury watches.

Cheers, jc

MCTuomey
07-12-2018, 13:16
Nice looking watch - elegant, simple yet strong lines, understated. I like the Orient Star shared above too, softer lines, less assertive than the Leica.

I was told recently that it's a mark of status to forego carrying a mobile phone and simply wear a high-end wristwatch.

sepiareverb
07-12-2018, 13:39
I suppose bicycles should be next in the "cheap X is better than expensive Y" threads?

ptpdprinter
07-12-2018, 14:00
I was told recently that it's a mark of status to forego carrying a mobile phone and simply wear a high-end wristwatch.
People say the darnedest things. Fortunately, you can choose which ones to believe, which ones to disbelieve, and which ones simply to ignore.

David Hughes
07-12-2018, 14:39
Sorry David, just poking fun. Seriously, if you're into high priced mechanical luxury watches you probably store them in a winder case that keeps them wound when you are not wearing it. At the very least winding and setting your watch when you switch out your Rolex for your Omega, is more than likely a dance than a chore....



Cheers, jc


Interesting, thanks; I'd not heard of them but as I use a boring, ordinary watch or two these days I've not looked at solutions to the problem recently. That's "recently" relative to the 50 or 60 years since I started with a serious watch.


Regards, David

Paul T.
07-12-2018, 15:05
My Heuer Carrera cost the price of an M6 when I got it and is worth two or three of them now. And I use it every single day, unlike my Leica.

It's great they make the movement themselves. A company making something of quality and actually producing it somewhere other than a Chinese sweatshop is to be applauded, even if it's way out of my reach.

Tompas
07-12-2018, 15:38
A darling friend of my husband's is a retired rescue pilot. He does not own a wristwatch. But you are a pilot! He says there were no less than 5 timepieces in the machine. But away from that? My cellphone, he says. There are clocks everywhere. If there are no clocks and one does not have to have one's phone at hand, then there is no need for more than sunrise and sunset.

Yes, exactly, your friend is absolutely right. I stopped wearing a watch a very long time ago.

Chriscrawfordphoto
07-12-2018, 17:01
Nice looking watch - elegant, simple yet strong lines, understated. I like the Orient Star shared above too, softer lines, less assertive than the Leica.

I was told recently that it's a mark of status to forego carrying a mobile phone and simply wear a high-end wristwatch.

What about guys like me who don't own a smartphone but wear relatively cheap watches? I have a Seiko quartz chronograph my dad bought me as a high school graduation gift 24 years ago. It cost him $400 back then.

David Hughes
07-13-2018, 01:19
Another problem is that these watches (well, all of them) need servicing from time to time. Do it by the book and so on and the initial price doesn't really matter.

OTOH, few people bother to get things serviced by the book or, worst of all, think they can do it themselves...

Regards, David

Roger Hicks
07-13-2018, 02:22
Still wearing the Omega Seamaster 30 that my father bought me for my 18th birthday 50 years ago. He bought it in the PX in Bermuda: in those days, it was just $28. A strap costs more than that now!

Yes, it's had a few services and one new mainspring. Needs another service/ repair now: the winder is getting a bit stiff. I find it much easier to glance at my wrist than to carry a large, flat electronic device out of my pocket and pull it out if I want to know the time.

Cheers,

R.

mcfingon
07-13-2018, 02:33
You have a point about pulling electronic devices out of your pocket Roger. I did that on the train to Athens airport recently and someone noticed that and subsequently "liberated" it out of my pocket without me being aware of it. It was an iPhone that cost me $1200 to replace in Australia, so it would have been cheaper to wear an inexpensive wristwatch.

grouchos_tash
07-13-2018, 02:50
+1 on the Seiko 5, I've have a couple that I wore for years but now I wear a Fitbit Charge 2 and I'm surprised how much I've taken going from mechanical to digital ;)

If I was going to buy an 'expensive' watch I would go with a Nomos

besk
07-13-2018, 03:47
I don't have my watches serviced when they break. I just purchase a new one. Timex digital watches are about $15.00 US at "big box" stores. I do save from the trash my black Nylon band though.

Keith
07-13-2018, 04:27
The closest I am to owning a watch is the cool looking dial on my Epson RD1 ... that was supplied by Seiko I heard recently?

Hadn't realised that!

NickTrop
07-13-2018, 04:35
Still wearing the Omega Seamaster 30 that my father bought me for my 18th birthday 50 years ago. He bought it in the PX in Bermuda: in those days, it was just $28. A strap costs more than that now!

Yes, it's had a few services and one new mainspring. Needs another service/ repair now: the winder is getting a bit stiff. I find it much easier to glance at my wrist than to carry a large, flat electronic device out of my pocket and pull it out if I want to know the time.

Cheers,

R.

A classic! Nice, nice --especially a vintage one. THAT is the father-son tradition. Are fathers today going to pass down "cell phones" from generation to generation? I wanted to get my son who's turning 21 in a couple months a nice watch. He has zero interest. Doesn't even understand why people still wear them.

ruby.monkey
07-13-2018, 05:42
Still wearing the Omega Seamaster 30 that my father bought me for my 18th birthday 50 years ago. He bought it in the PX in Bermuda: in those days, it was just $28. A strap costs more than that now!

Yes, it's had a few services and one new mainspring. Needs another service/ repair now: the winder is getting a bit stiff. I find it much easier to glance at my wrist than to carry a large, flat electronic device out of my pocket and pull it out if I want to know the time.

Cheers,

R.
Nice. I have a Tag Heuer 2000, given to me as a 21st birthday present. 27 years later it's still going strong.

I may have to replace it in my next life.

Lss
07-13-2018, 06:18
Like the design, can't afford the watch.

Roger Hicks
07-13-2018, 06:27
. . . I wanted to get my son who's turning 21 in a couple months a nice watch. He has zero interest. Doesn't even understand why people still wear them.

Dear Nick,

Oh, dear. That's sad. Never mind. He's got a father who loves him enough to want to do it, anyway.

Cheers,

R.

Roger Hicks
07-13-2018, 06:31
Nice. I have a Tag Heuer 2000, given to me as a 21st birthday present. 27 years later it's still going strong.

I may have to replace it in my next life.

It's a bugger getting it from one incarnation to the next, though.

Much easier for incarnate lamas. Incidentally, HH Dalai Lama repairs watches as a hobby. Or at least he used to repair them -- haven't talked to him in decades (I wrote a biography of him in the early 1980s).

Cheers,

R.

raid
07-13-2018, 08:08
Does it come along with a Leica M10+lens? Maybe this is the deal?
There used to be a Leica lens (was it the 800mm/6.3?) for over $ 30,000, but it came with a (new) VW Fox!

David Hughes
07-13-2018, 11:06
Still wearing the Omega Seamaster 30 that my father bought me for my 18th birthday 50 years ago. He bought it in the PX in Bermuda: in those days, it was just $28. A strap costs more than that now!

Yes, it's had a few services and one new mainspring. Needs another service/ repair now: the winder is getting a bit stiff. I find it much easier to glance at my wrist than to carry a large, flat electronic device out of my pocket and pull it out if I want to know the time.

Cheers,

R.

Hi,

You are lucky, mine was stolen years ago; my wife's one failed and after trying to get someone to repair it I gave up (no parts they all said) and my replacement Geneve failed a while ago and I thought here we go again and gave up on it. Then I got a nice, neat Sekonda but it didn't survive the washing machine...

So now I'm down to a Longines and am wondering what disaster will hit it now I've mentioned it.

Regards, David

raid
07-13-2018, 11:56
Which model Longines do you have, David? Mine is a gold plated Quartz model with no numerals.

David Hughes
07-13-2018, 14:54
Which model Longines do you have, David? Mine is a gold plated Quartz model with no numerals.


I've no idea, sorry Raid.

It's skinny, quartz and has no numerals. Probably gold plated but a SS back. The Sekonda is/was the opposite, numbers, clockwork and so on. They were a good pair to consider each morning...

Regards, David

Yokosuka_Mike
07-13-2018, 15:07
Still wearing the Omega Seamaster 30 that my father bought me for my 18th birthday 50 years ago. He bought it in the PX in Bermuda: in those days, it was just $28. A strap costs more than that now!

Yes, it's had a few services and one new mainspring. Needs another service/ repair now: the winder is getting a bit stiff. I find it much easier to glance at my wrist than to carry a large, flat electronic device out of my pocket and pull it out if I want to know the time.

Cheers,

R.

In the late ‘80s I bought an Omega Seamaster and Speedmaster at the China Fleet Club in Hong Kong. A few years ago I had them overhauled at the Omega Service Center in Ginza, Tokyo. My goodness, it cost almost as much as I originally paid for them to get them serviced. If it wasn’t for their sentimental value I’d probably sell them for a small fortune.

As for taking a flat electronic device out of the pocket being more trouble than looking at ones wrist; my observation of the general public is that the smart phone never leaves their hand. Most people have the damned things glued to their hand and fixed in front of their face permanently.

All the best,
Mike

raid
07-13-2018, 15:10
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/4GMAAOSwr7ZW35Na/s-l200.jpg
This looks like my watch.

Chriscrawfordphoto
07-13-2018, 15:20
A classic! Nice, nice --especially a vintage one. THAT is the father-son tradition. Are fathers today going to pass down "cell phones" from generation to generation? I wanted to get my son who's turning 21 in a couple months a nice watch. He has zero interest. Doesn't even understand why people still wear them.


My 21 yr old son is the same way. I tried to buy him a nice watch a few yrs ago and he told me watches were a waste of money.

Baby of Macon
07-13-2018, 15:40
I'm surprised at the negativity / antipathy towards nice watches. A well made mechanical watch is an absolute pleasure to wear, to own, to contemplate and it even tells the time too. And a good watch is one of the relatively few long term purchases in an increasingly disposable world. Properly chosen, a watch will appreciate. And even badly chosen, a quality watch will mostly depreciate initially and then plateau in value.

NickTrop
07-13-2018, 16:17
I'm surprised at the negativity / antipathy towards nice watches. A well made mechanical watch is an absolute pleasure to wear, to own, to contemplate and it even tells the time too.

^ Gets it. As I said. I'd sooner go outside without pants than without a mechanical watch (though of the several I own, I do own one Citizen Ecodrive quartz solar...)

NickTrop
07-13-2018, 16:19
Dear Nick,

Oh, dear. That's sad. Never mind. He's got a father who loves him enough to want to do it, anyway.

Cheers,

R.

Thank you. Tough "kid" to buy for. I actually prefer the old, classic vintage Omegas to the newer ones.

samuelphoto
07-13-2018, 18:28
I am not a watch snob. My totally reliable Casio dive watch cost me $40. And I get all kinds of compliments on it too!

julio1fer
07-13-2018, 19:27
I'll rather wait for a Rolex RF.

Mark J
07-13-2018, 19:53
Alas: My Rolex oyster perpetual purchased new in 1972 for $150.00 in Geneva is in need of service. The leica's need service about every 15-20 years and the Rolex has been neglected. A mechanical watch is a pleasure to use and forget about batteries. The Rolex is a boy's watch, small, black face and not ostentatious. Love the mechanical world.

Chriscrawfordphoto
07-13-2018, 21:48
I suppose there is a market for everything. For good or bad, I dont belong to that market share but I'm sure those watches will be sold off pretty quickly.

I guess people that buy Porsche, Rolls-Royce and Lamborghini don't buy Seiko watches :)


Seiko makes a line of high end mechanical watches called Grand Seiko that cost as much as a Rolex. They're said to be better than many Swiss watches. I'd buy one if I could afford it, just to be a contrarian. Also, I really like Seiko watches. They're incredibly good and, aside from the Grand Seikos, very affordable.

raydm6
07-14-2018, 04:01
What's next? Hand bags and shoes?


Nah... just a lighter (https://www.leicastoremanchester.com/st-dupont-095-lighter.html) :D


https://static.webshopapp.com/shops/217745/files/147297083/800x700x2/st-dupont-095-lighter.jpg

raydm6
07-14-2018, 04:05
I admit to enjoying a fine cigar now and then and have a small collection of lighters but nothing fancy. Lighter bling pics? :cool::D

Roger Hicks
07-14-2018, 04:51
I am not a watch snob. My totally reliable Casio dive watch cost me $40. And I get all kinds of compliments on it too!

Dear Samuel,

I'm not a watch snob either. That's why I'm still wearing the $28 watch my father bought me 50 years ago.

No-one notices it, either. Which is the way it should be. It ain't bling. It's just a good, fairly accurate watch.

Cheers,

R.

raydm6
07-14-2018, 05:31
Budget or low-maintenance watches have their virtues. I have a few.

But, I just sent my Omega Speedmaster Pro off for repair (broken mainspring and due for service anyway).

Service Bill = $750 USD. Ouch! It goes with the territory. Probably take a few months to get it back.

Roger Hicks
07-14-2018, 05:48
Budget or low-maintenance watches have their virtues. I have a few.

But, I just sent my Omega Speedmaster Pro off for repair (broken mainspring and due for service anyway).

Service Bill = $750 USD. Ouch! It goes with the territory. Probably take a few months to get it back.
Good grief! New mainspring and general service for my Seamaster, well under 100€.

Some years ago, an acquaintance told me where the local jewellers get their repairs done (about 15-20 miles away in St. Varent). I've gone there ever since for both watch and jewellery repairs.

Cheers,

R.

David Hughes
07-14-2018, 06:03
https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/4GMAAOSwr7ZW35Na/s-l200.jpg
This looks like my watch.

Hi,

More or less like mine but mine has a white face and is circular. I'd snap it for you but my wife's phone broke and I gave her mine as it was an excuse to get rid of it. I hate mobile phones as they remind me of work and not being able to escape the office at lunchtime. And they weighed a ton then...

Regards, David

jonal928
07-14-2018, 06:07
V Day

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David Hughes
07-14-2018, 06:07
Thank you. Tough "kid" to buy for. I actually prefer the old, classic vintage Omegas to the newer ones.


Yea, but my idea of classic has a black face and a broad arrow on it; meaning Govt. issue. I looked at the current prices once and nearly fainted; especially after paying two pounds for the trusty Sekonda and three for the failed, posher Omega...

Regards, David

jgrainger
07-15-2018, 17:08
I'm a little amused by this whole leica watch thing. It's not like the price is at the top of the pile but for that amount you're still in nice watch territory. The lower echelons/ used examples of brands like Rolex, JLC, and Zenith spring to mind (though it may be 10 years since I priced them up)..

One of the Rolex ladies watch movement calibres is (or a few years ago was) actually one of the most accurate mechanical wrist watches produced, statistically speaking and contradictory to the usual correlation between the size of the balance wheel and accuracy - seemingly a discovery by one of the chronometer testing places.. vs a leica watch, lol.

And the size of the leica watch.. seems a common trend nowadays.. but I don't have a problem with leica branching out into other industries.

Think I'll continue to knock about with a pretty grim looking Mido multifort, bumper automatic - small, or a ladies size as that suits my thin wrists.

Regards,

Jonathan