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pepeguitarra
01-08-2018, 09:23
Through several years only, I have accumulated a number of cameras and lenses and need to get rid of some because I don't use them much. I started late in life with the second wave of photography, but I cannot handle it. I am enamored of medium format, but I have a ton of 35mm. Please help me decide what I should keep (all the cameras have been purchased recently, less than two years with CLA done for the manuals):
I have: M3, M2, M5, M6, M8U, and M9. I will never sell the M8u, but I may be open to sell the M9. I rather keep one film and maybe one digital. Thanks for your input.

Ko.Fe.
01-08-2018, 09:40
Sell your 35mm ton, sell all M and get M10.
Use MF for film, M10 for digital.

ptpdprinter
01-08-2018, 09:48
Not sure why you would never sell the M8. I'd much rather keep the M9 and not have to deal with the crop factor. As far as the film Ms go, which one do you like best?

madNbad
01-08-2018, 09:55
Sell your 35mm ton, sell all M and get M10.
Use MF for film, M10 for digital.

I have to agree. You would have an advanced full frame digital camera with no crop factor and free of any sensor problems. Selling the collection you have should raise enough funds and simplify which camera to use.

aizan
01-08-2018, 10:16
i agree with them. i'd keep my favorite film m, sell all of the other stuff, and get an m10.

Huss
01-08-2018, 10:18
The first camera I would get rid of out of that lot is the M8. Crop factor, small MB, will be a paperweight in the next couple o years when it fails as there are no parts for it.
Then I'd unload the M9 - same reasons as for the M8 but pushed a few years further.

The M240 is actually a rock solid camera, and cheap used now. Selling the M8 + M9 would get you one plus have $$ left over. Keep the M5, dump the rest.

stompyq
01-08-2018, 10:22
Keep the M6. Sell everything else. Especially those two dinosaurs (the M8 and M9). Go out and try/rent any of the top FF digitals from nikon/canon/fuji/sony. Then decide if you would buy a M10. But seriously sell the M8 and M9 at the least

B-9
01-08-2018, 10:25
I agree with KoFe,

Sell it all.

Get a M240 or M10 and leave the film for MF.

BillBingham2
01-08-2018, 10:26
I like the m8 and M9 for the M240.

What glass do you shoot with/intend to keep for the M world.

What sort of photography do you do these days? What film do you use? Do you develop it yourself or send it out?

B2 (;->

f16sunshine
01-08-2018, 10:28
If you're enamored by the M8 than remove it from the sell list.
I understand the love of the M8.
Personally I would also keep the M5 to run your 35mm film through.... my favorite M the M5. Some agree others don't.

Sell the rest. Conservatively you'll have $4000 in sales... maybe more.
Since you're a rangefinder user..Try a GF670 or Mamiya 6/7 as they are both RF's.
Two beautiful medium format rangefinders.

Good luck!
I'm making changes this year myself.
It's fine to trim down after establishing your best tools to progress the work!

Cheers

DwF
01-08-2018, 10:30
It is a balancing act between practical (sell M8 and M9) and emotional. I always value a camera by the images and events I have experienced or made with a particular camera. In that regard, both the M8, which I sold long ago for practical reasons, and M9 which I traded for my MM would be keepers. Any or all of these cameras are worthy of holding on to until they or I die. That said, there are always practical considerations that nag at me, and eventually win out!

Deardorff38
01-08-2018, 10:42
PPG, I also use medium format more, so i think i understand your quandry. I'd keep the film M that you like most. For me printing is an important part of the process & i got tired of great iPhone shots....so I got a Leica MP and it's with me when the med format is not. My heart has always been with the M2.....but really which one do you love? Same for the digital.

pepeguitarra
01-08-2018, 11:02
Thanks, so far I have lots of advice to study. The reason I like the M8u so much is the quality of the color, and the black and white itself. I have enough lenses to keep them all, about 7 50's, 4 35's, etc. I do develop my own film and scan it. However, I will start analog printing in a lab myself. I want to concentrate more in the old art of photography and try to produce some art, rather than document and testing, like I have been doing. My wife does a good job of documenting family affairs with the iPhone. I have the Pentax 6x7 and 645 MF film cameras, and the Rolleis. I want to keep only one Rollei, and one Pentax MF. I do want to stay away from digital because every year or every time there is a new model I would have to change or upgrade. I also have tons of UV/IR filters for the M8.

jsrockit
01-08-2018, 11:09
Through several years only, I have accumulated a number of cameras and lenses and need to get rid of some because I don't use them much. I started late in life with the second wave of photography, but I cannot handle it. I am enamored of medium format, but I have a ton of 35mm. Please help me decide what I should keep (all the cameras have been purchased recently, less than two years with CLA done for the manuals):
I have: M3, M2, M5, M6, M8U, and M9. I will never sell the M8u, but I may be open to sell the M9. I rather keep one film and maybe one digital. Thanks for your input.

M6 and M9 for me...

fenixv8
01-08-2018, 11:18
I have a M3 and a M10 and have owned a m8,m9 and M240.

I would definitely recommend what other folks have said. Sell everything keep your favourite film. and Purchase a M10. It will look closure to the look of the M8 than the M240.

Cheers

Axel
01-08-2018, 11:23
I would keep the M6 and keep or fund a full frame Digi of your choice.
Easy lens selection without attention for a crop factor.

Ko.Fe.
01-08-2018, 11:52
Thanks, so far I have lots of advice to study. The reason I like the M8u so much is the quality of the color, and the black and white itself. I have enough lenses to keep them all, about 7 50's, 4 35's, etc. I do develop my own film and scan it. However, I will start analog printing in a lab myself. I want to concentrate more in the old art of photography and try to produce some art, rather than document and testing, like I have been doing. My wife does a good job of documenting family affairs with the iPhone. I have the Pentax 6x7 and 645 MF film cameras, and the Rolleis. I want to keep only one Rollei, and one Pentax MF. I do want to stay away from digital because every year or every time there is a new model I would have to change or upgrade. I also have tons of UV/IR filters for the M8.

So, you are into the art with film MF and don't need any of film M and lenses, nor you need digital M. You just want to keep some of it unused.
Keep M8u and M6 then.

You will need money for art with MF. Would it be darkroom or else prints. Large paper is expensive. And chemicals, inks..
And it makes sense to art big from MF. :)

narsuitus
01-08-2018, 12:03
When I was in a similar position, I put everything on the market and then kept the one that did not sell.

Landberg
01-08-2018, 12:17
Keep the M5, sell the rest.

Fraser
01-08-2018, 12:22
Keep the M9 and if the M2 is black keep that if not keep the M6.

rfaspen
01-08-2018, 12:36
I can't do it. I tried to put myself in your shoes and decide which to keep and which to sell. I can't do it. I would have the easiest time selling the M8u (which I did at some point). I could also sell the M9 if it still has old sensor, but I would pick up an M240 in short order afterward. That would be OK: trade M8 and M9 for M240.

If you have other [non-Leica] 35mm film gear, maybe sell that? I'm trying very hard to start selling all my non-Leica 35mm film gear except the Nikon SLR stuff. That means many, many RFs, Pentax, Canon, OM, and Rollei SLRs, and plenty of other stuff I don't remember I have (hence the desire to address the problem). I always have difficulty getting rid of Leica though.

Matthew Runkel
01-08-2018, 12:42
Thanks, so far I have lots of advice to study. The reason I like the M8u so much is the quality of the color, and the black and white itself. I have enough lenses to keep them all, about 7 50's, 4 35's, etc. I do develop my own film and scan it. However, I will start analog printing in a lab myself. I want to concentrate more in the old art of photography and try to produce some art, rather than document and testing, like I have been doing. My wife does a good job of documenting family affairs with the iPhone. I have the Pentax 6x7 and 645 MF film cameras, and the Rolleis. I want to keep only one Rollei, and one Pentax MF. I do want to stay away from digital because every year or every time there is a new model I would have to change or upgrade. I also have tons of UV/IR filters for the M8.

Based on this, keep the M8u as your digital and reassess when/if you need to (no need to have an M10 for trouble-free full-frame shooting). M9 with the old sensor is not a good bet for an only digital body. If the M5 battery is is sorted to your liking, keep your preferred metered manual body; if not, keep the M6. Or keep the M3 instead if all you will shoot are 50s.

BillBingham2
01-08-2018, 12:44
You might want to about picking up a Fuji GS645W. To replace the 6x7 and 645. I think together with the Rollie and a film M you should be pretty well set for film.

You have so much glass I'd say keep the M5 and sell the rest.

Bank the money you get for everything you sell and buy the next digital M if you feel the need. From what it sounds like the M8 will do for your digital desires. Might think about a Fuji X-E3 with an M adapter. Think you might be surprised.

B2 (;->

giganova
01-08-2018, 13:09
i agree with them. i'd keep my favorite film m, sell all of the other stuff, and get an m10.

I would do the exact same.

ptpdprinter
01-08-2018, 13:28
I always have difficulty getting rid of Leica though.
They will keep you company in your old age.

retinax
01-08-2018, 13:37
If you want to focus on film and get a darkroom, sell both the digital Ms, they will be a distraction (If you want back into digital M in the future, better cameras will be cheaper!), get a compact instead if you need something to document with. Unless you need digital for low light or something. Which film M to keep depends on your preferred focal lengths.

rfaspen
01-08-2018, 14:49
They will keep you company in your old age.

In a way. They will satisfy my "collector mentality" without taking up too much space. I do expect my film Leicas to work well beyond my death and my son has just enough interest in photography (currently likes digital more than film) that he might appreciate them.

What I really need to do is clear out the large quantity of non-Leica gear I have accumulated over the years. I take in orphans, fall in love with oddities, inherit gear, and so on. Before I know it, I have a lot of gear. Its an easy thing to happen when you have "collector mentality". I wouldn't call myself a "hoarder" as I have a strong desire to keep my living situation clear and efficient (get rid of unnecessary things). I just like cameras and lenses and learn the history behind them and the unique or rare qualities of some of them, and well....I get hooked.

I admire the OP (pepeguitarra) for keeping life simple. Although...I think he has more than a few lenses??? :eek: Maybe that's next :D

Bille
01-08-2018, 15:12
Thanks for your input.

Unless you need the money, put them away in boxes for a couple weeks and see what you miss.

Personally, IŽd keep the M6 for film rather than M3 or M2, but this is highly subjective. The M8u is a nice camera and I hear it doesnŽt rot like the M9 does. (https://leicarumors.com/2017/05/15/leica-to-end-the-free-ccd-sensor-replacement-for-older-m9m9-pm-emonochrom-cameras-on-august-15th-2017.aspx/)

pepeguitarra
01-08-2018, 16:58
My M9 had the sensor changed about a year ago, maybe more. It is really nice camera. The M8u is a workhorse and had special rendition of B&W. The problem with selling he digitals is that I will not be able to recover 1/4 of what I paid for them. I rather keep them. The mechanical Ms appreciate in value more than the digitals.

pepeguitarra
01-08-2018, 17:02
In a way. They will satisfy my "collector mentality" without taking up too much space. I do expect my film Leicas to work well beyond my death and my son has just enough interest in photography (currently likes digital more than film) that he might appreciate them.

What I really need to do is clear out the large quantity of non-Leica gear I have accumulated over the years. I take in orphans, fall in love with oddities, inherit gear, and so on. Before I know it, I have a lot of gear. Its an easy thing to happen when you have "collector mentality". I wouldn't call myself a "hoarder" as I have a strong desire to keep my living situation clear and efficient (get rid of unnecessary things). I just like cameras and lenses and learn the history behind them and the unique or rare qualities of some of them, and well....I get hooked.

I admire the OP (pepeguitarra) for keeping life simple. Although...I think he has more than a few lenses??? :eek: Maybe that's next :D

I have been called a hoarder by relatives. I just retired and we are moving to a smaller place. My wife has this thing call Feng Shui, or something like that, that requires getting rid of things you do not use. Not fair. I have to sell my 17 guitars too.

jsrockit
01-09-2018, 04:01
I have been called a hoarder by relatives. I just retired and we are moving to a smaller place. My wife has this thing call Feng Shui, or something like that, that requires getting rid of things you do not use. Not fair. I have to sell my 17 guitars too.

What is she getting rid of on her end?

narsuitus
01-09-2018, 05:27
What is she getting rid of on her end?

Her husband?

noisycheese
01-09-2018, 06:22
Through several years only, I have accumulated a number of cameras and lenses and need to get rid of some because I don't use them much. I started late in life with the second wave of photography, but I cannot handle it. I am enamored of medium format, but I have a ton of 35mm. Please help me decide what I should keep (all the cameras have been purchased recently, less than two years with CLA done for the manuals):
I have: M3, M2, M5, M6, M8U, and M9. I will never sell the M8u, but I may be open to sell the M9. I rather keep one film and maybe one digital. Thanks for your input.

If it were me, I would keep the M3 and sell everything else to buy an M10 with the proceeds.

willie_901
01-09-2018, 06:35
Sell your 35mm ton, sell all M and get M10.
Use MF for film, M10 for digital.

I too vote for this option.

Should the M8u LCD screen fai,l it's game over.

pepeguitarra
01-09-2018, 07:01
What is she getting rid of on her end?

That is the problem she got rid of everything except the luggage. We are suppose to travel...... Santiago querido is among those destinations, btw. But I need my small camera for traveling.

css9450
01-09-2018, 07:39
I have: M3, M2, M5, M6, M8U, and M9.

What, no M4? Tell your wife you need an M4.

Huss
01-09-2018, 07:43
Keep it real. Dump everything and get an M1

pepeguitarra
01-09-2018, 07:53
Keep it real. Dump everything and get an M1 Do you have one for sale, with the RF on it?


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4120/4857030998_f18557f227_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/8pcy6L)Leica M1 (https://flic.kr/p/8pcy6L) by K. Besios (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vilsonius/), on Flickr

Hi Huss; I am in O.C., I am going to have to stop in Venice to chat about it.

David Hughes
01-09-2018, 09:07
Hi,

Well, um, she's into this Feng Shui and you've no objections so in return you should be allowed to be into photography, camera collecting or whatever...

Regards, David

PS Keep the M2 and M9 and keep the M9 coded lenses as they will work with both.

Darthfeeble
01-09-2018, 09:19
Why sell anything? I could understand if you needed the money or if they were taking up room that you HAD to have for something else or the wife is threatening to leave you over it but other than that, why??? I've never understood the "I'm not using it" rationale. Then there are all those comments that regret selling it. Keep them in a secure dry area and every once in a while excercise them. The good stuff will just get more valuable for your children.

benlees
01-09-2018, 09:31
Ko.Fe nailed it in the second post, though I would keep one film M.

Keep in mind just because you use digital doesn't mean you have to upgrade to the latest brand new piece of kit. Buy a used M10.

Godfrey
01-09-2018, 09:37
I regularly sell off equipment I am not using ... I just don't like it cluttering up my closets and storage cabinets. Or my mind... :D

Anyway: I'm not you so it is hard to recommend what to keep or sell as if I were you. For me, though, it's been about a half year or more since I exposed any film other than Polaroid, and of the digital cameras I haven't already sold off, only the Leica M-D 262 has gotten any real use. The M-D, to me, is special because it's the closest thing in use to a film M that any digital camera can be. All of the shooting benefits of a digital camera with none of the distractions. So, right now, I could easily say "dump everything but your favorite M and your lenses, that's enough for anyone." But I'd recommend upgrading to a newer digital M (M10, M-D, M typ 240, etc) because the M8 and M9 are probably the most fraught cameras Leica has produced in decades.

BTW: That's no reflection on Leica ... it just points out how difficult it was to build a digital version of the M. Remember that as of 2003-2004, Leica was still saying they weren't sure it was even possible. The technology of digital sensors has advanced tremendously since the M8 and M9 ... Far as I'm concerned, the M typ 240 was really the first camera that realized the digital M goal. The typ 262 and M10 go nicely, incrementally, beyond that.

agoglanian
01-09-2018, 10:28
I did something similar late last year but I shoot far more 35mm film than I do medium format. I do still have my Hasselblad though and use it when the moment is appropriate.

I kept my M-A and sold everything else and purchased an M10 new. The pair is perfect for me and I'm quite happy with it. However I went even further and centralized on one lens as well (for this year, I may add more in the future). I like the freedom it affords me and keeps me from trying to fret over what equipment to use.

I think you're on the right path though, unless you specifically want to collect cameras, there isn't a huge reason to keep so many around.

jsrockit
01-09-2018, 10:36
I regularly sell off equipment I am not using ... I just don't like it cluttering up my closets and storage cabinets. Or my mind... :D

This seems to be the dividing line... some get overwhelmed by having too much and some don't. I've always been the type that can't have a lot of equipment laying around that I don't use (even if I don't need the money). Some of my friends can have tons and have no problem with it not being in use.

David Hughes
01-10-2018, 01:28
Another interesting dividing line is those who are happy with what they have and those lusting after the latest manifestation.

As I see it anyone happy with the M film cameras should be happy with the M9, which has a few more facilities that are unique to digital, yet they all want more and that will make the film M's seem old and obsolescent...

Regards, David

Ko.Fe.
01-10-2018, 07:25
I'm happy with what I have, because I have no money to be even more happier :)
Even if I sell M-E, M3 and all M lenses, still no money for M10.

So, I agree with David. :) M9 line or even M8 feels on pair with film M. ISO 3200 results looks very identical and so is minimalist handling, functionalities.

But If I'll have half-a-dozen M then I'll be with Godfrey and Abram :)

Bill Blackwell
01-17-2018, 19:07
i agree with them. i'd keep my favorite film m, sell all of the other stuff, and get an m10.
+1
There's no chance I'd keep any M8 today (10mp cropped sensor and IR-Cut filters). And IMHO the M10 far out classes the M9 with better dynamic range and image capacity.

Fixcinater
01-17-2018, 19:39
Out of your list, I would be most interested in keeping the M3 and M9 (or sell that and get as new of digital as you can), and a 35/50/long lens for them to share, or maybe two 50s so you can keep a lens on both and have a "character/interesting" option and a straight/modern option.

Bring the M3 out when you want to bring one camera, throw the M9/M10/whatever in a bag with the P67 and get an entirely different view.

Work to 35mm's strengths, when you choose to use it.



Good luck with the process, I'm going through a similar clearing/rationalization of my 35mm collection and it's tougher than I thought.

Jdsegra
01-21-2018, 18:28
What, no M4? Tell your wife you need an M4.

I think this guy is on to something..

Phil_F_NM
01-21-2018, 18:38
Sell it all.
Use that money to buy 120 film and a ticket to somewhere you've never been.

Phil Forrest

mkvrnn
03-22-2018, 05:54
Maybe this is the wrong place to say this, but unless you love old cameras for their mechanical charm (which I do), just sell them all and buy a good modern digital - and I don't mean a Leica.

If you really want a film camera to actually use occasionally in preference to your digital, then 35mm is not a sensible choice because most digital cameras are better in every way. Medium or larger film formats still have some advantages over digital for certain applications.

There, that should have upset a few people.

brennanphotoguy
03-22-2018, 06:16
What did you end up doing? I'd definitely unload everything except an M3 or M2 and get an M10. It sounds like you've got way too many lenses too. You should definitely sell that M8 and M9 first though. If you sold all that stuff and narrowed it down to 1 or 2 50s and 1 or 2 35s and 1 of each other FL you have that you actually use you could get an M10 and Mamiya 6 or 7 and be all set.