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dribelin
04-21-2018, 09:53
I hate that this is my first post to the forum, but I've been around reading for a while and generally appreciate the advice given out to folks.

With that said, I'm looking for some advice on what camera/lenses to buy. My wife inherited a M6ttl a while back and I've been using it for about a year now and love it. Unfortunately, her family has decided to sell the photography equipment which also includes:

Noctilux f1
90 Summicron APO
50 Lux V2
50 Elmar
28 Summicron ASPH

My wife is generously allowing me to keep her half of the money raised for new camera gear. While I know this is a very personal decision, I'm struggling to guide my thoughts along a single path. I'm not entirely, but mostly, opposed to digital, though I do sometimes consider the Q. I own an M3 and a CV35 that I will keep. Unfortunately, this sale will leave me without lenses for the M3 or a camera for the CV.

I'm and leaning towards another M6, but also considering an MP. I mostly use my 50s and 35, but the 90 does get a fair amount of use as well. I want to stay with the Leica brand for cameras, but not necessarily lenses if it makes sense.

Sorry if I've been a bit wordy, but any advice on what direction to take would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Austin

rfaspen
04-21-2018, 10:27
So you have been playing with a Noctilux, summilux, AA 90 summicron, and 28 cron? Now you have to give it all back?

Can you quietly leave the country?

Just considering all the options here..... :)

Fraser
04-21-2018, 11:05
But do you not still have the M6ttl? and rather than your wife getting money from the sale can she not just have a lens?

Out to Lunch
04-21-2018, 11:14
Sorry to say that your post/request for advice is as clear as mud. Perhaps you'd want to rephrase it.

dribelin
04-21-2018, 11:27
But do you not still have the M6ttl? and rather than your wife getting money from the sale can she not just have a lens?

I've brought up selling some lenses and paying my wife's family for a few items I'd like to keep, but due to the potential issues that can arise when dealing with money and family, I've been "advised" that we need to sell everything.

Sorry to say that your post/request for advice is as clear as mud. Perhaps you'd want to rephrase it.

Peter, I do tend to get a little wordy. Bottom line, I have to sell all the stuff my wife inherited, but I get to use 1/2 the proceeds to buy more (partially replace) camera gear. I'm struggling to decide what camera/lens combo to purchase. M6/MP/Q, digital/film, etc? Folks on the forum have experience with far more equipment than I, so was looking for everyone's thoughts.:bang:

Fraser
04-21-2018, 11:39
Ah I see could get complicated!
Good luck I've no idea.

ptpdprinter
04-21-2018, 11:52
I'd probably let your family handle the sales and stay altogether out of it. Hard feelings can occur, particularly if someone decides they could have gotten more for an item than you paid for it. If you don't want to follow that advice, I'd buy the 50mm Summicron for your M3.

Out to Lunch
04-21-2018, 12:02
Now I understand. On digital vs. analogue: it all depends on your preferences. No one can give you a definite answer. Some issues to consider: is 35mm film/developing/scanning easily available at a reasonable cost?

Digital may seem the easier/cheaper way to go but consider whether or not your computer, software, monitor, and printer are up to par. If not calculate the cost of the necessary upgrades.

On analogue cameras: the M6 is great -you are familiar with it, and if you have to consider cost, the MP does not offer incredible advantages.

On lenses: Leica glass is often but not always superior while it is always much more expensive than the competition. Voigtlander and Zeiss-Ikon lenses are good at a lower price point.

On digital: I believe the Leica Q is very expensive. You'd be able to find similar quality with brands like Fuji, Panasonic and Olympus to name a few.

Good luck!
Cheers, Peter

BillBingham2
04-21-2018, 12:22
My head hurts from trying to get a handle on this.

No clear answers, lots of questions.

Not sure how much you are getting and how much the Elmar is going for. One part of me says sell the CV and fund the purchase to keep one part of what the family had.

They should give you a deal on the Elmar, but each family is different.

B2 (;->

skopar steve
04-21-2018, 12:25
Staying out of the sale is good advice, but it would be a tragedy if the gear goes for less than your willing to pay. It's hard to give advice on what you should get without knowing how much you have to work with.

Phil_F_NM
04-21-2018, 15:02
With half of what that sale will get you should be able to easily find near perfect optics in good user lenses.
Here's what I might do if I really liked those focal lengths; get a mint 90mm Elmarit, a mint 50mm DR Summicron and a good 35mm viewfinder for your CV lens if you want to keep that lens. If you're spoiled by shooting with two bodies now, find a user M2. You'll probably still be under budget with all that gear to afford a bunch of film.

Phil Forrest

Ko.Fe.
04-21-2018, 15:05
OP is clear as mud to me...

I would buy Noctilux f1.

jsrockit
04-21-2018, 15:33
Bottom line, I have to sell all the stuff my wife inherited, but I get to use 1/2 the proceeds to buy more (partially replace) camera gear. I'm struggling to decide what camera/lens combo to purchase. M6/MP/Q, digital/film, etc? Folks on the forum have experience with far more equipment than I, so was looking for everyone's thoughts.:bang:

It will be a lot of cash after the sale no? Free cash?

First, buy a nice gift for your wife. Then buy the Q, a M6, and whichever lens you need for the M3 (50mm Planar / CV Nokton 1.5 on the cheap end, something Leica on the more expensive side). If you have leftover... buy another lens for the M6.

creenus
04-21-2018, 15:44
Phil's reply below seems very reasonable. I imagine it would take some time to sell that gear, and being an in-law thing, depends on the price expectations of the seller. It's great that your wife will give you some cash for camera gear.

For film, I personally like the M2 - very simple and basic and can handle the 35mm you have. I also like the M6 Classic - the metering is really useful.

For digital you can get a DSLR kit with a zoom lens. Canon has the new Rebel 7 and Nikon has the D5600. Both are DX format and are rated highly at about 24 gigabytes. I have the D5600 with a Nikkor 50mm f1.8, a lens that acts as a short telephoto in the DX format, and I like it a lot. I got mine used for $550. Of course, you may prefer the digital rangefinder format, and the Q is a dandy, I hear.

Good luck in your decision, and keep us posted.

Best regards,

Steve in New Mexico


With half of what that sale will get you should be able to easily find near perfect optics in good user lenses.
Here's what I might do if I really liked those focal lengths; get a mint 90mm Elmarit, a mint 50mm DR Summicron and a good 35mm viewfinder for your CV lens if you want to keep that lens. If you're spoiled by shooting with two bodies now, find a user M2. You'll probably still be under budget with all that gear to afford a bunch of film.

Phil Forrest

jaapv
04-21-2018, 18:01
Get your family to put the stuff on eBay and join the bidding. That way nobody can accuse you of taking advantage.

raid
04-21-2018, 18:15
How large of a sum will you have access to?
I am "basic" in my suggestion: M6 + 50/2 Summicron.
There are many other options, of course.

dribelin
04-21-2018, 19:14
Thank you all for the thoughtful responses. It's definitely helping me gather my thoughts a bit better on a way forward.

I'd probably let your family handle the sales and stay altogether out of it. Hard feelings can occur, particularly if someone decides they could have gotten more for an item than you paid for it. If you don't want to follow that advice, I'd buy the 50mm Summicron for your M3.

I agree with this advice, but unfortunately, the rest of the family doesn't really even know where to start to come up with prices or to sell the equipment. They have asked that I take care of the sales, but I plan on telling them to do a bit of research so they get an idea of the anticipated sales prices. What makes it even more painful is that i just had Youxin Ye perform a CLA and an MP finder/window upgrade on the M6.

With half of what that sale will get you should be able to easily find near perfect optics in good user lenses.
Here's what I might do if I really liked those focal lengths; get a mint 90mm Elmarit, a mint 50mm DR Summicron and a good 35mm viewfinder for your CV lens if you want to keep that lens. If you're spoiled by shooting with two bodies now, find a user M2. You'll probably still be under budget with all that gear to afford a bunch of film.

Phil Forrest

Phil, this advice spoke to me. I have become quite used to two cameras, but I do like the idea of a 50/35 with the M3/2 combo without other lens choices. I definitely like having the meter in the M6, but there is something freeing to go meterless.

How large of a sum will you have access to?
I am "basic" in my suggestion: M6 + 50/2 Summicron.
There are many other options, of course.

Raid, I'm not exactly sure what the total value is, but I think that between the camera and lenses, maybe around 10-12K. My wife (me) would get half of it. I've tried to guesstimate and have discounted from Ebay (which always seems high) and KEH, BH, etc. I could also be way off on my estimate, so please don't hesitate to correct me if I'm high.

Thanks again for all the comments.

benlees
04-21-2018, 21:50
Confused. If your wife inherited the M6 why does this need to be sold?

Finding prices for Leica is relatively straightforward- avoid ebay. Keh, Igor's camera (both US), there's a couple of London based Leica shops, quite a few European resellers. An hour on the 'net should give an accurate window.

d_c
04-22-2018, 04:29
If you take the equipment to a known reseller and get it valued then IME you will probably get two figures back. The first (lower) value will represent a clean sale to the reseller which will be roughly half their shop window price. The second (higher) value will represent the value achieved on commission, i.e. approx 80% of the resale price on the basis that you still own it if it doesn't sell, but that they charge 20% to sell it in your behalf. This second value is what you need to work with.

If you can get a valuation done like this then you would be able to quickly work out what the each item of equipment will realise and what the overall value of the collection is. It should then be a simple matter of offering the family the equivalent of the commission values on the bits you can afford.

The case you can make to the family for this is that they would get no more money by selling it to the reseller, and at least some of the equipment would stay in the family for photography.

The case you can make to yourself is that by buying the equipment at reseller cost price you will get more for your money.

You only have to decide what you want to keep and can afford.

retinax
04-22-2018, 05:16
If you take the equipment to a known reseller and get it valued then IME you will probably get two figures back. The first (lower) value will represent a clean sale to the reseller which will be roughly half their shop window price. The second (higher) value will represent the value achieved on commission, i.e. approx 80% of the resale price on the basis that you still own it if it doesn't sell, but that they charge 20% to sell it in your behalf. This second value is what you need to work with.

If you can get a valuation done like this then you would be able to quickly work out what the each item of equipment will realise and what the overall value of the collection is. It should then be a simple matter of offering the family the equivalent of the commission values on the bits you can afford.

The case you can make to the family for this is that they would get no more money by selling it to the reseller, and at least some of the equipment would stay in the family for photography.

The case you can make to yourself is that by buying the equipment at reseller cost price you will get more for your money.

You only have to decide what you want to keep and can afford.

Seconded. I'd just suggest offering a bit more than what the reseller would pay, perhaps half the difference, that way the family also benefits from doing it this way and not only you, less likely to cause bad feelings.
Unless your wife's family has been really complicated, selling the things you actually want to someone else seems overkill just to avoid potential issues. Just make sure to get price estimates in the presence of all parties concerned and that everything leaves a paper trail because people quickly forget how things went.
As to what to keep, only you can decide really. Personally, I'd sell the Noctilux or other extremely precious things because I'd be too worried about their value to use them. Digital vs. film of course has been discussed to death and is again something only you can decide. If you haven't missed digital so far, maybe just stick with film?

rfaspen
04-23-2018, 13:37
I remain confused, but I'm suspicious of the whole process of "family" and inheritance, and the implied concepts of maximizing monetary value, etc. Every family is different, but I just cringe at some of the scenarios I can envision. And, some of that is hinted at in the confusing OP.

I'm hoping that you have received the M6TTL free and clear. That is a really nice film M body (happens to be the only film M I would actually buy today).

While it would be wonderful to receive some or all of the lenses that were listed in the OP, I worry that any maneuvers to "buy" one or more of them for yourself could trigger some of the family scenarios I mentioned above. So I guess it would be best to practice the Buddhist detachment and let the lenses go. Let the family do whatever they will with them and leave you out of it all.

If by some lucky circumstance you could have a couple of the lenses listed in the OP, I think the summilux 50 and summicron 28 are good all-around choices and excellent lenses.

Godfrey
04-23-2018, 16:52
Dealing with a partner or spouse's family when it comes to settling estate matters is something I would say well away from. That gear doesn't belong to you, evidently your wife is only its custodian until the rest of the family weighs in ... so just forget about that. Forget about money from it too until a windfall comes "as if by accident."

So, with that said: you have an M3 body and you have a CV35 lens. Of course you know you can use those two together, just buy a 35mm optical finder and stick it on top of the M3 if you like that body.

Personally, I never really liked the M3 and prefer the M4-2 or M4-P in a meterless body, or the M6 for a metered body. I'd sell the M3 and buy one of those. Then you don't need an auxiliary finder for the 35mm lens. Then I'd add a Summicron 50mm lens to what I had and go out, take pictures. An M with 35 and 50 lenses is just about perfect.

Film vs digital? Eh, .... whatever. I use an M-D body about 10,000% more frequently than my M4-2, but I'm not selling my M4-2 either. Whatever you like is all that matters. Nothing to debate about. But if I were buying a digital body in your situation, I'd buy an M-D in a heartbeat. That's my favorite M body of all. It's exactly like using an M6 (M7 actually, because it has auto-exposure if you want to use it) but produces raw image files rather than consumes film. Best of both worlds: all the simplicity of a film M without the cost and tedium of buying and processing film. Just charge up the battery every 400-500 shots and make photographs.

G

Bingley
04-23-2018, 17:12
Based on your original post, I'd say one option is pretty simple:

Use your share of the proceeds from the sale to buy another M6, which you've said you really like. The CV 35 goes on that camera. Then buy a nice 50 and/or 90 for your M3, assuming you want to keep that camera. Done. I'd recommend deferring consideration on the Leica Q. Godfrey has a good suggestion if you want to try digital Leica.

mpaniagua
04-23-2018, 17:16
Dealing with a partner or spouse's family when it comes to settling estate matters is something I would say well away from. That gear doesn't belong to you, evidently your wife is only its custodian until the rest of the family weighs in ... so just forget about that. Forget about money from it too until a windfall comes "as if by accident."

...
G

Highly agree with Godfrey.

Was in a similar situation with my late father's cameras.


I came to an agreement with my brothers (3) and my mother. But my brothers wives just think I cheated (which I didn't. Researched a fair price for the equipment and paid that to my mother. What she did to the money is her business not mine).

Family business are dangerous. I wouldn't take a cent from your wife share. Too dangerous, especially if you value family ties.


With that on mind, and if your relatives warm to you (like some bonus for helping them with the sale :), I would go the MP-4 or M6 routes. Seems you like the M6. I mostly use those too, great cameras. Have one with 400 film (M6 most of the time) and the other with 100 film.

For lens, VC lens are great.

Marcelo

mpaniagua
04-23-2018, 17:33
Another option is to propose your wife relatives to allow your wife to keep the M6 and 50 Lux. I would think the rest of the lens will get them more than half the total sale price of the lot.

If you are used to the M6 and it has been CLA, I would try to keep that camera at least.

Also, if you keep the item instead than the cash, you keep face in front of the family :)

Keeping and using your wife money could get frowned on, while keeping the camera will create the idea it went to a nice home.

Best regards

Marcelo

dribelin
04-23-2018, 19:29
Thanks to all. This feedback is exactly what I was looking for; something that would help me distance myself from the process. At the request of my sister-in-law, I've provided a list of estimated prices (lowest price found and highest price found) for her to review and come up with her own thoughts and estimates. Based on some thoughtful advice from all of you, it's now out of my hands unless explicitly asked for help.

Also, as generous as my wife is being by offering me her half of the proceeds, I'm starting to agree that using it to purchase more equipment could create tension.... but maybe just one 50mm for the M3 wouldn't ruffle too many feathers.:D

Thanks,

Austin

Steve M.
04-23-2018, 20:25
Since you like film, that makes it easier. Buy a nice camera and lens or two of your choice, and put the rest into film. You can also buy darkroom stuff for a song if you look carefully these days, so that would be my other recommendation. I wasted 10 years sending out stuff to be developed, and then printed the negs on inkjets myself. When you develop your own film and print your photos w/ your own equipment, it's a totally different level of photography. No need for a darkroom either, a dark garage or even a bathroom or bedroom work fine.

Don't forget to take your wife somewhere w/ some of the money, or buy her something special. A small donation to an animal rescue place would be nice too.

noisycheese
04-23-2018, 20:48
... My wife inherited a M6ttl a while back and I've been using it for about a year now and love it. Unfortunately, her family has decided to sell the photography equipment which also includes:

Noctilux f1
90 Summicron APO
50 Lux V2
50 Elmar
28 Summicron ASPH...So let me see if I understand this -
First off: Your wife inherited the M6, which means it is hers to keep. Is that correct?
Secondly: The family has decided to sell the five lenses which you list, meaning those were not inherited by your wife, correct?

What makes it even more painful is that i just had Youxin Ye perform a CLA and an MP finder/window upgrade on the M6.If your wife actually inherited the M6 and it is hers to keep, the CLA and upgrades to the M6 are not an issue.

If your wife did not actually inherit the M6 and the family expects it to be sold, you have money invested in the M6. The first step should be to make certain the family commits to reimburse you for the cost of the CLA and MP finder upgrade, if they insist that the M6 be sold. I do not know what Mr. Ye charged you, but the cost to do the same work to my M4-P 10 years ago was $600 USD, which is not pocket change. The work you paid for on the M6 will cause it to sell at a higher price than a straight M6 TTL would go for; no way should you be expected to eat the cost of the CLA and MP finder upgrade.

If you want to keep the M6, call around to Leica dealers and get an accurate estimate of what the retail price of the camera would be based on its condition and serial # - with the CLA and viewfinder upgrade. Subtract the price you paid for Mr. Ye's work and tell the family that is what the camera is worth at retail (let's say $2000 for the purpose of discussion).

If the lenses sell for $10,000 add in the $2000 value of the M6 to get the total ($12,000). Your wife's half of the proceeds would be $6000 minus the M6's value, or $4000.

teddy
04-23-2018, 21:07
The man wants advice on what gear to buy. That's it.

Well my advice is:

For your M3 get a 50 Summicron, preferably a 50/2DR. Or a Type 3 or 4. Why? Because the DR is a classic suited to the M3, and the Type 3 and 4 are sharp for everything.

Then, buy a 90 Tele-Elmarit. Compact and sharp.

Then get a Summaron 35/2.8. Great with colour but mostly superb for black and white.

That's it. Then one day, save $5 to $10 bucks a week. Put them in a jar and in one or two years before you know it you will have enough money for an M2, M6 that will go well with your CV 35/2.5.

Summary: A Leica M3 with a 50 Summicron, 90 Tele-Elmarit, and a 35/2.8 Summaron.

Then slowly get an M2/M6 for your CV 35/2.5.

Perfect. Uncomplicated.

Fraser
04-24-2018, 00:01
Why do you not just keep using the M6ttl with the 35mm?

Chuffed Cheese
04-24-2018, 00:06
It's really too bad the Noctilux isn't available to keep.

noisycheese
04-24-2018, 11:10
It's really too bad the Noctilux isn't available to keep.

@Austin,

If you want the Noctilux and the entire kit is worth around $12K in value, perhaps you could keep the Noctilux and the M6 and then settle up with the estate for any amount that goes over your wife's half of the value of the kit?

Just a suggestion...

rfaspen
04-24-2018, 12:48
Thanks to all. This feedback is exactly what I was looking for; something that would help me distance myself from the process. At the request of my sister-in-law, I've provided a list of estimated prices (lowest price found and highest price found) for her to review and come up with her own thoughts and estimates. Based on some thoughtful advice from all of you, it's now out of my hands unless explicitly asked for help.

Also, as generous as my wife is being by offering me her half of the proceeds, I'm starting to agree that using it to purchase more equipment could create tension.... but maybe just one 50mm for the M3 wouldn't ruffle too many feathers.:D

Thanks,

Austin

But we remain quite confused of your precise situation....

As I said. Families can get really weird about this kind of thing. Its unfortunate and we don't know what your relationship is with them. I'd be careful.

Again, the way I understand the OP, you (your wife actually) inherited the M6TTL. Clearly, you should keep that because its an awesome film M camera, and you have $$ invested in it. That should be that.

As for the lenses. Once they all sell and there is a pile of money, your wife can do whatever she wants with her half. That should be that. So, if she wants to give you the $$ and you proceed to buy lenses, who the heck should care? That should be that.

As an aside, it seems a little cruel to have you deal with valuation and how to sell the gear. As I said before, you're probably better off with complete isolation from the whole deal -- as hard as it might be to watch "the family" flounder and potentially make mistakes. I don't envy that position. I find it hard to watch gear of known condition, that I would love to have, get pawned off by others who have no knowledge or interest, and are oblivious that you might actually appreciate the gear and the opportunity to do something nice for you.

Many people are selfish and ignorant (sorry, had to say it).

michaelwj
04-24-2018, 14:29
Dealing with a partner or spouse's family when it comes to settling estate matters is something I would say well away from. That gear doesn't belong to you, evidently your wife is only its custodian until the rest of the family weighs in ... so just forget about that. Forget about money from it too until a windfall comes "as if by accident."

Even when it's not your spouses family...

When my grandmother died (1983) she had a house and four children. My dad wanted to live in the house and offered to buy the other three children out of their share. It was valued independently (at about $200k) and he paid them their share. 20 years later and he sells the house for 900k and one of his siblings asks for the rest of their share since the house worth more now (1/4 of 900k less the original payment). It is now another 15 years later and the slighted sibling still will not talk to the other three. It caused so much pain in their family that my parents have decided that none of us children (there are four of us) will inherit any object with significant monetary value - it will all be sold and the money distributed evenly. If one of us wants to buy the house they can do it on the open market.

Anyway, moral of the story is inheritances are a PITA.

To the OP, best to steer clear and see what comes out in the wash. I think you're making the right choice in stepping back. In the end, it's only money. Family is priceless.

For specific advice: I'd sell the M3 and buy an M2 (could almost straight swap), use your 35 on the M2 and save up for a 50 and 90 (they are the cheapest focal lengths for Leica)

CK Dexter Haven
04-24-2018, 16:31
The original post was clear to me.

1) Assess whether you really need all of those focal lengths/lenses. Look at the images you've already made that give you the most satisfaction. Maybe concentrate on just one or two lenses. And do you really exploit the f1, and do you really want to carry that lens?

2) Decide whether the CV has been as good a performer as the Leica-branded stuff for the material you shoot and the way you use it. If Yes, don't bother spending thousands on that same glass. I once had a 50ASPH Summilux, a current 50 Summicron, a DR Summicron, and a Zeiss Planar. And then, later i bought a $40 Nikon 50mm Series E lens and preferred it to all of the above.

3) I would have suggested you try a Zeiss Ikon instead of an M6/MP, but you probably have your mind set on the Leica body.

4) Remember that none of the buying decisions you make now are permanent. And if you buy used gear, and take care of it, you can pretty much buy/sell with zero financial loss as you further experiment toward figuring out your eventual 'kit.'

traveler_101
04-24-2018, 23:39
I don't see any reason to give up the M6 you are now enjoying - the one that you have in your hand and have found perfect. Your wife (you) already owns half of it!

Let your sister-in-law set her fair price for the M6 and agree to give her and the family one half of that price from the proceeds of the sale of the rest of the equipment. Depending on the values of the lenses, you might be able to keep one of the lesser valued lenses as well - if you wish. No money need change hands and when the lenses sell the final adjustments can be made. One thing for sure is that you will walk out that arrangement with your M6.

David Hughes
04-25-2018, 02:08
Hi,

Let them sell it all and bid or buy anonymously...

Regards, David

Tompas
04-25-2018, 05:20
Hmm...

I think my wife's family would just give me the equipment, saying "Thomas, here's some photo stuff, maybe you can use it."

Then I'd sell the Noctilux (nobody wants a Noctilux, right?) and give them the money. But of course they would not take it.

(No, they are not rich. Just very nice.)

But I see the problem. There is an old German saying that goes: Bei Geld hört die Freundschaft auf. Roughly translated (by me): Money is where friendship stops. Or, according to dict.cc: A debt paid is a kept friend.

I have two M6 'classic', one with the standard finder, one with a 0.85 finder, and I like them both very much. But if I'd buy a camera today, it would be either a Fuji X100F or a X-Pro2 with one or two lenses.

mpaniagua
04-25-2018, 08:09
I hate that this is my first post to the forum, but I've been around reading for a while and generally appreciate the advice given out to folks.

With that said, I'm looking for some advice on what camera/lenses to buy. My wife inherited a M6ttl a while back and I've been using it for about a year now and love it. Unfortunately, her family has decided to sell the photography equipment which also includes:

Noctilux f1
90 Summicron APO
50 Lux V2
50 Elmar
28 Summicron ASPH

....

Thanks,

Austin

He is implying that the photography equipment (M6) also includes the lens. The equipment (along with the M6) was inherited to his wife and family, not just her.

Regards

Marcelo

edodo
05-25-2018, 22:39
Old thread but I'm would advise to sell your m3 too. Get an m6, summicron 35, a summarit 90mm, get a 21 super angulon 3.4 and be happy! Or switch the 35mm for a 50mm cron ... YMMV